can sponsor me 2 tixs for Noah?

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I heard Noah, not gooding ???

you guys should see grace unplugged.

Now that's a real Christian movie.

I have a question about the entirety of 1 John Epistle

What will happen if a chritian passes on with resentment against his family. It says those who hate his brother has not known god. Does this also mean he died without God's forgiveness? @_@

And also imperfect habits like grumpiness and stuff that's against the fruit of the spirit

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Apr 2 2014, 05:41 PM

Well, we can start from the viewpoint of Matthew first. The Lord's speaking on the Mount was to His disciples (not unbelievers), which represents, the believers. Yet, the Lord touches on the relationship between fellow believers in the kingdom. When most Christians read Matthew, they do not realize that this book deals not only with the doctrine of the kingdom, but with the practical kingdom life.

Even, Peter's question in Matthew 18, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Until seven times?” (v. 21) shows that believers still can hate. Of course, the Lord's answer, “Jesus says to him, I do not say to you until seven times, but until seventy times seven.” Seventy times seven means that we must forgive others an unlimited number of times. There is no need to count or keep a record of the number of times you forgive others. Over and over and over, you need to forgive them.

Verse 34 says, “And his lord was angry and delivered him to the tormentors until he should pay all that was owed to him.” This refers to the Lord’s dealing with His believers at His coming back. If we do not forgive the brother who sins against us, we shall be disciplined by the Lord until we forgive him from the heart, that is, until we have paid everything we owe. Then the Lord will forgive us. This is forgiveness in the kingdom. This implies that if we do not forgive a brother from our heart today, we shall not be allowed to enter into the kingdom in the coming age [the reward].

Many Christians do not understand this portion of the Word. Verses 34 and 35 indicate that the one who does not forgive his brother from his heart will be under the hand of the tormentors until he forgives everything. Certainly such a one is a saved one. Nevertheless, he is given over to the tormentors for a period of time. This does not mean, however, that he is cast into prison forever. Rather, he will be tormented until he pays the debt, that is, until he forgives his brother from his heart.

Today most Christians believe that as long as they are saved, there will be no problem in the future. But in this parable the one who refuses to forgive his fellow slaves is not a false Christian, but a real Christian. You need to realize that it is possible for a real Christian one day to be delivered to the tormentors. Perhaps you will say, “The Lord Jesus will not do this to me. I have never robbed a bank. I have always been righteous and have not mistreated others.” But the Lord may say, “No, you didn’t rob a bank or damage anyone, but you have not forgiven your brother from your heart.” According to God’s mathematics, to forgive is to forget. However, you may not be willing to forgive those who have offended you. This is a serious matter. If you claim to be in the kingdom life in a practical way, why then are you not willing to forgive others from the heart? Your unwillingness to forgive causes you to lose the kingdom life (the reward).



.................. Definitely, John knew this from his days with the Lord and experienced this .........................

In 1 John, you will noticed he uses words like walk (living according to), abide continuously, stay in fellowship etc. Though we possess the divine life, it is still possible for us to sin if they do not live by the divine life and abide in its fellowship. In other words, we did not enjoy the daily salvation (Phil).

It is interesting to note that in 1 John 2:1, "... and if anyone sins, we have an Advocate ....". The word sins used is an aorist subjunctive , denoting a single act, not habitual action.

It is possible for a child of God to hate someone occasionally, but no regenerated person should do this habitually. If you hate others habitually, there is a question whether you have received the divine life. This is similar to committing sin. A believer may commit sin occasionally, but he should not do this habitually. If you sin habitually, this will also raise a question as to whether you have received the divine life.

Hope that helps ... (too long )

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 2 2014, 07:42 PM

Good that you're reading your bible.

Do you know that the fruit of the Holy Spirit does not comes through your own strength or striving?
Remember what God says? Not by might nor power but by his....?

Principal is very simple.

The way to the fruit of the Holy Spirit is not through "forcing" or "trying" but understanding.

And the Epistle of 1 John 2:15-16 (KJV) explains it perfectly.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Notice the word there, Love of the Father? Not Love for the Father? (* meaning you don't know the love of the Father)

Jesus says those who are forgiven much will love much. (Luke 7:47)

If you combine these 2 scriptures (luke & john) God is basically saying, you will start loving much when you know you're forgiven much.

