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post Nov 26 2008, 10:31 PM

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post Nov 26 2008, 10:32 PM

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It's without the monitor, that's why RM1999
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post Nov 28 2008, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(noobianz @ Nov 4 2008, 06:18 AM)
im having bad flickering when using gpu acceleration on mpc(cccp home cinema)

anybody else experiencing the same problem?
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I've heard of such problems but I do not have a gpu acceleration capable card to try it out. Try messing around with ATI control panel or Nvidia Control panel and obviously the one you need to mess with are the video playback settings, whichever one your card belongs to.
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post Nov 28 2008, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(blindbox @ Oct 31 2008, 10:11 PM)
Scroll up, it's on page 20, I posted it... You should at least read the page you're going to be posting at before posting.

Only Media Player classic-Home Cinema supports it I think. Cyberlink PowerDVD... meh I don't think they support mkv.
Anyway, it's funny how the best stuff for video decoding and encoding are usually free (x264, ffdshow, MPC-HC and so much else).
It has come to my attention to answer the 2nd part of your post. Monitors has absolutely nothing at all to do with your cpu usage. It is all about the file. Trust me, I tried to decode a 1080p file on a 1024x768 monitor + amd sempron 2000mhz. What came out was a slideshow.

Just because you don't run something at full screen doesn't mean it consumes less processing power.
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Bro, do you mean if i am able to play a 1080p file smooth on my LCD monitor, it should be able to show smoothly on my 40" Full HD TV?
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Nov 28 2008, 02:08 PM)
Bro, do you mean if i am able to play a 1080p file smooth on my LCD monitor, it should be able to show smoothly on my 40" Full HD TV?
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Ever played games at 1024x768 on a 30" monitor? It's fast, right? It's the same thing, yes it should be able to show smoothly. If you don't believe me, try this. Downscale a 1080p video by making your video screen smaller. Task manager should display the same processing power used compared to running it full screen.
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post Dec 6 2008, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Nov 6 2008, 05:35 PM)
how much does dell studio hybrid costs now in dell site its rm 1999 s it cheapers in lyp or any dealers?
and whaat abt acer x1200 and x3200 how much are they now in lyp acer didnt update price in their site
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Any info on availability and price/promo for this type of PC at PCFair in Penang? Anyone please share info.

For Acer X1200 and X3200 to be specific (both have internal power supply). Here are the links:

If no such model in Malaysia, an equivalent small form factor from Acer (with internal power supply) will do.



http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/acer-aspi...7-33229227.html

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/acer-aspi...7-33351909.html

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post Dec 6 2008, 11:06 AM

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post Dec 6 2008, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 6 2008, 11:06 AM)
no sign of it in malaysia
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What I meant is not really exact model. What I want is just the same small form factor like that.
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post Dec 6 2008, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(floppy @ Oct 28 2008, 08:56 PM)
My new HTPC cum file server. Specs are:

Intel C2D X6800
4GB DDR3-1333 HyperX
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Prodigy 7.1
Some 6TB of hdd space
Gigaworks T40
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Wowow.. i usually though HTPC is something like home player size...but this really a big one...
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post Dec 6 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(mghong @ Dec 6 2008, 12:33 PM)
Wowow.. i usually though HTPC is something like home player size...but this really a big one...
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I have a mini tower HTPC as well. I don't put it near the TV but at the far corner. Just need to have the remote censor in front of the TV that's all. No need to showcase the HTPC biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MyDevil @ Dec 6 2008, 01:30 PM)
I have a mini tower HTPC as well. I don't put it near the TV but at the far corner. Just need to have the remote censor in front of the TV that's all. No need to showcase the HTPC  biggrin.gif
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Remote censor ? can u explain on your design of your mini tower HTPC ???

I now planning to get a tv-card to hog from my computer to a TV , use it for monitor purpose for 1 stage.

