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post Jul 15 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 15 2013, 10:34 AM)
I see, yes I've heard of Dr. Norton's PHAT, but 5 working days in a week is a bit too packed for me as I can only allocate 3-4 days at most in a week, since I work till 7pm, and on some days I have to work OT, while I try to take at least 1 weekend day off. I understand the concern about muscle imbalance, but I've been training for close to 2+ years now and I'm quite confident in maintaining unilateral muscular balancing, because I usually do db bench presses, shoulder presses, curls etc instead of doing bilateral movements. I'm also a fan of the Hammer Strength machines  tongue.gif

So muscular imbalance issues aside, would you say that the original 5x5 or the modified version posted above is more effective in helping me to gain strength that the original routine promised, while at the same time gain some shape around the areas not directly targeted by the original routine?  blush.gif
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Erm, I don't think that you got the real issue of muscle imbalance here. It is not the 'left side smaller than the right side' issue but more of 'front delts is bigger than rear delts' issue. Left side is smaller than the right side is not a big issue and most coaches will just let it go slide as the bigger the muscle, the less difference it will have.

The issue with 'front delts is bigger than rear delts' can cause problem with posture (hunches, weird arch), high chances of injuries, etc2. For the normal SL5x5, what I can say is that doing OHP will work on the front and side delts but there are no exercises that will train the rear delt which will cause the muscle imbalance.

IIRC, there was a thread in bb.com created by Babylover regarding this kind of muscle imbalance for Starting Strength and he modified SS heavily. You might want to read it out.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 15 2013, 01:05 PM)
Oh, yeah I totally got that wrong. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=135564721 is this the thread you were talking about? My rear delts are noticably weaker than my front delts so I've been doing FST-7 from time to time on my rear delts to strengthen them. Thanks for all the advice man.  biggrin.gif
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Yeah man. That's the thread. He discussed a great length about the muscle imbalance that comes from doing all compound movements only routine. NP.
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post Jul 16 2013, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(VaLeNrUdOn @ Jul 16 2013, 02:28 PM)
does keto diet of high fat low carbs cause constipation? it has been debated between a few nutritionist but i've never really tried it so i dunno..
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If you don't eat them vegetables, yes. You need them fibre to make sure you can do your business with ease. That's why on Keto, the fibre doesn't count as carbs intake.
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post Jul 16 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Kaffatsum @ Jul 16 2013, 02:43 PM)
Any recommendations on a 4-day split?
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This link might comes in handy for you. 6 days, 5 days, 4 days split all can be found here.
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post Jul 16 2013, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(VaLeNrUdOn @ Jul 16 2013, 02:49 PM)
oh is it!! that's news to me..biggrin.gif..so u can pack on vege without considering their macros? that would be great man. on keto, i get hungry all the time..
i just found out from a doc that Keto diets are used to stabilize patients having fits. that's something huh.
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NOPE.
A 100g of spinach contains 4g of carb in which 2g of that carbs are fibre. So you would only need to take account the 2g of carbs into the carb quota of 50g.
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post Jul 16 2013, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jul 16 2013, 04:35 PM)
Guys, I'm having a routine as follows. Just did my pulling yesterday, but I felt great today (newbie). So I'm wondering if it's okay for me to do my push day today and legs tomorrow followed by an offday after legs. Then start off again on pull.

Pulling (Back/Biceps/Deadlift)
off
Pushing (Chest/Shoulders/Triceps)
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Lower Body (Legs)

to

Pulling (Back/Biceps/Deadlift)
Pushing (Chest/Shoulders/Triceps)
Lower Body (Legs)
off
Pulling (Back/Biceps/Deadlift)
Pushing (Chest/Shoulders/Triceps)
Lower Body (Legs)
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Why don't you have a look at PHUL from Brandon Campell in youtube. It's Power Hypertrophy Upper and Lower. Maybe if you want to try some new things.
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jul 16 2013, 05:04 PM)
Thanks man. However, I would like to stay on my current routine but wondering if I could switch up the frequency of the workout up a notch. Not permanently (maybe until I hit a plateau) but was wondering since I felt great today after my yesterday's workout.
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Hurm, if you think that you can train 6 days a week, why not. But remember, the last day of your training will be on Sunday and you'll train again on Monday without any rest in between. If you can do it, why not.
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post Jul 24 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Jul 24 2013, 10:48 AM)
Actually, is "squat" really important because at the same time i understand that it has the rather same effect as doing the leg press but it's much more beneficial to the body (spine) where the leg press can't give?
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Leg Press =/= Squat. Squat is more technical and form is very important and take years to master. Do leg press cater the neutrality of spine when it is being performed? Nope. Do you bother arching your back, chest out, go parallel or below parallel, leading with butt, knees out and open during leg press? Nope. You just push the platform, bring it down and repeat for as many times as you can.

