Well you can but you'll just end up going in circles.

That was what happened to the Israelites, they took a 40 year journey into the promise land when it could have been just less than a month.

God has the best interest for your life and there is a reason why He's given the title of All Knowing.

I believe whatever God directs in our life is the best in the long run.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 4 2013, 12:59 AM

the point is when you come to the judgement seat of Christ, you have no excuses because all your deeds will be laid in front of you (initial judgement after death on earth) and of all people (during the 2nd coming)

He is a just God. That is why our reasons are really, excuses. not reasons.

Our reasons and conscience come from God.

I dont think I am for one, will make up with any reasons even though I may feel like defending .

Hence this is why, I ask for Lords Mercy and I pray. I know I am assured Salvation yet I pray. something which Bro Unknown Warrior view me as 'not having enough faith' and something I view as, personal assurance of salvation is not said to be guaranteed in the Bible. all use future tense.

So I was hoping tomorrow he can explain to u and in turn I learn from it.

Here is a profound mystery.

And I say this reverently,

If you admit you're 80% good and 20% bad, Jesus is only effective 20% for you.

God looks for imperfect people because it is unto his Glory.

I'm no where near perfect.

But Yet God uses me.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 4 2013, 01:16 AM

ok tomorrow then.

Good Night.

7 characteristics to Faith

Faith is knowledge and trust. It has seven characteristics:

Faith is a sheer gift of God, which we receive when we fervently ask for it. - unless you mention 1 john 5:11-13. which i agree on. ..... nope some of them incl still havent personally received personal assurance in terms of intervention from Him.

Faith is the supernatural power that is absolutely necessary if we are to attain salvation. ok this i agree

Faith requires the free will and clear understanding of a person when he accepts the divine invitation. this part is tricky as predestined and freewill stuff ok lets dont mention those about it

Faith is absolutely certain, because Jesus guarantees it. i agree if Jesus is not a canman by himself

Faith is incomplete unless it leads to active love. totally agreed

Faith grows when we listen more and more carefully to God’s Word and enter a lively exchange with him in prayer. i am trying on this, so far no progress

Faith gives us even now a foretaste of the joy of heaven.


If a parachutist asks the clerk at the airport, “Is the parachute packed safely?” and the other man answers casually, “Hmm, I believe so”, then that will not be enough for him; he would like to know it for sure.

But if he asked a friend to pack the parachute, then the friend will answer the same question by saying, “Yes, I did it personally. You can trust me!” And to that the parachutist will reply, “Yes, I believe you.” This belief is much more than knowing; it means assurance.

by the story you telling me... you are trying to prove that all we need to do is to accept Christ as our personal savior. but what happens when the friend of parachutist is just trying to betray him? and how to know that his friend are truth worthy? anything to prove besides the bible?

because bible is true if and only if jesus if true, and we can't really use it as a instrument to test the validity of jesus because it is written for him....

i feel that we should be at least given enough wisdom and knowledge to accept His action towards us. much wisdom is needed but i felt that every1 was even insufficiently

He is not your personal personal Saviour. You can say so but that term is over-exaggerated. Christ came to save all. ALL means ALL.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Exodus Chapter 3 God replied, “I am who am.”
John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"



invalid. First, is the Bible inspired word of God?
If you said yes,
it means that the people who wrote the scriptures are inspired too.
Therefore, their testimony given is trustworthy. We call it, Infallible since its inspired.

God uses men, like bro Unknown Warrior says, despite our imperfectness, yet He understands our limitations, but all to His Glory.

Are we not living witnesses of Christ enough?

Historically, there are proofs of Christ on earth, there are many proofs of Christ also, during His ministry and witnesses accounts to hundreds of people who witness the Pentecosts, 5000 that He fed.

Yes, we are living now in an age where Science and Reason tells you something concrete, can be measured, can be proven.

I am here to tell you, Faith is that step BEYOND our human reasoning. Faith means putting up with Gods incomprehensibility for a lifetime.

You know oxygen exists, but you do not see it. How do you know it exists? Science tells you?

Science measures. God is immeasurable. Our human mind deals with logic and reasoning. We often forgot there is one thing beyond, one thing which is Existence itself.

That requires Faith.

I have answered Olgac4 something before, I think is applicable here

thats right. You have to have faith. Faith is the Door. Without faith, nothing. You have to first open your heart to the Truth

Matthew 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

God wants us to have knowledge of Him and what he expects of us.

But equally important is having wisdom. Knowing facts about God and the Bible is not all there is to having wisdom.

Wisdom is a gift from God. James 1:5 states “But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.”

Wisdom is what God will bless us with in order for us to glorify Him with the knowledge we have of Him.

The book of Proverbs is perhaps the best book in the Bible to study when seeking to learn biblical wisdom.
Proverbs 1:7 also clearly explains what it means to have biblical knowledge: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

When we fear the Lord, which is the most basic form of knowledge, God can then begin to provide us with wisdom through Jesus, whom the Bible says is wisdom itself.

“But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30).

Knowledge is what is gathered over time through study of the Scriptures. It can be said that wisdom, in turn, reveals itself by acting upon that knowledge.

In other words, knowledge manifesting itself in any given situation through wisdom. If one lacks knowledge, he will also lack wisdom. The two go hand-in-hand.

