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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.19, D7100 announced weeeee~

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Holyjolly
post Feb 10 2013, 04:31 AM

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QUOTE(Tony Stark @ Feb 10 2013, 04:20 AM)
i understand wut ur saying about the loading thingy. i dont think its LR problem because u already said u shoot vivid.

in LR, it reads RAW, and the vividness will be taken away that's y ur seeing desaturated stuffs.

i never use NEX by nikon so i dont know if it can read RAW vivid. btw, in LR, develop> camera calibration, try and change it to camera vivid. see if it makes u happy abit more. or just add some saturation.

btw how bad ur 'zombie' photos looks like? care to post some example of this 'desaturated' photos?
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/90382787@N05/8458538383/

This is the direct converted photo from RAW to JPED without any editting. This is desaturated photo

for the zombie photo it is what i notice when i upload to facebook since long time ago. The RGB issue pointed out by goldfries. Got hit by a stone and woke up doh.gif
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post Feb 10 2013, 04:38 AM

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imo that pic still looks okay, not that desaturated.

but if what sifu goldie elaborated and that is ur problem, then hopefully ur problem is fixed bro smile.gif
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QUOTE(Tony Stark @ Feb 10 2013, 04:38 AM)
imo that pic still looks okay, not that desaturated.

but if what sifu goldie elaborated and that is ur problem, then hopefully ur problem is fixed bro smile.gif
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Yeah, this doubts already occurred at the end of last year for my Sabah trip, my friend told me RAW memang is like that since it take out the presets.

It just I am lazy to edit nia XD. Gonna try out your express technique (camera vivid).
but I fall in love with RAW. awesome, I got my Sandisk 32gb extreme 45mb/s already. Shot like mad.

Long way to learn. Hard to handle D90 at low light condition even thought I am using 35mm f1.8G + flashgun. ISO have to pump up to 1000 in order to get faster shutter speed but a lot of noise shakehead.gif . my cousin's canon 7D sensor is impressive under low light condition. But most of his photo couldn't capture the background ambient colour, it is like become very dark behind (even thought have yellow light in the hotel).

Misuse of flashgun power output? I duno the concept. Is like sensor only detect the light that flash on the subject? it neglect the background ambient lighting? curious hmm.gif

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post Feb 10 2013, 05:16 AM

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Feb 10 2013, 04:50 AM)
Yeah, this doubts already occurred at the end of last year for my Sabah trip, my friend told me RAW memang is like that since it take out the presets.

It just I am lazy to edit nia XD. Gonna try out your express technique (camera vivid).
but I fall in love with RAW. awesome, I got my Sandisk 32gb extreme 45mb/s already. Shot like mad.

Long way to learn. Hard to handle D90 at low light condition even thought I am using 35mm f1.8G + flashgun. ISO have to pump up to 1000 in order to get faster shutter speed but a lot of noise  shakehead.gif . my cousin's canon 7D sensor is impressive under low light condition. But most of his photo couldn't capture the background ambient colour, it is like become very dark behind (even thought have yellow light in the hotel).

Misuse of flashgun power output? I duno the concept. Is like sensor only detect the light that flash on the subject? it neglect the background ambient lighting? curious hmm.gif
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this one pulls back to the basics - shutter speed, iso, and aperture. nowadays with ETTL/iTTL, flashguns are made for fill flash (and other stuffs as well la tongue.gif) but we're talking about fill flash here. it seems to me that from wut u wrote, maybe ur cousin is using fast shutter speed, low iso, moderate aperture.

wut u need to do to counter this is - use iso, shutter speed, and aperture accordingly to the ambient lighting, to capture the ambient lighting, and then let the iTTL/ETTL work its magic. it works for me everytime.

and one more thing - u sure onot D90 sensor kenot fight with 7D's? tongue.gif in my personal test, the D90 wins by a hair in noise performance. and the 7D's shadow area noise produces more banding and color noise. sounds like u really havent pushed ur D90 to the limit and ur afraid to bump the iso. dont be. because the D90 imo produces really good images even with high iso's. the D90 loses to the 7D on ergonomics, focusing system, fps, but not on sensor performance. and not to forget - the D90 has got more dynamic range than the 7D. which is a blessing to me laugh.gif

if u really know how to fully utilize the dynamic range, flash, ISO capabilities..seriously, the D90 can produce really great photos.

take ur time and learn ur camera. ur shooting RAW already ma smile.gif

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exactly as what you said! he using ISO 300-500 (hardly for the sensor to sense surround light?), 3.5-5.6 aperture due to kit lens (low light absorption?), faster shutter speed (i think he want to prevent handshake + capture children & use the flashgun to compensate the faster shutter speed)<<< similar technique used by me.

