cane creek's headset is a pain to find on the site... their headset fit finder is not helping either...

BETUL TU! FSA is the best

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Mar 18 2013, 06:23 PM

clear and concise...and you get Full Speed Ahead...

ritchey sounds like itchy... cane creek sounds like it will be creeky...chris king sounds like a someone who is apple polishing the king...

no FSA headset suitable. as far as i've looked at

Sorry if this speedplay question pops up again. Butthead, I believe you are using speedplay. From what I read, the Zero model allows 0-15 degree of microwdjustable float. What does it mean by rotational float?

Just need to clarify something, does it mean I will have 15 degree of float? My Keo Classic only 4.5 degree (grey), and that means my knees will appreciate such amount of float if I change to Speedplay. Won't it wobble when you are out of the saddle?

Dual side entry is a bonus. And damn they are pretty expensive! The titanium one is nearing 1k!

patience dude patience

your headset will come, not like it is getting jammed right now

just curious that no one has ever replaced their tarmac hs before

or did they replace the frame before the headst needs replacing??? daunting

I am not sure if this answers your question.

The float is actually the same as what is meant on your shimano and look pedals. The difference is where Shimano and Look has fixed float of either fixed (0 degree), 4.5 degree or 9 degree determined by the cleat used where the float on the speedplays are adjustable via setting screws on the cleat itself.

Speedplay pedals have no engagement mechanism on the pedal itself and all of it is instead being placed on the cleats itself.



From the pic above, you can see 2 adjustment screws that does 2 things

1) Centering of your foot
2) Adjustment of float play

The float adjustment is reached by adjusting the top and bottom screw in and out. If screw in both screws until it has no gaps, then there will be no play. If you screw out both screws, there will be a small gap in between them and you will have some amount of play. That is why it is micro adjustment while other pedal systems rely on the fixed system of their cleats.

Not trying to sell speedplay here but, here is where the strong points of speedplay comes into play (no pun intended). Where whatever adjustments (fore/aft, lateral, centering) you want to make to shimano and look cleats. You have to loosen all 3 screws and by making either adjustment, you mess up the other 2 settings as the cleat actively moves around. On the speedplay cleats, you adjust fore/aft, lateral and centering all in 3 independently. Some views this as a pain but it all makes up for accurate adjustments that does not affect one another when changes are made.

Adjustment of the cleats starts with fore/aft positioning of the base plate


On top of the base plate lies the cleat assembly itself which has only allows lateral (left/right) movements.


By doing this, the combination of cleat + base plate adjusts the cleat perpendicular to the shoe. Adjustments to the foot centering is then later made via the adjustment screws to set the centering of your foot. The only problem i can see is that if you were to play around with your settings especially fore/aft...then it might become a slight pain as you have to take off the cleats to reach the base plate.

The pedal is also lower in stack height because the main assembly is on the shoe rather than the pedal itself. And the pedal recesses into the cleat assembly on the shoe making the shoe to pedal spindle interface stack lower compared to other pedal systems. Some argues this improves power transfer but i think it's bull.

In some ways it is a fussy pedal, where if you notice they utilize phillips screw heads for their mounting screws as opposed to allen key holes. This is a problem because as you walk with the shoe, the phillips screw head wears out and further down the road, it becomes close to impossible to make adjustments to the cleats as the screws are no longer usable. So, any settings you need to do you will have to set it early on and make peace with whatever you have done earlier (or you can get the cleat cover for walking around). They have a reason for this phillips type screw as they claim that the phillips screw heads will not allow users to tighen the cleats down that much as over tightening the screws prevents the cleats from working properly. The screws also has tabs built into their thread so you know when to stop tightening when you feel a faint click.

Also it is not cheap to maintain where the cleat itself costs SGD75 per pair and every 5000 miles also you have to inject grease into the spindle via the grease port in order to maintain grease on the needle bearings used in the pedals which does not last as long as conventional ball bearings. Parts failure like spindle or the bow tie is replaceable, but not cheap and not sure if the shop might have it. There is also some misconceptions about power transfer on the small pedal body, but that i believe you can google to find out more as it is an interesting debate.

The offset is they do allow for many adjustments like a extended base plate kit for moving the cleats further back for a more mid-foot setting. Wedges (feet that is not parallel to the ground), stacks (different leg length), different spindle length among other things that makes speedplay a very adjustable pedal system.

The other thing i see lacking comparing it to shimano and look is that it lacks the tension adjustment feature which is none existent on speedplay. The only claim is that the stainless steel version has an alternate track version meant for track use which they claim has stiffer entry and release which i don't see how it works since the mechanism is on the cleats and the cleats look exactly the same as the replacement ones i bought.

I use the zero stainless steel pedal due to rider weight limitation of 185 pounds on any models above that, i won't choose any models further up anyways due to the price. You might be able to use the others like top of the range Nanogram if you prefer to. But it will cost way into the 4 figure amount (MYR) just to save weight. The cromo version is not made in US as far as i understand and only stainless steel versions and above are US made.

If plainly just to save weight, i don't think speedplay is the correct pedal to go for. It is definitely made for people who wants refined adjustments.

p/s: some reading
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?cgid=3&...ction=cg.thumbs
installation of the cleat
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseact...g.thumbs&cgid=1
some brainwashing BS
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.choose

This post has been edited by butthead: Mar 19 2013, 10:09 AM

most of shopping mall optical shops have Rudy Project... Empire Mall Subang & Sunway to name a few.

the master speaks... thought you say your bike shop ada jugak... got special treatment if go to BTS or not?

eh... you need to challenge him if he buys rudy project?

no mood to cycle la....

yeap, nobody replaced their tarmac before. i'm just the unlucky one

i've looked at the fork. the bottom race is glued to the steerer tube

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Mar 19 2013, 10:06 AM

another reason not to buy spez and buy a parlee... or a Cervelo RCA

cervelo use special bb right?

yes, i thought spez use mostly standard products. turn out just the same like others.

just a headset only mar...

i think other brands also got it's quirks lar... at least it is not leaving you grounded at the moment...

ya I went but very limited range, I was looking at Rydon and in a way, I was hoping for something, "special" like butthead kor kor said

an interesting read about the giant bikes

giant bikes

for those who prefer watching a video



This post has been edited by yolk: Mar 19 2013, 01:18 PM

just mention vin_ann's name... anything will be special... from McDonalds happy meal to a new doraemon bike right down to receiving services from "you know who"...

you broke the heart of many people... miao will be going into depression and mr.jgx's dream of owning an s-works is on the way to a shattering start...

and worst of all... vin_ann will be strutting around like a boss...

How did I shatter? :/

got what...

it just matter of what kind of lenses you want. the staff got no open catelog for you to see?

depending on the stock availability, u can order any model / lenses... all from Italy.

Impact X or not, polarized or not..., colorful or not... u choose...

sorry.. wrong quote.. i meant it for yolk...

old already... mouse click also senget... piss onto urinal also senget and god knows what else...