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post Jun 19 2013, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 19 2013, 08:26 PM)
Guys, is it normal to have little to no gain in the first 3 months of lifting?

My segmental lean did not gain on any body parts, my right and left leg dropped some 0.5kg. Though strangely I did noticed the size of my thighs grew bigger.

I've read that first 3-6 months of lifting is not really to gain muscle but to teach my body to work properly (strength gain) ?

I did dropped 2% of body fat. (still at 25%)

Since I have high body fat %, I figured that I don't really need much caloric surplus (correct me if I'm wrong). And my diet consists of everything high protein, meat eggs milk.
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What is the most important thing to do to gain muscle?

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post Jun 19 2013, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 19 2013, 10:57 PM)
form ? strength ? rest? protein?

or

patience
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Calories @ food. If you don't gain muscle, you eat more. It's that simple. I read another post from you at another thread and at 1500 calorie maintenance per day, that is for male children's level.
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post Jun 19 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 19 2013, 11:02 PM)
I understand that people need to have a caloric surplus for the cell/tissue/fiber repair. People would bulk until 20% or so of body fat before cutting again. I get that. The thing is, I started with 25% of body fat.

Can the body utilize excess fat on my body for the cell/tissue/fiber repair process to gain muscle? I did read about this and got a mixed bag response (though many agreed that it's possible with 20+% of body fat).

I've been maintaining 1500 calories for quite a while and only lost around 1kg or so within 3 months. I think it's pretty much my maintenance already.
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So what is you current priorities here? You are at 25%bf and you want to gain muscle mass or you want to lose those bf%? You want to gain muscle mass yet you want to keep the bf% stagnant? Nope, you can't do that. How ever clean is your bulking, you'll get that bf% increase no matter what.
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 19 2013, 11:37 PM)
My priorities are not to have a surplus and gain muscle mass. To be clearer, I only don't want the BF% to go any higher than current. I've been told that my body doesn't know how to differentiate calories. Either from food or stored excess fat. So what I wanted is actually possible (so they say).

But back to my actual question, is it normal to have little to no muscle gain in the first 3 months of lifting? Though poundages are going up (strength gain?).

Thanks anyway for your input. smile.gif I guess I need more time to get an answer myself.
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If you do read more on nutrition, you'll know that you need calorie surplus to gain mass. You've tried 6 months of eating at calorie maintenance and you gain no muscle mass at all. I don't think that you need a clearer proof to that 2nd part that I've bolded that what you have been told is wrong.

You know, there are a lot of what people says out there. Feels free to take whatever they said but when you have tested yourself the theory that people out there have said and it fail, you need to move on. No point of keep trusting what they say and what you've read but you gain nothing from it.
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 20 2013, 12:22 AM)
Thanks for the input. It's actually only been 3 months. But I'll take my chances and try out another 3 months. If I got the same result, I'll start switching a diet with surplus.  notworthy.gif
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Trust me man. You should at least able to see the result within 2 weeks for muscle gain because of the newb effects. If you don't see any result in 3 months, you won't be seeing any result within the next 3 months. Heck, you strength gain will also hampered. You even lose bf% while on your current calorie intake.

Why don't you try this, consume more than 1500kcal for 2 weeks, see whether you'll gain any muscle mass. Then if not, you can go back to test your previous theory. 2 weeks ain't that long compared to 3 months no? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 20 2013, 12:52 AM)
Good stuff. I'll go do research on what good carb source to consume for a nice surplus. Do you still have surplus on your off days ? Or it doesn't matter?
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Sure do that. 2 weeks, not a long time to do some experiment right? biggrin.gif

If I'm on cutting plan, I would have a 7 days of calorie deficit, same goes if I have a bulking plan. Even if I'm having a cheat day, those cheat meal must be within my caloric requirement. That's how you stay true towards your goal thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 20 2013, 12:58 AM)
Good info bro. Will go get some food porn. Thanks man. Will revert with results, will try.
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NP at all. Do update once the 2 weeks period have ended biggrin.gif
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post Jun 24 2013, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 24 2013, 01:48 AM)
Guys, I've been advised by bro Alien9 that I'm not eating enough which causes me to not gaining much mass from my 3 months of lifting.

