Yup and those who want to view good theological argument should

youtube Ravi Zacharias.

That guy is really amazingly good.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 10 2012, 11:40 PM

haha i going sleep soon
well tmrw morning i take a look
see u all tmrw and thank

good night

Dont have hahaha. I read more on online, short blog etc. All over the places. Power of google.

To continue from last post on an overview or bird's eye view of God's economy in the OT ...

ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB WITH JOSEPH

After Noah, there are four more persons—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with Joseph. They form one group. They typify the called believer’s threefold experience of the Triune God from his selection to his reigning.

As the Father, Abraham Being Called by God and Justified by Faith, Living by Faith and Living in Fellowship with God

If we have the experience of the first group of five people, we will surely experience God the Father in the way of Abraham’s experience. Abraham was one called by God and justified by faith, who lived by faith and lived in fellowship with God. This is a type of the believer experiencing the calling and justification of God the Father and by faith living a life of fellowshipping with Him. Our experience of the Triune God is similar to that experienced by Abraham. God the Father first called us. Then we walk by Him, living by faith and living in fellowship with Him.

As the Son, Isaac by Faith Inheriting All the Promised Blessings

After we have the experience of Abraham, we enjoy all the riches of the Father deposited in the Son. This is the experience of Isaac. Isaac by faith inherited all the promised blessings. This is a type of a believer who lives in fellowship with God experiencing the inheritance of all the grace in God the Son for the enjoyment in satisfaction and rest. Abraham left everything to Isaac. We who belong to Christ are the descendants of Abraham. We also have inherited an inheritance according to the promise for the enjoyment in satisfaction and rest.

As the One Inheriting from His Grandfather and His Father, Jacob Being Chosen by God Experiencing Trials to Become the Israel of God, Bringing God’s Blessing to Everyone

After we experience the riches of the Son, God the Spirit will lead us to experience Jacob’s portion. Jacob was chosen by God to experience trials to become the Israel of God, bringing God’s blessing to everyone. This is a type of the believer chosen by God who enjoys the love of God the Father and the grace of God the Son and experiences the transformation of God the Spirit through trials in his environment to become a mature man to bestow God’s blessings to others. When we who are in Christ enjoy His riches, the Spirit will lead us to pass through all kinds of trials in our environment to be transformed by the Spirit to become Israel, the prince of God.

As the One Who in Experience Forms a Part of Jacob, Joseph Reigning and Dispensing Widely the Riches of God to Everyone

Joseph in experience forms a part of Jacob. He reigned in Egypt for God, dispensing all the rich food to the whole world. This is a type of the transformed, overcoming, and mature believer reigning for the Lord, dispensing the riches of God in Christ to everyone.

Hence, from the experience of the first group of five people, we go on to experience the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. In the end, we all become Israel, the prince of God, reigning for God and dispensing the riches of God in Christ to everyone. This is what the second group of four people typifies. The experiences of these nine people tell us how God accomplishes His economy in us, the believers. Today, although every one of us is different in our spiritual experience—some being higher, while others are lower—we have to look to God’s mercy that we would go on and advance further and further in the process of God’s economy.


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Honestly this is stressful for leaders because we are all human and can succumb to emotions and yet we must continue to persevere and improve.

and I would recommend this in return:

Prayer of St Francis

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.

Song version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4vhxWViQ0E

If there's anyone who wants to pour out your heart, feel free to post or pm.

today went to work morning, then u felt so dizzy n sick. so i went down to the clinic below my office n took a mc after seeing doctor. lucky me, just basic bakteria infection but must eat antibiotics n take some rest.

sick really not a good things to happened, it makes ur body weaker n weaker. not much choices activities i can do at the moment.. just sleep n eat.

i was wondering, how can i heal myself faster? any chances this will work on faith? i really wants to get heal faster n i can continue my job tomolo.

HEALING



Dear Friends,

Ever since Adam fell, Sin entered into our world, bringing death, sickness and all kind of destructions. We call this the curse of sin.

God never meant for us to die or grow old. Not even to have a simple flu. But the destructive power of sin brought all this on mankind because of Adam's sin.

When Jesus was hung at the cross, He took our punishment and bore our curse. So that we don't have to be punished.