After that then i will build a real HTPC using the card as well but i wonder whether did those ATI 4630 card also can output to TV or not ?
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post Dec 23 2008, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(ue_smsc @ Nov 18 2008, 10:05 PM)
790g quite expensive.. just bought gigabyte 780g as my sign.. suit my needs..
m-atx, passive cooler.. got a good review of it.. ---> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-78...ipset,1785.html
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I actually bought 780G for my uncle HTPC. Performance is ok, can run AERO, no prob, can watch 720p (mkv) no prob.

http://karhoe.net/content/view/122/5/

BUT, when it comes to 1080p, the pc (don't know which part) overheat and power off. It just can't handle 1080p MKV files. It's the first revision 1.0 btw


Added on December 23, 2008, 1:37 pmLet's say I can fix the heat issue, when watching 1080p MKV, the video and audio can't even sync together

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post Dec 23 2008, 02:02 PM

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Hi Guyz, after doing some research over the net i have come to this decision.
If you wan ur HTPC purely for movie, you choose either nvidia 8200 or nvidia 9200.

An onboard graphic is good enough to cater for your need.....from the research it is proven that 8200 can playback hi-def movie such as blu ray more smoothly compare to 780G. if you are up to some gaming you can choose 780G. Graphic in 780G is betta but video is betta in 8200/9200 series.

for the heat issue, some of the 780G do suffer this problem but is not all...

This is my recent built, it is pretty cheap but is more than enough.

AMD X2 5200 = RM 195
XFX nvidia 8200 = RM305
4GB ram = rm120 (ram is too cheap so decide to grab another 2 GB)
Casing = rm150 (if you are building a HTPC go for small form factor)
HDD = Free

if you see here it is pretty cheap to built a solid HTPC....

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post Dec 23 2008, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(djlah @ Nov 18 2008, 01:55 PM)
HDMI will carry video and audio from the port at graphics card. so yes, your initial thinking was still correct.

but the audio processing not from graphics card still, is from either your onboard audio and add-in sound card internally via cable. which is there is SPDIF cable provided from graphics card if bundled included the DVI-HDMI converter/onboard HDMI port with that cable.

this SPDIF cable is to connect from your graphics card to your sound card internally. so your sound card still control the 5.1 or 7.1 channel.

about recommendation, I personally prefer NVIDIA. you can select ATi if you like too...
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Actually, for new graphic cards, like the ATI 4000 series, it has onboard Realtek soundchip, so it can decode audio as well and does not need to connect to a discrete soundcard.

SHARP56:
I would suggest you to get a M-ATX board with latest AMD chipset..i think 790xx something. It's sufficient for your purpose and has everything built in, optical digital out, coaxial digital out and HDMI. The one thing about HTPC is to look small and sexy. Get a small matching casing as well.

Playing 1080p files should not be a problem as long as ur CPU can handle it. Decoding 1080p MKV does not depends on the GPU.

I've just built a similar specs PC for my relative..(Gigabyte MA78GPM-DS2H). I think this will suit ur need fairly well...as long as u don't try to do hardcore gaming on it ( u can always add a better GPU latter).

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post Dec 23 2008, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(sharp56 @ Nov 17 2008, 10:24 PM)
Can anyone recommend a graphic card with HDMI output which can channel 5.1 or 7.1 sound? I always thought that a 5.1 or 7.1 sound channel is provided by the sound card rather than a graphic card. Thanks for the pointer.
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there is a lot of card are providing it....
but honestly if you are using purely for movie there is no point to waste more money on the graphic that you don't utilize....
a onboard graphic card shud be sufficient for you....it has all wat you need

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post Dec 23 2008, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(leongtat @ Dec 23 2008, 02:02 PM)
Hi Guyz, after doing some research over the net i have come to this decision.
If you wan ur HTPC purely for movie, you choose either nvidia 8200 or nvidia 9200.

An onboard graphic is good enough to cater for your need.....from the research it is proven that 8200 can playback hi-def movie such as blu ray more smoothly compare to 780G. if you are up to some gaming you can choose 780G. Graphic in 780G is betta but video is betta in 8200/9200 series.

for the heat issue, some of the 780G do suffer this problem but is not all...

