That the prosperity gospel is heresy and a deception amongst God's people.

prosperity is allowed in the gospel, don't you ever read it? the word prosper does not mean getting riches all over, it can mean other thing too



This post has been edited by De_Luffy: Sep 20 2013, 02:04 PM

Before you comment anymore, you should watch the vid and understand what THE Prosperity gospel is all about.

yeah, especially don't make own pre-text out of the context

Don't worry or hunt for Prosperity, Seek Jesus Christ.

When you seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness all the things you need in your life will be given.

or you can say;

God's grace and blessing aka God's prosperity will come after you.

Good day everyone!

I have a little conversation to share here, it's posted from my friend in facebook news feed.



What do u think of what he had said?

What does the Scripture says? And how will you know who God predestinated anyway?

This post has been edited by pehkay: Sep 23 2013, 01:45 PM

Jesus once said, The days and hours are unknown, which could be meaning saying that we will not know who is going to heaven and who is not

but Jesus also said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life........no one goes to the Father except thru me"

John 3:16 say "For God so loved the world that he sent His only Son that whoever believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"

Jesus also say, "in my Father House, there is many rooms, i am going back there to prepare the rooms for you".

amen
may the god bless us here

Hi everyone.

Shalom and erev tov!

I had replied him with these,



Then he replied me with these;

Haha, at least he is funny ... IMHO, creative thinking is good but not for the use to doubt/question God's Word just because we can't reconciled God's predestination (and yes, is not about going to heaven ) and man's free will in one unified framework. One can either stands on one extreme, saying that God is unfair to others because He does not predestinated him/her .... though (in one sense, who are we as creature to tell God what to do ... after all, He is God )

Maybe I did posted on this last time ..... (maybe not ...memory failing perhaps )

There is a principle seen in the Bible (in Exodus on Pharaoh): the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart. The argument concerning this is related to whether God hardened Pharaoh’s heart or Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Regarding the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart, Moses uses various expressions. In 4:21 God says, “I will harden his heart.” However, in 8:15 Moses says that Pharaoh “hardened his heart.” Furthermore, in 9:7 we are told that “the heart of Pharaoh was hardened,” and in 9:35 that “the heart of Pharaoh was hard.”

In the universe there are three things that cannot be denied: God's sovereignty, God's mercy, and man's free will.

God's sovereignty

The Bible says clearly both that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart and that Pharaoh hardened his heart himself. Some of those who do not believe the Bible argue that God was wrong in hardening Pharaoh’s heart. At the time Paul wrote the book of Romans, such arguments had already begun. Therefore, Paul appealed to God’s sovereignty and asked, “But, O man, who are you that replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to him who formed it, Why did you make me thus?” (Rom. 9:20). In the next verse Paul goes on to say, “Has not the potter authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make one vessel to honor and another to dishonor?” Here Paul says that as the Creator, God has the sovereign authority to do whatever He likes. Who are we to argue with Him? We need to recognize that we are clay and that God is the potter. He has the authority out of the same lump to make one vessel to honor and another to dishonor. He has the right to make vessels of wrath (v. 22) as well as vessels of mercy (v. 23).

God's mercy according to His will and sovereighty

God’s mercy is according to His will. In Romans 9:18 Paul concludes, “He has mercy on whom He wills, and He hardens whom He wills.” We cannot explain why God has willed to show mercy to us. The only thing we can say is that, according to God’s will, the mercy of God has been extended to us. Regarding this, the Bible is emphatic. According to Romans 9:18, God may will either to show mercy or to harden. This is illustrated by the cases of Moses and Pharaoh. Moses was one to whom God willed to show His mercy, whereas Pharaoh was one whom God willed to harden. In Romans 9:15 Paul quotes God’s word to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” This indicates that the mercy shown to us is altogether according to God’s own will.

Free will

Did God firstly harden Pharaoh’s heart, or did Pharaoh take the first step to harden his own heart? Consider your experience in believing in the Lord Jesus. Was this initiated by you or by God? Surely it was initiated by God. However, you did the believing. Before I was saved, I had no thought of God. My believing in Christ was neither planned nor initiated by me. I have the full assurance that the source of this was God Himself. He planned it, initiated it, and scheduled it. Before I was saved, I was not willing to believe in Christ. However, one day I spontaneously became willing. According to my experience and yours as well, God took the first step to cause us to believe in Christ.

In the same principle, God took the first step in the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart. Before Moses had his first confrontation with Pharaoh, God told him that He would harden Pharaoh’s heart (4:21). However, in the case of our salvation, God initiated our believing in the Lord Jesus, but He did not execute it by believing for us. God planned that we should believe, but we ourselves had to believe. Likewise, God firstly hardened Pharaoh’s heart, then Pharaoh carried out this hardening through his own free will.

Here we see God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. Instead of being contradictory, these two correspond. Pharaoh could not escape responsibility in this matter and place it all on God. He had his own free will.

On the one hand, we must worship God for His sovereignty, but, on the other hand, we must fulfill our responsibility. God’s sovereignty does not contradict our free will, and our free will does not contradict His sovereignty. If we see this, we shall humble ourselves under God’s sovereignty and spontaneously take up our responsibility. We shall say, “Lord, everything is according to Your sovereignty. Nevertheless, I must carry out my responsibility.” The more we are willing to bear our responsibility, the stronger is the sign that we have been predestinated by God.

The Bible firstly says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. But the Bible also says that Pharaoh hardened his heart. This shows both God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. Suppose, however, that we have the attitude that because everything is according to God’s sovereignty, we are not responsible to do anything. This is a sign that we have denied God. Pharaoh could not absolve himself of responsibility, and Moses could not boast of his deeds. In this way, God shut every mouth. Moses had no room to boast. Neither did Pharaoh have an excuse not to bear responsibility.

Predestined does not mean the guy has no freewill of his own.

I believe God can arrange many pre-situations to rope the guy in. To rope him in means to convince him by signs and wonders.

Even if the guy run to another country trying to escape his calling, He'll be convicted over there with the situations over there.

But at the end of the day, He still need to make a declaration of his own. A choice of his own.

You must understand that God is not in the business of predestined people to Hell.

You'll never find such verses but the opposite.

Luke 9:56
For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

jesus save all the human kind
mighty god give path choose for human

Yes in our Faith it is God who saves us, not us.

We cannot save ourselves because we are not perfect.

One of the writer of the Bible says it like this.

If you break one law it is as good as breaking all of them and thus disqualifying ourselves from God's Salvation.
So what Hope is there?

Under the New Covenant in the New Testament, we let go of our effort and receive freely the gift of God's Salvation via Jesus Christ.

hey guys, wanna share this link with you, if you ever heard of ICEJ or full name for international christian embassy jerusalem, a organisation responsible to aliyah to all the jews who is long to return to jerusalem

right now they are celebrating feast of the tabernacle right at the heart of Israel, En Gedi

http://int.icej.org/live

Good Sharing.

sharing this post link to my friend

This post has been edited by skydrake: Sep 25 2013, 11:08 AM