We are taught every week in Churches that Jesus was punished for our sins but have never really been taught that He also bore our curses.

I'm here today to tell you. Jesus redeemed us not only for eternal life but also for an abundant life. How?

By redeeming us from the curse of sin by being in our place to take our curses. (Galatians 3:13)

He has removed all the powers and effect of the curse of sin.

In my last devotion, I've taught you to issue commands to your situations. Now you can practise this command "by his wounds/stripes we are healed" to whatever sickness, infirmities or health conditions in your body.

Do you know why you can do so?

The answer is because Jesus has redeemed you from the curse of sin. You have been set free from all the curses of sins. Amen.

Do you now understand how much Jesus loves you? You must learn to make it personal and say that Jesus really does love you.

And the right way to do this, is to acknowledge it has got nothing to do with your obedience but Jesus's obedience to the Father that makes you righteous.

By declaring Jesus Righteousness in your body, command and demand all types of sickness to get out. Tell the sickness your body have been redeemed from all curses and you have been made righteous. Tell the sickness it has NO RIGHTS to be in your body.

Command it To be uprooted by the roots and be planted in the sea.

And practise also my most recent devotion on how to get your prayers answered,

by Believing that your Healing is ALREADY there, don't worry even if you don't see it happening.

Do this as frequent as possible, everyday and You will be Healed by God's grace.

It will happened in Jesus Name.

Amen?

God Bless.

THE CORPORATE TYPE

The experiences of all these nine persons in Genesis are part of God’s economy. God worked Himself into every one of them and worked every one of them into Him. They were joined and mingled with God and were transformed, even to become the prince of God, reigning for God on earth and distributing to others His riches. This experience was high enough. But it was only on the individual side. God had not yet obtained a corporate dwelling place. He still did not have a place on earth in which to dwell.

The Corporate Israel

God’s intention is to have a corporate body. The nation of Israel was a type of this body. For this, God went on from Genesis to Exodus, working Himself into the corporate Israel that they would become the house of God, which is God’s habitation on earth as typified by the tabernacle in the midst of the Israelites. This corporate Israel was a type of the church as the Body of Christ to be God’s dwelling place on earth among men.

Experiencing the Passover, Having God’s Judgment Pass over Them

At that time, the Israelites went down into Egypt and were enslaved by the Egyptians. In order to deliver them from the bondage of Egypt, God had to judge Egypt and smite the firstborn of the Egyptians. To spare the Israelites from the same smiting, God gave them a way of salvation. He commanded them to slaughter the Passover lamb and strike the blood on the lintel and the side posts. Under the covering of the blood, the destroying angel would pass over them and would not smite them (Exo. 12:21-23). But all the firstborn of the land of Egypt were judged by God and were smitten by the destroying angel. In this way, the Israelites were delivered from the enslaving hand of Pharaoh and were freed from Egypt.

Leaving Egypt and Crossing the Red Sea

After the Israelites experienced the Passover, they left Egypt the same night and crossed the Red Sea. This is a type of all the believers in the New Testament, that is, the whole church, experiencing Christ as the Passover and being baptized to be delivered from the world. For the Israelites the experience of the Passover, the exodus from Egypt, and the crossing of the Red Sea were not individual matters but were all corporate matters. They experienced the Passover as a corporate body, they left Egypt as a corporate body, and they crossed the Red Sea as a corporate body. In the eyes of God, we believers are not saved one by one individually. Instead, we enjoy Christ as the redeeming Lamb together, we are baptized together, and we are delivered from the world and saved from this age together. In God there is no difference in time and space. We the believers experience our Passover at the same time, and all of us leave Egypt and cross the Red Sea at the same time.

Passing through the Wilderness to Offer Sacrifices to God

The Israelites were led by God out of Egypt to cross the Red Sea and enter into the wilderness to serve God. Today it is the same for us, the saved ones. We are in the wilderness, away from the bondage of the world, having been released from the enslaving of man and having the true freedom. Here we learn to serve God.

Experiencing the Bitter Water Turned Sweet

In the journey through the wilderness, God led the Israelites to pass through many experiences. First, they experienced the bitter water turned sweet. The Israelites came to Marah. Because of the bitterness of the water, the people complained to Moses. Jehovah commanded Moses to cast a tree into the water, and the water turned sweet (Exo. 15:25). The bitter water signifies a bitter situation. The tree signifies the cross of Christ. Christians are like the Israelites in the wilderness; often we are confronted with difficulties while journeying on earth. During these times, if we consider the cross of Christ and receive it into us, our bitter situations will turn sweet.

