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post Oct 19 2024, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 19 2024, 05:34 PM)
If government main aim to keep more $$$ in EPF

Then they should raise the yearly self contribution limit of 100k to at least 150k or even 200k 😁
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200k syiok lor.. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 19 2024, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 19 2024, 06:08 PM)
maybe to counter those no pay themselves salary but earn dividends tax free... now kena ?
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I think that's the intent...
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post Oct 20 2024, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 20 2024, 07:41 AM)
Once Pandora box opened. It will only get worse.
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By then we long gone la....
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post Oct 20 2024, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 19 2024, 07:58 PM)
On the matter of the 2% tax on dividends, thd many discussions here focus solely on the member's dividends.

Think deeper. What about EPF's dividends from their investments!
What will happen if gov applies to these dividends going into EPF!
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With limited situational facts, given the 2% on dividends...assuming on EPF, that 2% translated to 0.1% actual reduction of dividends received.

RM 2,000,000.00 EPF at 5% dividends giving RM 100,000.00
Less 2% netting you RM 98,000.00
Nett you only have 4.9% dividends.

I stand corrected on the calculation
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post Oct 20 2024, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 20 2024, 04:53 PM)
THERE"S NO 2% tax on EPF dividend lah....

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Yes I know… my earlier posting was directed to those in earlier discussion that worry of how the 2% impact if EPF is not excluded.
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post Oct 23 2024, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 23 2024, 09:13 AM)
Malaysia parents having doubt on the new EPF intergenerational wealth transfer scheme to children account 😏

https://asianews.network/malaysian-parents-...drens-accounts/
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The comments from all these interviewed folks like a bunch of whiny immature bunch.

It's an option for the kwsp member. It's not a must.

If you can't trust your offspring, then you only have yourself to be blamed.

If you don't want it from your parent, then don't take it. Decline by all means.

I wonder how legit all these news contents and supposedly interviewed folks. It's like to spin some narratives...

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post Oct 23 2024, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Oct 23 2024, 01:31 PM)
Wonder why some of these article say always have these experts say there must be a cap on the contributions so not to be taken advantage by the rich.

Define rich and define how they taken advantage and have many financial means?
Or are they expecting EPF to shrink in size and hence will have better return as all these rich contributors are capped?

Do tell as I always ponder on such expert logic.
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post Nov 3 2024, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 2 2024, 10:05 PM)
yup... different strokes for different folks... for risk averse and zero interest with investments... epf is superior...
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Indeed... when you reaches the desired state/numbers at certain age, one will shift to capital preservation mode, especially for those that risk averse.

Some aggressive folks may label such as cukup makan la, tidak apa.... but for me... while not everything in EPF, it does hold a largest split, EPF auto cruise dividend disbursement is like a monthly gaji buta when one hit retirement.... and if you withdraw less than the dividends, it is as if you have salary increment annually.... while still have all the epf key value....and I'm not greedy.....just hope it stay above 4% biggrin.gif

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post Nov 11 2024, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 10 2024, 11:45 PM)
Janji don't withdraw then ok
Increments 10% overkill
Maybe 5% realistic
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At 5% annual increment with 5% EPF dividend, in 25yrs you have 1M with starting pay of 4350.

If one work from 25, he will have 1M at 50.

If he/she delay that gratification to 60yrs old he have 2.3M in EPF.

This exclude any extra contribution, other investment etc.

Problem is people can’t wait and buy in the BS EPF cheating la, scam la etc. since you withdraw it’s not your money and I want it now. The same old BS silly shat we hear from all these fools

This post has been edited by gamenoob: Nov 11 2024, 11:20 AM
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post Nov 11 2024, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 11 2024, 03:56 PM)
can we project with minimum pay of RM1750, dividend 5%, increment 5%
work till how man years before reaching RM1.0M?
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36.5 yrs
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post Nov 11 2024, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 11 2024, 05:58 PM)
i see many ppl talk about saving lotsa money before buying house, but perhaps the property u r after will only get significantly more expensive as time passes? time = opportunity
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You are right....
Honestly, such mechanics is no longer as easy as 2-3 decades ago where house prices was much more reasonable. Most house prices has gone up 3-4x last 20yrs and quite steep of ramping up too.

