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kadajawi
post Jan 17 2016, 06:24 AM

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Well, duh? I always expected this to be the case. Much more interesting will be to see if Pentax has finally taken video serious AND listened to users. AF selection is horrible on Pentax cameras, and to add insult to injury it used to be good! Then they screwed up. And instead of listening to their customers... nope, they insist that everything is fine. A bloody firmware update could fix it! Likewise shake reduction for video. A firmware update could fix it, but it's been like 4-5 years now that they insist nothing is wrong.
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post Jan 22 2016, 10:13 AM

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Hello fellow Pentaxians!

I need some help with an old K2000. I long time ago, I changed the focusing screen in the camera to work better with manual lenses. Unfortunately, the focusing is now at the back of the screen. I need someone to help adjust the focusing screen. It's not really Pentax specific. If there's a shop in Kuching, Sarawark that can do it, please let me know!

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QUOTE(koguma @ Jan 22 2016, 10:13 AM)
Hello fellow Pentaxians!

  I need some help with an old K2000.  I long time ago, I changed the focusing screen in the camera to work better with manual lenses.  Unfortunately, the focusing is now at the back of the screen.  I need someone to help adjust the focusing screen.  It's not really Pentax specific.  If there's a shop in Kuching, Sarawark that can do it, please let me know!
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Refer to this article... should be helpful, maybe the english is not so good but the pictures are helpful.

http://www.focusingscreen.com/work/test-fsen.htm

Basically you'll need some copper shims to adjust the focusing screen.

Unfortunately I don't know of any shops that can help in East Malaysia.

Hope the info helps!
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post Feb 18 2016, 08:08 AM

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Pentax K-1 officially announced.

http://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/penta...ced.html?src=fb

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post Feb 18 2016, 08:33 AM

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i dont know to go rclxm9.gif or hmm.gif or blink.gif or sad.gif or doh.gif

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kadajawi
post Feb 18 2016, 09:13 AM

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I know which way I will go: bye.gif

This camera is so underwhelming... it's watching Star Wars Episode 1 all over again. There is no reason for me to buy it, nor is there any reason to hope I will ever be able to buy a Pentax anymore. Clearly they do not aim for the professional market, and while a big part of my job I do shoot stills... and video. Stills... any decent camera will do. I've got some pretty decent lights, so low light performance is not an issue. Video... not any camera will do, and clearly not any recent or upcoming Pentax.

Heck. At this point camera manufacturers that are better at video include: Samsung, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Canon and even Fuji and Leica. Pentax is at the bottom. Very, very bottom of the list.
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I know which way I will go:  bye.gif

Heck. At this point camera manufacturers that are better at video include: Samsung, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Canon and even Fuji and Leica. Pentax is at the bottom. Very, very bottom of the list.
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post Feb 18 2016, 11:36 AM

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usually the first FF will be quite underwhelming. just have a look at the other camera makers. so might as well wait for the next FF from pentax if you really want to upgrade. unless you have so much money that you dont really need. haha
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QUOTE(azerak @ Feb 18 2016, 11:36 AM)
usually the first FF will be quite underwhelming. just have a look at the other camera makers. so might as well wait for the next FF from pentax if you really want to upgrade. unless you have so much money that you dont really need. haha
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but... if having the 1st ever FF build (digital la of cos laugh.gif ).... brows.gif

*k-1s should fix all the issues (if any) biggrin.gif
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Video has never been the strong side of Pentax and I don't think it will ever be laugh.gif

The new 15-30 looks nice..
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post Feb 18 2016, 02:37 PM

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btw.... with this out, will the others aps-c price going down?
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post Feb 18 2016, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(craxors @ Feb 18 2016, 02:37 PM)
btw.... with this out, will the others aps-c price going down?
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Based on the previous trends, yes. At least for overseas market. Malaysia, maybe not so much.
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Even pentax K-5 second hand price never go down here sweat.gif

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post Feb 19 2016, 04:46 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Feb 18 2016, 02:27 PM)
Video has never been the strong side of Pentax and I don't think it will ever be laugh.gif

The new 15-30 looks nice..
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Yeah. But they are so far behind at this point...

What to get now? I like the hardware in those Sony A7 series cameras, but I don't like how the cameras feel. At all. Or how to use them. Panasonic doesn't have SR. Samsung doesn't either, and is as dead as dead can be. Olympus lacks 4K yet, but that will change for sure. At least they are actually doing something. Pretty expensive for such a small sensor though. I think I'll stick to my K-5 for a little longer... as long as possible. Though it still being my favorite Pentax for video... a camera that is 6 (!) years old now is just sad.

It's so depressing, because Pentax makes almost perfect cameras, but kick themselves out of the race by not giving a f*** about video. Just a tiny bit of effort would be enough. Just being a few years instead of half a decade behind everyone else. But they can't even do that.