I'm chugging more food now, having that 500 surplus or so per day.

What bothers me is this, I've had some readings on my body and it said that I have around 25% of body fat on me. Do I still bulk? (deep down inside I think I should cut).

I should add that I might be resting too much between sets. I'll try upping my intensity. I was adding weight to my lifts but not gaining mass. I guess hypertrophy is not happening in my workout.
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I guess it's gonna be awkward for me to comment here tongue.gif

1. Strength gain =/= muscle gain to a certain limit. You can still gain strength if you are not in calorie surplus but you can't gain hypertrophy is a non calorie surplus environment. That is why I advise you about it earlier on.

2. Choose your goal. Pick either bulking or cutting but non of those two because it have opposite objective. If you feel that you need muscle mass, do bulking but do remember that you'll gain fat along the way. If you feels that your 25% bf is a huge number for you, do cutting. Pick a goal, pick a phase.

3. Pick a goal either gain muscle mass or lose the 25%. Pick either one, choose the phase. You are currently have two objectives that are opposite of each other. Yes, you can do both of them tbh and it's called recomp but even Mikehuan said he got little clue about it (he is much more senior than me here).


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QUOTE(ahdc79 @ Jun 24 2013, 03:04 PM)
I totally agree with alien9, choose either one... As for myself i have just joined 2months back.. now on cutting..BF dropped, so did muscle mass. as i am on calorie deficiet.
not a surprise.. but muscle mass has a proportional relation to fat %
no rush on bulking, but would like to cut till 16 or 18% BF.
i combine cardio and weight training, to tone up and loose weight.

i would say bulking is harder then cutting, that is why u see many forumers here on bulking not on cutting.
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You should try to have not so much of calorie deficit or you'll burn more than you bf. 10%-20% calorie deficit is the safe range. More than that, you'll lose muscle mass as per what happened to you.
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Jun 24 2013, 04:45 PM)
I'm going to take somewhat a mixed approach. I'm gonna have a surplus and up the intensity of my lifts. I'm thinking that I have too much rest time. And when I look back my journal, I messed up the first 2 months, everything is shit. I think I only went right on track of progression when I hit around 29 April, so I guess I've only been lifting properly with a good progress for about 1 month+.

I will want to bulk to be honest, regardless of high BF % or not, I do not want to look like a stick. If I were to cut now, I'd cut to bone and skin. I rather bulk + mass and cut later on with something to show. I did lose some fat within that 1-2months of experimental stage, around 2% while retaining my muscle mass (though very little there to begin with).
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Of course you need intensity in your routine. Most of the time, a routine will dictate how much rest you need between each sets (you can refer to 'Blood and Guts' by Dorian Yates). If you are on a bodybuilding splits, 30sec - 1 min is the range of rest time recommended between each sets, But if you are squatting 400lbsx6 for example, you do need more rest time to recuperate.


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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Jun 25 2013, 02:48 PM)
Guys, I went to the gym last night and did back + a bit of biceps. Is it okay to workout my chest today?
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Of course it is okay. You need to at least let your muscle rest for 2 days before training it again. If you done back for yesterday, do chest today and tomorrow train leg, then shoulder and repeat the same pattern for next week. That would be called a split routine.
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I just brought my girlfriend to the gym with me on last Friday and the first exercise that I thought her is Squat brows.gif
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Jul 2 2013, 11:18 AM)
damn, how do you convince her to hit the gym ?

My gf is like, "I dun want go to gym la, later my muscle become big how ?"
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During my 2 years on and off weightlifting, I always involved my gf to become part of my changing lifestyle. At first, she don't want to join but she do lots of cooking for me. 2 extra large chicken breast with sambal tuckked with cheese, lots and lots of mee goreng for my macro intake you named it. Then, you show your progress to here. Ask her to google some stuff for you (I asked her to learn 'deep tissue massage brows.gif ). Let her be part of your weightlifting lifestyle and sooner than later, she'll come to join you.