And Many Christians today are still not convinced that God the Father loves Him/Her much and has forgiven Him/Her completely on account of His Son Christ Jesus. They are still "trying" to earn that forgiveness and thus with this half filled understand, it produces the very same character of loving half way and resentment half way.

@Pehkay would this match with the concept of Purgatory of Catholic theology?

can if you are a non christian

good to see u online UW !

It's pretty impossible to forgive everyone in this life. There will always be something unresolved or people one don't like.

http://www.answers2prayer.org/bible_questi...ness/saved.html

I am doomed if it depends on my ability to forgive to get to heaven!

NOOOOOOOO. Purgatory unfortunately is a great perverse teaching of salvation (no offence to Catholics).

There is an unclear understanding of salvation which produce this system of error which taught that persons who are disposed for eternal salvation but do not obtain it before the time of their death can obtain it only after being completely purged in purgatory.

It even come to unscriptural practice of praying for dead believers with a superstitious ..er .. view that prayers along with material offerings and mass are able to relieve and shorten the sufferings of souls who are on their way to obtain their eternal salvation in purgatory.

Well, not about heaven. But YES, it is IMPOSSIBLE to forgive in our natural ability. Forget it. Condemn it. There is no way to do it in ourself. And forgiveness is not about losing your salvation. There is no such thing.

Our inability to forgive others lies in our dispositional anger, lust, riches, and ambition. All these problems are within us. We are people full of pride and that anger is hidden in our disposition. No matter how patient or forbearing we try to be, anger is still deeply rooted in our disposition. This is what makes it difficult for us to forgive others. Furthermore, we are troubled by lust and riches, both of which damage the kingdom life. Finally, there is the problem of ambition. Matthew purposely covers these five problems in his Gospel to show that we must take care of them in order to be in the kingdom [not about losing salvation but living the christian church life today]

This is why in principle, all the kingdom people must be little children. To be humble is to be like a little child. If we are not humble, we will either be offended by others or we will offend others, that is, we will either be stumbled by others or stumble others. All stumbling takes place because of pride. If we were not proud, we would not be stumbled.…If a little child is offended, the offense will be forgotten in just a few minutes. But once adults are offended, they are stumbled because of their pride. Furthermore, the stumbling we cause to others also issues from our pride.

Just bring the matter of your not able to forgive others to the Lord. Let His resurrection life do it for you. Enjoy His grace and let Him work out the salvation in you. The Lord is THE KINGDOM. The more you enjoyed and experienced Him, the more His "forgiving others" life grows in you. Stop trying to forgive. It will not work. Just contact the Lord first and foremost.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 3 2014, 08:40 AM

QFFR if they unban Noah in marehsia

You are right.

It's impossible to depend on own ability. I discovered that some time ago it's rather disastrous to even try to.

But it's not impossible for God to work through you, if only you learn to let go and let God to come in and love you, bless you, provide for you, carry you, guide you, protect you, etc.

Stop trying to give to God, rather start learning to RECEIVE from God.

The Bible say We will reign in Life meaning RULE in life the moment we learn to receive God's gift of righteousness and his grace (Romans 5:17).

Think about that, how powerful this truth will help to empower your life.

good to see you in here too.

I think Noah will have same treatment as Passion this time around.

Tickets all sold through churches and such. Private screenings in cinema.

At least, I hope they do that instead of banning outright.

hi
God bless u all

Does the Christian believe in Karma?

Various religious practices believe in Karma and they claimed that the reason why we come to this world is to burn off all our Karma.

However, in our daily life, I noticed a lot sucker who acted beyond moral to get what they want and seen a lot of them climbing up the corporate ladder. Some of them even success to become Director.

Perhaps god has the plan but not letting me know.

What is your view on this? Mind to share.

p/s: I am not a Christian.

My view is that people act the way they do and without boundaries because they don't believe that there is a God who care about them.
So they engage in survival of the fittest warfare but that is where the problem lies. It makes the term rule of the jungle comes very much alive causing much unnecessary evil.

For Christians who found comfort in knowing that God will provide all their needs, they don't have to feel insecure to engage this rule and step on other people's toe to get what they want. And it's also true that not every Christians have this kind of faith. But those who do, they live life with lesser stress.