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Sophiera
post Mar 6 2014, 06:08 PM

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I understand, somewhat. But as long it's not the proof that we can lose our salvation that's okay.
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post Mar 7 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 6 2014, 11:59 AM)
Nope I didn't say that. tongue.gif

When Christian uses Allah, it is a generic term for God. It is not WHICH GOD are we referring to.

BUT when we refers to God, it is the Triune God (singular) that we are referring to. According to the Bible, God is uniquely one (Deut. 6:4; 1 Cor. 8:6), yet He is also the Father, the Son, and the Spirit (Matt. 28:19b). This is difficult for the human mind to reconcile or explain, but this is the revelation in the Bible.

The Father, the Son, and the Spirit coexist with one another (Matt. 3:16-17; Eph. 3:14-17), and They also coinhere. To coexist means to exist together at the same time. To understand the coexistence of the three of the Divine Trinity is not difficult, but to understand how the three of the Divine Trinity coinhere is very difficult. To coinhere means that the three of the Divine Trinity exist within one another, abide in each other (John 14:10-11; 17:21). The three of the Divine Trinity from eternity past have been and still are coexisting and coinhering with one another.
The three of the Divine Trinity are distinctly three and yet one. The Father is distinct from the Son, the Son is distinct from the Spirit, and the Spirit is distinct from the Father and the Son.

Yet the Son is the Father (Isa. 9:6; John 14:9-10), and the Son is also the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17). The Son became flesh (John 1:1, 14) and was called the last Adam. This last Adam through death and resurrection became a life-giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45b). The son given was called the Eternal Father, and after His death and resurrection He became the life-giving Spirit. Therefore, the Son is both the Father and the Spirit.

HAHA ...

You have to study first what the word Trinity means and its implication biggrin.gif
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post Mar 7 2014, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 6 2014, 12:40 PM)
It's a common noun.

Back in the days prior to Islam, before Mohammamed was even born, the Arabs already using the word allah to refer to a divine deity.
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To say Allah is common noun is wrong. Arabs also worshipped many objects such as trees and sculptures but they never call it as Allah. They called them God plus any other name such as Latta, Uzza etc instead. They also never called Allah Latta or Allah Uzza. So Allah is a proper noun exclusively and only for Allah.
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post Mar 7 2014, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Mar 7 2014, 09:17 AM)
To say Allah is common noun is wrong. Arabs also worshipped many objects such as trees and sculptures but they never call it as Allah. They called them God plus any other name such as Latta, Uzza etc instead. They also never called Allah Latta or Allah Uzza. So Allah is a proper noun exclusively and only for Allah.
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Allah (Arabic: الله, Allāh) is the standard Arabic word for God.

It's a common noun, prior Islam, Christianity came first, the Arabic Christians referred to God as Allah as a common noun.
You cannot change what has happened in history. The only way you can do that is through denial of historical facts, just like how the Koran has recorded Jesus.


http://www.arabicbible.com/for-christians/...-and-islam.html

Here is another proof

http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/03/who...before-islam-1/

And more references


The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)



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post Mar 8 2014, 07:51 PM

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another question if all the pass3nger in a flight even one is a believer God will save the plane in this case if all died then how
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 7 2014, 09:43 AM)
Allah (Arabic: الله, Allāh) is the standard Arabic word for God.

It's a common noun, prior Islam, Christianity came first, the Arabic Christians referred to God as Allah as a common noun.
You cannot change what has happened in history. The only way you can do that is through denial of historical facts, just like how the Koran has recorded Jesus.
http://www.arabicbible.com/for-christians/...-and-islam.html

Here is another proof

http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/03/who...before-islam-1/

And more references
The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry
... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)


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QUOTE(jxjm63 @ Mar 8 2014, 07:51 PM)
another question if all the pass3nger in a flight even one is a believer God will save the plane in this case if all died then  how 
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If you're meant to go, you're meant to go.

But if you're meant to live, God will protect that person.

I'm sure you have heard of incredible stories of how people trap under water for how long and yet managed to live.

People have this wrong misconception that everything that happens in this world is because God is causing it.


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post Mar 9 2014, 02:55 AM

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http://creationsciencestudy.wordpress.com/...am-in-malaysia/

Adoi now my muslim friends are asking me about this guy's post
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post Mar 9 2014, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Mar 7 2014, 09:17 AM)
To say Allah is common noun is wrong. Arabs also worshipped many objects such as trees and sculptures but they never call it as Allah. They called them God plus any other name such as Latta, Uzza etc instead. They also never called Allah Latta or Allah Uzza. So Allah is a proper noun exclusively and only for Allah.
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Same like Buddhist worship Buddha, but when they claim they reach enlighten they became Buddha. So, which is which?
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post Mar 9 2014, 02:55 PM

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Out of curiosity i decided to check out what does wikipedia say about Yahweh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

First line also wrong already from a biblical standpoint, I wonder how they piece history together and determine the 'original' diety...
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post Mar 10 2014, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Mar 9 2014, 02:55 PM)
Out of curiosity i decided to check out what does wikipedia say about Yahweh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

First line also wrong already from a biblical standpoint, I wonder how they piece history together and determine the 'original' diety...
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Well ... it is Wikipedia trying to be neutral smile.gif

We can't expect anything from it.