Any advice on the environment that with yellowing dim lighting + wide space where bouncing light is ineffective? (hotel, KLCC exihibition hall etc)? I found out that diffusal white cap eventually direct more light to the subject and spoilt the photo == Wanna get Gammilight Event pro but it isn't cheap.

Oh I see, I hardly to touch Canon DSLR. yeah, I very scare of noise, I notice it starting ISO 800. I got on the "High ISO NR" to High setting, and on the "Long exp. NR"

Wow, D90 so geng ah? shocking.gif Any advises on the flashgun + noise reduction? notworthy.gif

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post Feb 10 2013, 05:56 AM

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exactly as what you said! he using ISO 300-500 (hardly for the sensor to sense surround light?), 3.5-5.6 aperture due to kit lens (low light absorption?), faster shutter speed (i think he want to prevent handshake + capture children & use the flashgun to compensate the faster shutter speed)<<< similar technique used by me.

Any advice on the environment that with yellowing dim lighting + wide space where bouncing light is ineffective? (hotel, KLCC exihibition hall etc)? I found out that diffusal white cap eventually direct more light to the subject and spoilt the photo == Wanna get Gammilight Event pro but it isn't cheap.

Oh I see, I hardly to touch Canon DSLR. yeah, I very scare of noise, I notice it starting ISO 800. I got on the "High ISO NR" to High setting, and on the "Long exp. NR"

Wow, D90 so geng ah? shocking.gif Any advises on the flashgun + noise reduction?  notworthy.gif
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dont be afraid to use high iso la..haha

up to 6400 oso i have used..yes there's noise..but if u captured the moment, why scare noise? i was like u when i started photography - scared with noise. as i moved on, noise is nothing really. that's why they said, understanding photography is understanding light.

actually with high high ceilings oso the SB series can bounce one..if langit oni cannot bounce. see how high the ceiling, then try first. if can bounce, then bounce. if u try n no effect - its either bounce card or use large apertures and high ISO lor smile.gif

turn off the Long exposure NR if possible - it'll make ur photos load more slow in camera.

looks like ur the kind of person who's really scared of noise tongue.gif in time u'll get over it. hopefully.

advises on flashgun and noise reduction? - use iTTL on ur sb900. its a super great feature. and use large apertures, shutter speed accordingly. if ur using 35mm then put at 1/50, 1/60 enough edi unless ur freezing moments. so no nid to bump iso kaw2. look at the granma pic u posted just now - got see noise onot? no got la if glance..how many people will see the pic then zoom in 100%? people see pic 5seconds then change other pic lo tongue.gif

some more if posted a pic of a sexy girl, no matter how bad the noise oso people see loooooong time ma laugh.gif it proves that subject matters more smile.gif
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WOW you all serious la... so early on 1st day or lunar new year so many textss.......

@Holyjolly I didnt read carefully cos its too early and too much text la about the problems .. but RAW files does not include color profiles. Thats why its 'taken away'. You try set your color profile to monochrome. Load it into LR or direct into PS. You will understand what I'm saying better. Even ur contrast & saturation on the camera body does not effek the RAW file.

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Gong Xi Fa Cai to everyone.......! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Feb 10 2013, 02:16 AM)
I need some advice on the lightroom v4.3.
Recently I feel the advantages of RAW (aka .NEF format) file for editing.
Normally the photo preview in the lightroom is more rich in colour right? then soon after it finish loading, the colour became dull, less saturate,less contrast, etc...

What I see is what I get (which is dull)? or the DSLR one is the real one?
I was being told that RAW files are like that one (dull), which good for editing.

I also being told we can load back the rich colour data back to the RAW file after we export it as JPEG directly in lightroom without editting, but it doesn't happen like what I think. It is same as the dull photo i view from lightroom.