Enjoying the Manna from Heaven as the Daily Supply

The Israelites also enjoyed the manna from heaven as their daily supply. They did not plough nor did they reap in the wilderness. What they ate was the manna from heaven (Exo. 16:15). We who follow the Lord have God’s manna from heaven, which is the Lord Jesus. He is the bread of life. When we eat Him, we will not be hungry. He who eats Him will live by Him (John 6:35, 57).

Drinking the Living Water Which Flowed from the Rock

Not only did the Israelites need food in the wilderness; they needed water as well. God solved the problem of their need for food by sending manna, but there was still the need to solve the problem of drinking. For that, God commanded Moses to smite the rock. Out of the rock came water (Exo. 17:6), and their thirst was quenched. Today the Lord Jesus is our manna. He is also our living water. We can drink of Him and be satisfied.

Defeating Amalek

While the Israelites were journeying in the wilderness, Amalek came and fought with them (Exo. 17:8), hindering them from going on. Through the prayer of Moses, the Israelites defeated Amalek. In type, Amalek signifies our flesh. Our flesh is always hindering us from following the Lord. But through the intercession of the Lord Jesus in heaven and through the power of the Holy Spirit, we are enabled to overcome the flesh. Hence, after we have left Egypt and are in the way of following the Lord in the wilderness, there are many needs. The Lord is able to meet all of our needs. He turns the difficulties into sweetness. He satisfies our hunger and quenches our thirst. He overcomes the hindrance of the flesh for us. In this way we can go on fearlessly to the place God has appointed.

Coming to the Mountain Appointed by God, Receiving Revelation, and Erecting the Tabernacle

The Israelites came to Mount Sinai, which was God’s appointed place (Exo. 19:1). Here they received the revelation to build the tabernacle so that God would have a dwelling place on earth (Exo. 25:8). Later the tabernacle became the center of the move among the Israelites. This typifies that we the believers are led by the Lord to receive revelation and to build the church as God’s dwelling place.

Wandering and Dying in the Wilderness

The Israelites could very well have entered into the good land of Canaan through following the tabernacle had it not been for their evil heart of unbelief which offended God. For that, God was disgusted with that generation. In the end they all died in the wilderness. This typifies the believers wandering and failing in the soul.

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Genesis 39

8 But he refused. “With me in charge,” he told her, “my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care. 9 No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?”


There is no 10 commandments yet. How come Joseph know adultery is a sin against God?

This post has been edited by OlgaC4: Dec 13 2012, 10:56 AM

You don't need the 10 commandment to tell you what to do when you have an ongoing relationship with God.

Relax Bro. I am not going that area. Something to ponder about here.

I know,

just to help out others who wants to know the answer.

honestly i've never relied on the 10 commandment to guide me but the spirit of God.

In all situations, It is God's spirit within me that convicts me to let me know.

Just like how Joseph relied on God leading him.



Here is one verse I read this morning that further support why the 10 commandment is not used as a guideline but used as a channel for sin consciousness. So how can it be a guide?

Romans 7:8
But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead

and

Romans 7:10 says
I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 13 2012, 11:17 AM

You might confuse a lot of people which might not understand the bible deeply.

I notice that from all above, "relation" with Jesus is a BIG key to this healing.

Listen to the latest message and be enriched in the knowledge of God.

http://www.gladtidings.my/resource.htm

No. Having Faith that Jesus has already redeemed you from the curse is the big key answer.

Relationship is not even an issue. It comes naturally when you understand the name you invoke for healing.

Faith is the starting point of having a relationship with God.

The more you understand this, see you are transform from within and it starts by having Faith in God's word.

The more you feed on God's word, the more you are drawn to God by the help of the Holy Spirit.

Every Christians should read the Bible daily.

Jesus said our inner spirit need to feed on God's word and understand otherwise it will starve and not grow.

I concur that every Christians should read the Bible daily. Some of the newbie in christians might got the wrong understanding that we don't need to follow the 10 commandments.