Even among us, Christians, sadly, there seem to be a "fight" on of using the "correct" name of God, i.e. Yahweh versus Jehovah. tongue.gif

Yet no one will ask what is the intrinsic meaning of it. rclxub.gif

Why does Genesis 1 not mention Jehovah or Jehovah God, but only God? The name God-Elohim-means the strong and mighty One. The name God has to do with the creatures; it refers to His relationship with the creation. But Jehovah is a name that is related to man. Genesis 2 speaks of the relationship between God and man. Therefore, Jehovah God is mentioned right away. This speaks of God's relationship with man. In Genesis 1 we do not see man. Even when the creation of man is mentioned on the sixth day, the emphasis is still on creation. This is why the name God [Elohim] is used. In Genesis 2 we see man, and so it speaks of Jehovah God. Every time the word Jehovah God is used, it denotes God having a relationship with man. Every time the word God is used, it implies His power and His relationship with the creation.

This is wonderful! That we puny human beings have a relationship with God (Jehovah / Yahweh tongue.gif)
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post Mar 14 2014, 08:03 AM

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FINAL CASE IN JOHN - CONCLUSION PT 1

If you consider the condition of the people in each case, you will discover that in every case they had nothing but death. Look at the man named Nicodemus. He had nothing but the water of death. Look at the Samaritan woman. Her thirst meant that she was under the threatening of death. Look at the dying son of the royal official. He was under the cruelty of death. Look at the man who was sick for thirty-eight years. What did he have? Death. Look at the multitude before they were fed by the Lord. They were hungry because they had nothing other than the water of death. Look at the thirsty religionists. The vanity with which their feast ended also spoke of death. Look at the sinful woman who was brought to the Lord by the Pharisees. She also had only the water of death. Spiritually speaking, even the blind man had only death. And Lazarus reeked of death. All the people involved in these nine cases had nothing but the water of death. According to the second chapter, the six waterpots, a type of humanity, were filled to the brim with the water of death. Likewise, every person in every case was filled with death. Death is revealed in every case.

However, the Lord came into these situations of death in order to be life in the principle of resurrection. He turned the death of each situation into life and brought life out of death.

Let us apply this principle of life in resurrection to all of the cases. Firstly, the Lord spoke with Nicodemus about regeneration. Do you know what is the principle of regeneration? Regeneration simply means that the Lord has come to be our life in resurrection. How can the Lord regenerate people or cause them to be born anew? Simply by being their life in the principle of resurrection.

In the case of the Samaritan woman, the Lord spoke with her about the satisfaction of the living water. How can a poor sinner be satisfied with the living water? Only by the principle of life in resurrection. When the Lord comes into us as life in resurrection, we shall then have the living water which satisfies us.

etc ...

Of course, it is clearly evident that the last case, the raising of Lazarus from the dead, is based upon Christ as life in the realm of resurrection. The first sign, the second sign, and now the last case reveal the intention and principle of the Gospel of John: that of life through the resurrection of the dead.

Why was it that the Lord waited for two days instead of going immediately upon receiving the news of Lazarus’ sickness? Strictly speaking, the Lord waited for two days because He would not only heal people; rather, He would enliven us. The Lord never heals according to our understanding; He heals by enlivening. Can you find the term “healing” in chapter five about the impotent man who was sick for thirty-eight years? Was that man actually sick in the eyes of the Lord? No, in the eyes of the Lord that man was dead. The Lord did not heal his sickness; He enlivened that dead man. Therefore, the principle of life through resurrection is that the Lord always enlivens the dead.

Do you think that the Lord wants to heal you? The Lord wants to enliven you. According to the old concept, healing means to reform or to improve you. But the Lord never comes to improve you or to regulate your behavior. He always comes to enliven you. The Lord’s only intention is to impart Himself to you as the enlivening life.

For this reason the Lord refused to go to Lazarus immediately to heal him of his sickness. He waited until Lazarus was thoroughly dead and buried. He waited until Lazarus’ human life had come to an absolute end. Lazarus was so completely dead that he was stinking in the tomb. It was at this time that the Lord came. He did not come before this time because He refused to come on the principle of healing. He came only on the principle of life in resurrection.


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post Mar 14 2014, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(jack~daniel @ Mar 14 2014, 08:39 AM)
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Everyday Bible verses with UW

The Lord IS......

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Psalm 23:1 (KJV)
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.


Shalom Bro n Sis.

2 words, Present Tense.

Present Tense in "The Lord is my Shepherd..."

I want you to put this into your heart and mind and meditate on it.

The Lord is always my shepherd. Yesterday He was my shepherd, Today He is my Shepherd, Tomorrow, He will still be my shepherd.

He always is our shepherd. He is not just any other Shepherd, the Lord is MY shepherd. YOURS, which also means you are special to Him.