So, If I like the photo straight out from camera (&lazy edit bunch of photos just to make the photo looks more colourful), how to put back the colour coding and export as JPEG?  icon_question.gif
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When you shoot NEF, it also comes with a 'small preview' JPEG embedded in it. So basically as you import to LR, it will show the embedded preview then when "finish loading" it will load what LR is cooking the raw (NEF) for you.

LR is unable to detect what is the actual settings you did on camera (Vivid, Standard, Portrait, Landscape etc including sharpness, saturation bar). My experience is that when you set the default "Vivid", you need to set "Vivid" in Camera Calibration under Develop module. But, if you did some tweaking in camera, you need to do trial and error in LR to get the exact copy.

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Alternatively if you like the color straight out from camera, just convert to JPEG via ViewNX2 instead.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 10 2013, 04:27 AM)
i understand where he's coming from because I had such problem before.

I use JPG but set to Adobe RGB. On the computer it looks fine but upon uploading to browser, the skin all look like corpse.

In the end have to find tune to add the red tones into the picture.
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For the benefit of Nikonian. Most internet browsers support sRGB only. If I am not mistaken, only Safari supports both sRGB and Adobe RGB. Goldie's mistake was the same mistake I did last time. I shoot in AdobeRGB (because the camera can only shoot in that space) and do all the post in AdobeRGB.

And uploaded my works on my website using the same colour space. Now, I use Safari and my monitor is callibrated. View back my website from my computer, damn cun. Then go to other people's computer use chrome or fox, I was shocked.

Got to re colour space every single photo and re upload it to my website. It was painful but necessary. So, just stick to sRGB and pump a little abit of saturation and smart sharpen to your photograph before you upload it to the internet.
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True pun.. Agree with you also....will improve and utilize my D90 biggrin.gif Thanks for advice. Learnt a lot. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 10 2013, 10:24 AM)
When you shoot NEF, it also comes with a 'small preview' JPEG embedded in it. So basically as you import to LR, it will show the embedded preview then when "finish loading" it will load what LR is cooking the raw (NEF) for you.

LR is unable to detect what is the actual settings you did on camera (Vivid, Standard, Portrait, Landscape etc including sharpness, saturation bar). My experience is that when you set the default "Vivid", you need to set "Vivid" in Camera Calibration under Develop module. But, if you did some tweaking in camera, you need to do trial and error in LR to get the exact copy.

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Alternatively if you like the color straight out from camera, just convert to JPEG via ViewNX2 instead.

Happy Chinese New Year to all celebrating and happy holiday to the rest!
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Wokay~ gonna try it out soon~ thanks notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(ifer @ Feb 10 2013, 11:24 AM)
For the benefit of Nikonian. Most internet browsers support sRGB only. If I am not mistaken, only Safari supports both sRGB and Adobe RGB. Goldie's mistake was the same mistake I did last time. I shoot in AdobeRGB (because the camera can only shoot in that space) and do all the post in AdobeRGB.

And uploaded my works on my website using the same colour space. Now, I use Safari and my monitor is callibrated. View back my website from my computer, damn cun. Then go to other people's computer use chrome or fox, I was shocked.

Got to re colour space every single photo and re upload it to my website. It was painful but necessary. So, just stick to sRGB and pump a little abit of saturation and smart sharpen to your photograph before you upload it to the internet.
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What I wonder is, since everyone is using different monitor, different browser...any processing standards(the common nice saturation, exposures etc) to be done when using lightroom? and the monitor settings too...normally I am using 50% brightness for my laptop screen. I heard there is some manufacturer introduce monitor pixels that is match with the Adobe colour....
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QUOTE(Holyjolly @ Feb 10 2013, 12:47 PM)
What I wonder is, since everyone is using different monitor, different browser...any processing standards(the common nice saturation, exposures etc) to be done when using lightroom? and the monitor settings too...normally I am using 50% brightness for my laptop screen. I heard there is some manufacturer introduce monitor pixels that is match with the Adobe colour....
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You mean Eizo? Alternative will be the HP Pro grade monitor. 30bits AdobeRGB colour spaced monitor.
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QUOTE(teetaatee @ Feb 10 2013, 02:41 PM)
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Happy Cina New Year everyone biggrin.gif

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Gong Xi Fatt Chai, may health and wealth be with you guys throughout the whole year of the snake.

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After shooting group pics.. my 16-35 decentering is quiet -.-... f/5.6 still obvious zomg.

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