Therefore have faith in Him. Holy Spirit will work through you and give you the knowledge you need and seek for

Found for angel:


^ this indicates they stand ready before the glory of the Lord. Perfect righteousness as in perfect perfect. Not you nor me who are still on earth inclined to sin/impure thoughts

Found some more for saints
^ dont tell me they are not your brothers and sisters ... that is why if put in context with Timothy letters, it became good reason that saints in heaven are approachable for intercession.

I wish to know how you understand by this
If they are not approaching God with their intercessory prayers or our intercessory prayers, then what?

This post has been edited by Jedi: Mar 4 2013, 03:52 AM

I was a very proud individual.

People always tell me you're the captain of your ship, look out for No.1, Be the Man, no one can tell you what to do, etc.

But the whole problem is, I can't see the future.

Today I know how stupid those advises can sound, because in the past, making it as a mandate for my life I steered my own ship, I've made enough mistakes in life that's so costly, I've suffered.

Today even though I'm old enough to make whatever decisions I want in Life, I rather (gladly) surrender every decision to God Almighty for lessons learnt.

Now I let God help me steer my life decisions, while I sit back and be at peace knowing God has the best interest in my future.


Read this bro and take it to your heart.

Jeremiah 29:11 (NIV)
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Does that mean you can break/ignore the ten commandments as Jedi implied?

Preaching to people is warfare with people?



You better get your theology right!

Paul did that VERY oft........


1And it came to passin Iconium, that they wentboth together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake , that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed . 2But the unbelievingJews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affectedagainst the brethren.3Long time therefore abode they speaking boldlyin the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and grantedsigns and wonders to be doneby their hands.4But the multitude of the city was divided : and part heldwith the Jews, and part with the apostles.5And when there was an assault madeboth of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully , and to stonethem,6 They were ware of it, and fledunto Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and unto the region that lieth round about:7 And there they preached the gospel * .

When there is INTERPRETATION

It APPEARS that for charismatics, using scriptures to correct is seen as JUDGemental.

Poppycocks

Doctrine is important

13Till I come , give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.14Neglectnot the gift that is in thee, which was giventhee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting mayappear to all.16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doingthis thou shaltboth savethyself, and them that hearthee.

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to makethee wiseunto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17That the man of God may beperfect, throughly furnishedunto all good works.

I can understand what you said because I've struggled with this identity problem for sometime, How is it that God call me righteous but my actions doesn't seem to cut it. The answer lies when you know, Is your identity with Christ or still with yourself?

Jedi, I think you don't understand When God imputes His righteousness on us, He sees nothing but his righteousness on us and call us clean and righteous and the Bible record we have been made Holy.

There is no such thing as "seemingly" or temporary Righteous because our God is not seemingly when He declares all the things He has done, when He created the Heavens and the Earth, it is without wavering. When He spoke, it happens. The same with His promises. There is no seemingly. They are all assured!

Why is it that you're still hankering after your own righteousness? Why do you see your own imperfection when God see perfection on you?

The Bible has made it very clear, that our own righteousness is as dirty as filthy sanitary rags. It is done away with.

Sorry (Well not really sorry but I'm glad) to say this but our identity is gone. It has been crucified together with the death of Jesus Christ.
If it's gone, it's gone, don't resurrect it back again.

You like to see how impure your thoughts are, how disobedient you are, you always focusing on yourself.

When God sees you, He sees the finished work of Jesus on you and in you.

Learn to see what God sees. (Romans 4:17) - and calls things that are not as though they were. If God says we are Righteous, don't argue back saying but God, I......... See? We are always trying to reason with God.
When you failed, Learn to declare God's word on you by saying, I Am Righteous because Jesus made me righteous apart from works. I've been made righteous by grace.

Listen.

If you say you are righteous because your thoughts are righteous, then you put yourself under the Law of the Old Testament, coming to God via your own righteousness.

If you still want to keep on going back to how impure you are, how you have failed, you're in essence saying Jesus Sacrifice at the cross is not perfect. It is a half way job. You're crucifying Him over and over again. This is exactly the context why The Bible says we have insulted and trampled the Son of God.

You know why? Because we don't agree with God. The New Covenant Righteousness is not about your works but your Faith and your Believe.


Next.

Angels of God takes orders from God, never from Man. This is indicated when Jesus said in John 8:28, I do nothing of my own.....but as my Father...

Angels are not greater than the Son of God.

When we pray to God, God will instruct Angels, not when we pray to Angel.

Next.

1 Corinthians 4:9 talks about the humility and servant hood of the Apostles. Where the First shall be the last and the last shall be the first. It talks about their suffering and being made spectacle to the world like Men condemn to death.

What's got to do with approachable for intercession? Nothing that talks about intercession.

Next

Revelation 5:8.

I believe the incense of prayer in the golden bowl refers to the saints on Earth because Saints in Heaven are already there. Did you not say Angels spoke direct with God in Heaven seeing His direct Glory? Why do Saints in Heaven need their prayers transferred to a bowl of incense if both the Saints and the Angels are already in Heaven?

You Tell me.

How can you break it if it has been nullified?

On Spiritual Warfare, a very scriptural approach



http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/mm/mm_06

Do you seeeee tha part where it mentioned the word of his grace?

Yours are graceful words? Sound more like words of judgement.

Please refer back to write up about Speaking in Tongues, all questions have been addressed.

It's in the previous page.

Don't talk about interpretation to me if you don't know the context.

Well I've asked you for the umpteen time, have anyone in your attempt to correct them, received the Truth by your method of reproof?