There are a lot of people who can leg press 1000lbs but those same people cannot squat 1000lbs. Heck, I don't think leg press have carry over to squat, if they do, West Side Barbell surely have a leg press machine.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jul 24 2013, 01:57 PM)
Charles Poliquin and a lot of strength coaches recommend the leg press. Sometimes certain people really cannot squat due to biomechanics, injury, preference. What's the problem? It's not a must but it's an awesome lift tho.
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Owh that's not what I mean as it is a must. I know there are some people that bio-mechanically can squat, or they just having a hard time doing squat (like a friend of mine). I'm just mentioning that squat is way more harder than leg press where there are a lot of aspects that need to be fine tune in order to get the perfect form for a great squat number, hence making it far more superior than what leg press can offer.

AND I agree with you being squat is awesome. People do brag about their squat poundage because it is just plain hard to do them correctly and heavily.
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QUOTE(XyzionzX @ Jul 26 2013, 03:12 PM)
liposuction? mind to elaborate?
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You need to be feed much don't you?
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QUOTE(XyzionzX @ Jul 26 2013, 03:58 PM)
newbie....
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Being newbie doesn't mean that you have a license to ask anything without having to do some research before. I was a newbie yet I don't ask other forumers here to clarify everything.

Btw, maybe this could elaborate what liposuction is.

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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jul 26 2013, 08:43 PM)
I seldom get muscle aches or soreness a day after a workout, isit because my workout is wrong OR i have been undergoing a good recovery? It feels like if i do biceps on monday, i'm able to do biceps again on tuesday. Lol. My typical workouts are for example, back and biceps day, i'll do 6 back exercises and 3 biceps, 3 set each, weight increase, cardio acceleration ( cardio in between rest period ). I lift as heavy as i can too, 12 rep, 10 rep, 8 rep. My current supplements are fish oil, tonalin CLA, whey protein and BCAAs. Thanks.
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A few things you can consider here.

1. You have a good recovery. Tons of protein in your diet (according to your journal) + BCAA do helps.
2. Maybe your training ain't enough, less intensity, low volume.

Like me, whenever I train my favourite bodyparts which are the legs and back, I will almost always get the DOMS on the next day. Sometimes, the DOMS subsides within 2 days. Biceps? Well, I can train it 5 days a week because I don't train my biceps as hard as my legs. Maybe that's the reason.
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QUOTE(AmmoShaf @ Jul 27 2013, 06:02 AM)
Just start hitting the gym for 2 days. As I'm not having any friends or trainer to advice I think I might doing many exercise wrongly. As example, yesterday when I'm doing biceps, today instead of feeling the pain at muscles, I felt the pain at the joint between bicep and forearm. I try to get some guidance from someone in the gym, but they are busy doing their stuff, so I don't want to disturb them too much. I'm totally a newbie, I don't even know the machines names. I know I can learn many things online, but it is totally different when I practically doing it at the gym. I guess I'm not that type of fast learner when it comes to this.

After finished working out, I talked to this one guy(looks experience to me) seeking for his advice on what can I do. So he start asking me whether I want to bulk up a lot or just getting some shape to my body. As my body is normal to skinny(athletic) type, I said to him I want to bulk up a bit and then having some shape. Then he gives me some advice including regularly workout 5 times per week, discipline, concentrate when working out, and don't give up early when I can't see result in 2 or 3 months. I understand that things, but before this I read some articles provide by Sifu DL regarding workout planner for newbies and in a week, one should only working out 3 times. Actually I'm looking for some advice from many experience sifu here, how do I start? I don't want to make that no trainer and friends thing as an excuse to not working out. But at the same time I don't want hurt my body by doing something wrong.
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If you can find a training partner in your gym that teaches you the basic, that would be very good. Ask them to train you for couple of weeks about exercises, correct form, best training practices etc. But if you don't managed to find one, don't worry. There are a lot of video on youtube that teaches about workout exercises and you just need to find the good one. Few youtube channel that worth mentioning are BrandonCampbell, ScottHermanFitness, PhysiqueOfGreatness, Luimarco. Those are a few channels that can provide you with good advices.