IMHO if Pentax continues on their screw video path, they will vanish. For plenty of pros they are simply not an option because of that. Beginners look at what pros use, and when they see pros don't use Pentax... And for the rest who just aren't sure what they want from a camera, the knowledge that Pentax sucks at video will be an issue. Yes, they may end up never shooting video, but how do they know? If Pentax is a bit better at stills, but so little that you can't really see, but they are terrible at video, then why buy Pentax? Why take chances? There are not many buyers of Ariel Atoms, despite being great drivers cars. But too specialized. People buy AMGs etc. instead. A tool that is too specialized for something will struggle against all-rounders that may not be perfect at any task, but do everything well.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 19 2016, 04:46 AM)
Yeah. But they are so far behind at this point...

What to get now? I like the hardware in those Sony A7 series cameras, but I don't like how the cameras feel. At all. Or how to use them. Panasonic doesn't have SR. Samsung doesn't either, and is as dead as dead can be. Olympus lacks 4K yet, but that will change for sure. At least they are actually doing something. Pretty expensive for such a small sensor though. I think I'll stick to my K-5 for a little longer... as long as possible. Though it still being my favorite Pentax for video... a camera that is 6 (!) years old now is just sad.

It's so depressing, because Pentax makes almost perfect cameras, but kick themselves out of the race by not giving a f*** about video. Just a tiny bit of effort would be enough. Just being a few years instead of half a decade behind everyone else. But they can't even do that.

IMHO if Pentax continues on their screw video path, they will vanish. For plenty of pros they are simply not an option because of that. Beginners look at what pros use, and when they see pros don't use Pentax... And for the rest who just aren't sure what they want from a camera, the knowledge that Pentax sucks at video will be an issue. Yes, they may end up never shooting video, but how do they know? If Pentax is a bit better at stills, but so little that you can't really see, but they are terrible at video, then why buy Pentax? Why take chances? There are not many buyers of Ariel Atoms, despite being great drivers cars. But too specialized. People buy AMGs etc. instead. A tool that is too specialized for something will struggle against all-rounders that may not be perfect at any task, but do everything well.
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What about canon?
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post Feb 20 2016, 04:59 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Feb 19 2016, 03:04 PM)
What about canon?
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I suppose even Canon is better than Pentax, yes.

They do have cinema cameras, which is the problem. They don't want you to buy a $1000 camera when you're willing to spend $5000 on a camera. So the "cheap" cameras are limited.
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i think most of the people in this forum have been using pentax for so many years. we know the limitations and honestly, even if we complain, pentax is not going to listen to us. thats what i have learned all these years. so i just use whatever that is offered. if i like it, i buy it. i dont like it, i dont buy it. simple.
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QUOTE(azerak @ Feb 20 2016, 09:10 AM)
i think most of the people in this forum have been using pentax for so many years. we know the limitations and honestly, even if we complain, pentax is not going to listen to us. thats what i have learned all these years. so i just use whatever that is offered. if i like it, i buy it. i dont like it, i dont buy it. simple.
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Yeah. But I haven't liked any of their offerings since the K-5 II. They could turn them into cameras I'd LOVE with a few firmware updates, but they never do it. And they never implement those things on new cameras either.

If only Magic Lantern would be working on Pentax cameras, that would change everything. Cause those people that work on the firmware at Pentax? mad.gif Must be one intern working half day in the basement. So much potential, so little used.
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post Feb 20 2016, 07:56 PM

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Yeah. But I haven't liked any of their offerings since the K-5 II. They could turn them into cameras I'd LOVE with a few firmware updates, but they never do it. And they never implement those things on new cameras either.

If only Magic Lantern would be working on Pentax cameras, that would change everything. Cause those people that work on the firmware at Pentax? mad.gif Must be one intern working half day in the basement. So much potential, so little used.
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maybe they care more about ricoh...rather than pentax. rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 20 2016, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(craxors @ Feb 20 2016, 07:56 PM)
maybe they care more about ricoh...rather than pentax.  rolleyes.gif
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I don't think so. Pentax is the brand name for their serious cameras. Ricoh is more for the... more experimental, and consumer oriented cameras somehow?

IMHO the people at Pentax seem slow, very traditional in their thinking, not taking feedback from outside, and not even hiring people to find out what people want. They themselves are photographers, so they think they know exactly what photographers want. Which is sort of true for the kind of photography they do, that's why the cameras are pretty good and well thought out. But I think they are hobbyists. Doing the kind of photography people enjoy as a hobby. They don't work as interior photographers for example. They don't work as videographers.

Olympus is taking feedback from professionals. Canon probably does. Or Nikon. Leica clearly does.

I'd already be happy if Pentax took their final hardware to working professionals, and said... here, try it. Let us know what we can do to make your life easier. What do you want to see in the camera? Any improvements? And then they get the feedback, and try to implement it in the firmware (where it makes sense and is possible, of course).

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