The Lord IS

What does a Shepherd do?
He guards and protects the sheep from enemies like wolves. Shepherds leads the sheep to green pasture for food. IF any sheep stray too far, the shepherd will leave the 99 and bring Him Back.
That is how the Holy Spirit wants you to know how our God is. He is the shepherd who protects you, feed you and lead you.

And the powerful truth is that when God is your shepherd (which He is), you will not lack (I shall not want). Why? Because He is the one who provide.

If you have enemies breathing down your neck, God will protect you, If you are in financial need, God will cause situations to work out to your favor. If you need Healing, God is the one who heals, etc and Psalms 23 promise that.
If anyone tells you God has forgotten you or God has left you, bring out Psalms 23:1 and let the truth sink in.

Our job is to believe by Faith and allow God to work in our lives to fulfil his promises.

God Bless.

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post Mar 14 2014, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 14 2014, 12:33 PM)
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post Mar 15 2014, 10:22 AM

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He makes me......

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Psalm 23:2 (KJV)
He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters,


1 Word. Rest.

It's important for you to know that God wants you to be at rest.
The Holy Spirit of God operates on the wave length of peace.
The Bible says Be still and know that I am God.

Psalms 23:2 says
He makes me lie down.....And this is the picture of rest. If you are willing to submit yourself to God, the first thing that He does is to rest you.

Time and time again even Jesus says this, Come to me all of you who are burden and heavy laden and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

Why is rest important? Because that is the time you can hear God. I say you can hear God. and Rest also denotes trust. In the midst of your trouble time,
when you choose to rest in God, you are in essence trusting God to work things out in your life.

The next accompanying verse ...he leads me beside quiet water. Meditate on this. In the presence of God, is peace. Quiet Water.
All your anxiety, your stress, your oppression, frustration, etc come to rest in the presence of God.

This is the life of a Believer of God. While the world may turn in turmoil, we don't have to. Our God rest us in green pasture (providence) and quiet water.
Believe and Trust, your lack will be filled with green pasture and you will rest.

God Bless.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 15 2014, 10:22 AM)
Everyday Bible verses with UW

He makes me......
1 Word. Rest.

It's important for you to know that God wants you to be at rest.
The Holy Spirit of God operates on the wave length of peace.
The Bible says Be still and know that I am God.

Psalms 23:2 says
He makes me lie down.....And this is the picture of rest. If you are willing to submit yourself to God, the first thing that He does is to rest you.

Time and time again even Jesus says this, Come to me all of you who are burden and heavy laden and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

Why is rest important? Because that is the time you can hear God. I say you can hear God. and Rest also denotes trust. In the midst of your trouble time,
when you choose to rest in God, you are in essence trusting God to work things out in your life.

The next accompanying verse  ...he leads me beside quiet water. Meditate on this. In the presence of God, is peace. Quiet Water.
All your anxiety, your stress, your oppression, frustration, etc come to rest in the presence of God.

This is the life of a Believer of God. While the world may turn in turmoil, we don't have to. Our God rest us in green pasture (providence) and quiet water.
Believe and Trust, your lack will be filled with green pasture and you will rest.

God Bless.
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Amen to this !! Recently was kinda worry of my business doing not as well as last time and i prayed every day and night but still see no difference. I need to learn to surrender to god and be still, and know he is god. Thank you for encouragement ! When i read bible i dont feel the power of it maybe sometimes its irrelevant to my need ? Or not what i expected to feed my dailybread ... But ur explanation and picked up bible quotes really straight to the point like god is directly talking to me ! Thanks and glad that we have one wonderful prayer warrior here amen
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post Mar 16 2014, 02:53 AM

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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/me...?iref=obnetwork

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QUOTE(TankerGadget Store @ Mar 16 2014, 01:25 AM)
Amen to this !! Recently was kinda worry of my business doing not as well as last time and i prayed every day and night but still see no difference. I need to learn to surrender to god and be still, and know he is god. Thank you for encouragement ! When i read bible i dont feel the power of it maybe sometimes its irrelevant to my need ? Or not what i expected to feed my dailybread ... But ur explanation and picked up bible quotes really straight to the point like god is directly talking to me ! Thanks and glad that we have one wonderful prayer warrior here amen
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Mar 16 2014, 02:53 AM)
Why? The researcher himself said this

"It doesn't necessarily mean the stories are fiction or that there is no grain of truth in them. It doesn't mean Abraham wasn't a real figure; he can still be a real figure.

And in the same article:

Naturally, not all are in agreement with the study's conclusions. Alan Millard, a professor of Hebrew and ancient Semitic languages at the University of Liverpool says that while he doesn't doubt the radiocarbon dating, he doesn't believe it disproves that camels existed in the Patriarchal Age.

"The archaeologists were working in a valley south of the Red Sea, but the stories place Abraham in South Iraq in Ur and in Southern Turkey in the area of Harran before coming to Canaan. The fact that there were no camel bones from before 1000 BC in the south of the land doesn't mean there were no camels anywhere else," he says.

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