This is my recent built, it is pretty cheap but is more than enough.

AMD X2 5200 = RM 195
XFX nvidia 8200 = RM305
4GB ram = rm120 (ram is too cheap so decide to grab another 2 GB)
Casing = rm150 (if you are building a HTPC go for small form factor)
HDD = Free

if you see here it is pretty cheap to built a solid HTPC....
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For casing, I recommend Aopen G326 sold by rockrock, RM165 only, a true SFF

QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 23 2008, 02:03 PM)
Actually, for new graphic cards, like the ATI 4000 series, it has onboard Realtek soundchip, so it can decode audio as well and does not need to connect to a discrete soundcard.

SHARP56:
I would suggest you to get a M-ATX board with latest AMD chipset..i think 790xx something. It's sufficient for your purpose and has everything built in, optical digital out, coaxial digital out and HDMI. The one thing about HTPC is to look small and sexy. Get a small matching casing as well.

Playing 1080p files should not be a problem as long as ur CPU can handle it. Decoding 1080p MKV does not depends on the GPU.

I've just built a similar specs PC for my relative..(Gigabyte MA78GPM-DS2H). I think this will suit ur need fairly well...as long as u don't try to do hardcore gaming on it ( u can always add a better GPU latter).
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790 already have MATX? Last I know they were still in ATX and the MATX ones cost a bomb. Be warned again, 780G cannot handle 1080p mkv rips
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post Dec 23 2008, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 23 2008, 02:03 PM)


Playing 1080p files should not be a problem as long as ur CPU can handle it. Decoding 1080p MKV does not depends on the GPU.

yeah, my E2180 (2G dual core) can decode 1080p smoothly without Video chipset assistance (not much assist with palia intel chipset..hehe) , but lappy's 1.6G dual core is stuttering....

but I think the latest Graphics cards can do hardware decode and leave the proc at 5-10% utilization.. not sure yet but will be getting a HDMI HD audio outputtable video card soon..

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 23 2008, 02:37 PM)
yeah, my E2180 (2G dual core) can decode 1080p smoothly without Video chipset assistance (not much assist with palia intel chipset..hehe) , but lappy's 1.6G dual core is stuttering....

but I think the latest Graphics cards can do hardware decode and leave the proc at 5-10% utilization.. not sure yet but will be getting a HDMI HD audio outputtable video card soon..
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Yep, the 780G and 8200 actually helps decode, Nowadays, integrated graphic is very powerful...but Intel still sucks at this...LOL.

Intel may have the better CPU, but in terms of value chipset, AMD and Nvidia still rules supreme. Can't beat em for value.

I'm using an ATI HD 4850 to output to my LCD TV via HDMI...it has onboard realtek chip for the sound. Good enuff for most purpose. U r going to connect to a receiver directly or to TV?
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post Dec 23 2008, 03:56 PM

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780G chipset comes with ATI HD3200 already which is ok for mkv. I just bought an Asus M3A78 and with Phenom X3 8450, 4gb kingston value ram, 500GB hdd and a new casing for around RM1.2k. I use back my existing ATI HD3450 and SB x-fi extreme music. I got the 3450 for RM100 only and it carries 5.1 Audio over HDMI. Cheap HTPC solution biggrin.gif Output to my 720p projector using DVI-to-HDMI converter and everything is well.

Actually you don't really need a fast CPU to watch MKV, you can always make use of ur GPU for video processing. Make use of DXVA and you can watch 720p mkv files with less than 5% cpu power. I use ffdshow paired with MPC HC and cpu usage is around 20%.

I would've gotten a board with 780G chipset if it weren't because it's m-atx. Nowadays you can pair the onboard ATI HD3200 with say my HD3450 and you get a HYBRID CROSSFIRE. Good enough for lot's of games out there biggrin.gif

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post Dec 23 2008, 04:05 PM

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Yeap....toytoy point out a very good idea here....

HTPC should be cheap cheap cheap!!! and effiecient.

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