van nicholas has longer top tube. even longer than the sl3 i have now.

Would it be wrong if i get an sl4 frame but with ultegra groupset only? If i opt for that route i can have a better cockpit and saddle.

Or one should go with the best groupset but the bars, stems and what not are all mediocre?

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Mar 25 2013, 09:59 AM

Should i joins my P2K interstates 3 days ride in May during Wesak day long weekend???

1st day: KL - Raub
2nd day: Raub - Gua Musang
3rd day: Gua Musang via Cameron highland to Ipoh.

decision. decision. decision.

FYI, i have a run coming up in Philippines, TNF Baguio... on April 21-22. About 1 month gap to May 24.

if cycling fitness not pickup in time, will be sufferFest!

what kind of BETTER saddle and cock do you want?

just do it. if it turns south, just ask your legs to shut up. or u can challenge ur legs to push the limit.

i'm sure even the best cockpit in the world can't do this



so why bother?

is it? i think it is a couple of MM shorter... coupled with the angles of the HT and ST... i believe the contact point between the handlebar and saddle will shorten more than the SL3 as you stack more spacers on the stem...


watever your budget can afford... it's no wrong to do that, just make sure you don't regret... in fact, if i were you... i won't even consider SRAM Red... at most, i would go for Force and if i skimp on it... i would go for Rival with a set of Force cranks and maybe calipers as well...

you balance your budget at the end of the day...

if you dun suffer, you dun improve... wat doesn't kill you will only make you stronger right...

BBC...big black cock...

jus do it lah!!!... nike malaysia motto...

if ur legs tell u to shut up... jus get on sweeper bus and give the leaders the loser sign as you pass them....

tat is so nostalgic...

and you don't get to shoot at some poophole of some dieded star that looks like a rotten baseball...



also you don't get to say."It's a trap"

few mm also makes a difference la. why stack more spacers? their HT already long.

i'd go with force too. the DA9000 crank concept is very tempting. but the shifter hood is fugly.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Mar 25 2013, 10:44 AM

Guys enlighten me a bit lah...on the pricing and weight differences

I'm pretty much would like to keep the costs as minimum as possible..am not filthy rich, still balancing other needs in life.

seriously, dunno what u want. what do u want? pricing n weight differences of what?

On the Force and Red...am googling it now for the weight differences. Just wanna know msian pricing for both groupset. Quoted 5.6k for Red from GHS. No idea how much for Force.

oo price i dunno lah.

on the weight, this might help http://www.totalcycling.com/component-weights.html

ohhh i miss this game...

ohhh i miss this game...

why no love for campy?

yeah la... but you also have to take into account the spacers you are stacking mar... the bike will come with some longer steerer which you might not cut to maximum low initially.. so the feel might differ on first impression...

that few mm would not be very catastrophic la... can buy a longer 10mm longer stem to counter it anyways...further more on a size 52.. it is only shorter by 6mm if i am not wrong... euros to SL3

wat is your other options then?

if you say your primary choice is SRAM due to it's functions and you skimp on getting an ultegra... then you are asking for it lar...else, if you aim dura ace and get ultegra, i don't see what is wrong with that choice...furthermore, you save some money by not sacrificing too much on performance...

is the ultegra a complete built or a custom bike? complete built you can't do much to change it right? or you end up paying through your nose to trade in and change groupset....

if it is a custom one, then the question is why not SRAM? for the price of ultegra group on the market, you can easily get SRAM Force with a bit of topping up which is a direct competitor to Dura Ace... the shifter alone would have shaved close to 80 grams while the Red almost a whole 100 grams... even the rival shaves 50 grams from the 7900 shifters...

if i were on a budget run, my preferred configuration would be a Rival group since i don't see the point in a full carbon lever and shift lever... i would then opt for a force crank in BB30 if my frame has it and a set of force calipers... also if i have the extra money to go further.. a SRAM Red 2012 yaw FD...

it's a question you have to ask yourself at the end of the day...

if your choice includes Di2, or DA9000 or 11-speed is your requirements... all this arguments is invalid as those stuff are on a different league by it's own...

fickle minded'ness...

Force is hovering around RM3.5k...rival around RM2.5k

you miss a lot of shit...

because it no love my wallet....

u know how much that shit costs???

This post has been edited by butthead: Mar 25 2013, 11:13 AM

even if money is not an issue, i wouldn't choose Red for these reasons:
- rd pulleys and bb need to be serviced very often; 100hrs riding time
- shifter hood is big, slightly bigger than DA7900

i know someone who regrets getting the red due to the ceramic maintenance issue