One now should aim for wip or prima housing as starter. First house unlikely to be forever home so start somewhere small but such are not cool....for the young gen nowadays

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post Nov 12 2024, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 11 2024, 10:15 PM)
if every quarter we say investment income jump 10% will do la..
but how come when give us the dividend cannot even reach 6%
now say comparing last year 2023 vs this year 2024, again say investment income jump by 20% so does it means we will get at least 10% dividend?
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It's realised return for depositor dividends.... not just reported for the quarter
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post Nov 13 2024, 01:09 PM

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Can one shift between back and forth between conventional or shariah after a certain tenure or its a permanent thing?
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post Nov 13 2024, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 13 2024, 05:33 PM)
Logical points 👌

conventional one already so long... Even before independence time...  Not forgetting it's size is wayy bigger... Can withstand outside shocks if anything happens... Remember got guarantee 2.5% thingy in hand... Useful in hard times
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Shariah no 2.5% guarantee? shocking.gif

Like that conventional for the win... all the way

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post Nov 18 2024, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Nov 18 2024, 09:20 AM)
salary ceiling for a engineer almost non existent.... by mid 40 to 50 should have take home minimum rm20k

off shore rm80k
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See.... who say MY not high income earner.... biggrin.gif
And yet we have so many kpkb about not enough money, whining on fuel subsidy, ....

So maybe the govt is smartened up with all their data's and know the pain and cut is at...

Back to the point if topic, it's almost intentional if unable to hit RM1m after 30 yrs working....
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post Nov 19 2024, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Nov 18 2024, 01:05 PM)
having no or very high ceiling doesn't mean that everyone is a high income earner...

at the end, it is still back to how much each one of us trust the stats provided by gov... ie the B,M,T classifications.
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The point is that there are high paying job out there, and the limit is one self... the issues never end and many countries facing it... on how to sustain retirement living

As for stats from Government on BMT, I resign to the fact that, you need to prepare for such inevitable outcome. Fuel subsidy is borrowed time, combined with relatively low tax rate, its a matter of time. Anyway, we digress...

We won't know how the mechanism of such... even if we know... you may not like or agree to it....

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post Nov 19 2024, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Nov 18 2024, 01:16 PM)
I uses this calculator all the time. Very good.

You should try the Saving Calculators instead of the Compound interest calculator as you can also do the withdrawal calculation to do estimate how long the funds last...
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post Nov 20 2024, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Nov 20 2024, 02:20 PM)
until 100? now that is the real lottery, assuming healthy and can move about independently until age 100.
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The fact that you can enjoy such investment beyond 75 on virtually risk free on your capital and still functioning as pseudo saving ATM... it's pretty damn good la
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post Nov 23 2024, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Nov 23 2024, 12:31 PM)
Yeah..im now eligible for that 50 withdrawal, but so far I never withdraw anything from epf. Not for housing, not for covid emergency etc. For me epf is for retirement..thats it.
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With this attitude, you also won't be touching it when you hit 55. rclxms.gif

You will be very excited to see your principal growing with dividends annually... biggrin.gif

And be a money hoarder... a good thing

Unlike you... I'm guilty of making several withdrawal for my houses to settled loan in 5yrs each. sweat.gif

But house prices gain much that I make more plus other investments which I need some fluidity. Maxing out the annual self contribution after I hit 50 and gotten wiser ever since with so many experienced folks on this thread on their thoughts. Partly redeeming my sin of earlier withdrawal tongue.gif ...

Moving forward not looking to touch the principle if I can.... only living off the dividends...

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post Nov 24 2024, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Nov 24 2024, 02:59 PM)
Naah..I dont think Im epf hoarder.

For example, I dont self contribute to epf except minimum amount for tax. This balance out I never withdrawing anything so far and allowing full compounding.  Right now I prefer to diversify away any extra savings. Also yolo life more, I worked and saved so hard in the past.Time to enjoy the fruits.

And I do plan to withdraw epf upon retirement, which my target being 55-56 yo.
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Either way it’s good la. You obviously have all the plan thought out and your 3.5M EPF will be a great tidy sum on top of your overall portfolios.

I presume your withdrawal is staggered over a long period or you plan to move it all to something else?

This post has been edited by gamenoob: Nov 24 2024, 06:57 PM

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