Apart from training, there are another 2 things that you need to know. 1st is about resting and it's quite simple, just have enough rest to recover from your training. The 2nd one is nutrition and this is the most hardest part but you need this in order to achieve your goal. Without proper nutrition, doesn't matter if you spent 2 hours in the gym for 7 days a week, you might not seeing any or just minimal gains.
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QUOTE(shaunhsc @ Jul 27 2013, 12:46 PM)
Pog and not matt ogus?!! tongue.gif
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Truth to be told, I hardly gain much knowledge from Matt Ogus. With his current arrogant attitude, that makes me more sick about him. Well, it's just my opinion.
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QUOTE(AmmoShaf @ Jul 27 2013, 01:09 PM)
So, if i workout 5times per week also, it does not affect my muscles growth? Because previously someone said I need 3 important things when I want to build muscles 1)workout 2)food & nutrition 3)rest .

>>I'm the one who said it so obviously I will said no, it will not effect your muscle growth. The rest part means that you need to have adequate sleep in order to let your muscle to recover. If you are going to the gym 5 times a week but you train different muscle group on each day (Leg on Monday, Chest on Tuesday, etc), you are giving each muscle group at least 6 days of rest. Enough to recover.

I try to check youtube before, but when i'm in gym, the situation is different, i can't follow the technique except if someone is there to guide me.

>> If you want it really badly, you need to do it. Or you can just pay someone to coach you. For me, I don't have much money to afford a coach so I learn all the technique myself. Take a vid of yourself doing the exercises then compared it at home. Btw, I started with Stronglift 5x5, all compound exercises.

As for the rest part, that is the reason i ask is it okay if i workout frequently which means i will have less rest and afraid my muscles growth will be slower. And, do you think i should take supplement now or just workout first and take the supplement later? btw, thanks a lot bro. or sis?  notworthy.gif
>> Refer to the 1st point above.
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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jul 27 2013, 01:41 PM)
I really push up to the point where i'm unable to lift anymore. Lol. Always hit the perfect 6 or 8 reps for my last set, with slight assistance.
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How could you push yourself to the limit when you are ending your last set with perfect 6 to 8 reps? Try to go for failure for the last exercises for the bodypart.
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QUOTE(kubuk @ Jul 28 2013, 12:25 AM)
I like Ogus. He earned to right to be arrogant you know. At least he's not douchey like jeff seid. Watch them for the entertainment. They are just bodybuilding trolls. Got to love Chris Lavado's conditioning. So sick that you'll be questioning if he's still natty or not.
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Well, just like what I said, it's just my opinion. Sure, he got the right to brag but that takes him far away from the 'group' of youtube fitness channel. Right now, Ogus are alone while PoG have OmarIsuf, ElliotHusle, Marc 'Machine' Lobliner and much more. If the other youtube fitness channel ain't like Ogus much, there's must be a reason behind it.

Owh btw, I watched Ogus competition pic between 2011 and 2013 (the comparison vid that he made) and tbh with ya, there aren't much different. Other youtubers also commenting the same.
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QUOTE(potemkin @ Jul 28 2013, 01:19 PM)
Any good substitutes for Barbell Rows ?

I'm thinking of ditching them in favor of machines or cable rows as i can't feel it hitting my back much and the stress it has on my lower back.

Tried following a few instructions online but it just feels uncomfortable for me
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Do you pull using your forearm?
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QUOTE(potemkin @ Jul 28 2013, 01:38 PM)
Don't really get this part , but i do pull my lats back first then pull it up with my fore-arms. Still don't feel anything in my back , mostly on my arms and shoulders.
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That's where you are wrong. You shouldn't even been pulling using your forearm and even biceps. You should be using them lats. If you are using the forearms to pull, then obviously you don't use your lats. It's not pulling using the forearm and biceps and hoping that it engage your lats but it should be vice versa. Pull with your lats then the forearm and biceps will take some of the weight.

I could do the barbell rows using the empty bar while holding it using my fingers and only use my lats to do the exercise, no forearm and no biceps. Even at 165lbs I do managed to eliminate the use of the forearm.

What you can do is:

1. Use wraps to hold the bar. This could eliminate the use of forearm.
2. Pull using the elbow.
3. Use lighter weight. I've deload my barbell poundage couple of times instead of just up the poundage eventhough I can just because that I felt that I've started to use other muscle group to lift the weight.
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QUOTE(potemkin @ Jul 28 2013, 01:19 PM)
Any good substitutes for Barbell Rows ?

I'm thinking of ditching them in favor of machines or cable rows as i can't feel it hitting my back much and the stress it has on my lower back.

Tried following a few instructions online but it just feels uncomfortable for me
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A good video for you to learn about Lats.


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QUOTE(adix4 @ Aug 13 2013, 10:16 PM)
bought fat gripz

did it for warm up for pull upz, rows, deadz and heavy hammer curlz. Basically for pulling stuff for warming up and not work sets ( except for pull upz and hammer curlz )
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How's the verdict? How's the forearm pump?

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