No use forcing her or trying to change her mind and straight go to the gym. Women, it's hard to change her mindset doh.gif

QUOTE(DT1 @ Jul 2 2013, 02:20 PM)
I see what you did there  brows.gif
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She's got quite an ass, but I want them to be more firmer drool.gif

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jul 2 2013, 02:56 PM)
Oh you mean like this? http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/2012/12...rong-glutes.jpg  biggrin.gif

Anyways I was referring to enhanced functionality of the hamstrings.  brows.gif
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That is the after pic that I am gunning for her. With that ass, I'm gonna follow here where she'll go brows.gif
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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Jul 2 2013, 05:08 PM)
Ah thanks for the heads up! Btw, I wonder when should I train my leg coz I play futsal mostly every night around 8.30 to 10. Now my workout schedule is

Mon - Back
Tue - Legs maybe?
Wed - Chest
Thu - Shoulder
Fri - Biceps, triceps, arms.
Sat - Rest
Sun - Rest
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You can set your leg training anytime you want tbh. But if you trully train your leg, expect that you'll have some tough time playing futsal during the night or the next day. What I would suggest is that you find a fix time for your futsal game (it hard if your team is the kind of 'on call' for futsal game) and then try to slot in the leg day and give it a 1 day rest at least.
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QUOTE(VaLeNrUdOn @ Jul 5 2013, 10:35 AM)
Hi guys, i'm wondering which takes priority, weight? or reps?.
here's my question.
approaching last sets in a routine, let's take a standard benching for example, if i'm supposed to finish 8x135, but on the 6th rep i'm dead. What should be done? bearing in mind that maintaining form takes precedence. Should i stop at 6x135? or drop to 125 and finish up the last 2? would the last 2 reps with lower weight be benificial?
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Some of the methods that you can try.

1. Pause reps. Re rack the weight and take a 10 sec pause, and then continue to lift.
2. Ask for spot. For the last set, ask someone to spot you and try to get to your intended reps.

For above methods, it would be best for you to assume that you didn't complete the set normally you need to repeat it again on the next workout.

3. Stop at 6. Next workout aim for clean 8 reps.
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QUOTE(justaregularjoe @ Jul 9 2013, 02:57 AM)
guys does animal pak really helps?
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If you do concern about your micronutrition, then go ahead take Animal Paks. It gives a lot of vits.
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QUOTE(justaregularjoe @ Jul 9 2013, 03:10 AM)
yea cause i dont think i can eat that much
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Them micronutrition? I don't think most people who even count the calories of their food counts the micro-nutrition that comes with the food. You can try the animal pak and I'm sure that you will get something out of it. The magnesium, zinc is part of ZMA supps so more or less Animal Pak is one tube of micronutrition greatness.
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QUOTE(revelation91 @ Jul 12 2013, 11:56 AM)
high calorie foods have high sugar, how u solve this? bulk need calorie..
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Who said that high calorie food have high sugar? Almonds, nuts are calorie dense food but they don't have sugars in it.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 14 2013, 11:06 PM)
Has anyone done Stronglifts 5x5 before? I did it once last year but changed to a 12-week split, and now I'm looking to use the same 5x5 routine to help with strength gains again. But I think the routines (3 exercises, 5 sets 5 reps per workout, 3 days a week) lack volume, and there's no direct arm work involved.

A thread on bb.com forum also voiced my concern and they have some added exercises at the end of the original Stronglifts' prescribed routines.
So I'm wondering, between the original routines and these modified routines (from http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=155022423 , in case you guys are wondering), which would be better for overall strength and size gains?

Thanks!
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I've done SL 5x5 as my 1st training routine. Cannot say much about that when my diet was effing bad when I just started weightlifting. Then I did a few researches and interestingly I found out that muscle imbalance can appear from SL 5x5 and Starting Strength as both of these focused just purely on compound (no accessory training like Weider 5/3/1). Maybe it's true, I'm currently not at the level of judging workout routine / programme.

But if you want both size and strength, you can try for PHAT by Dr. Layne Norton. He created a workout routine for Power and Hypertrophy, a 5 intense and heavy ass days workout routine.


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