Speaking of key hunting, I find WD is the best key hunter among all my heroes.

Everything is ezpz up to MP8. And I could just facetank all of the key-wardens.

Yes, i took out pierce the veil too. Forget about paper DPS.
Real & consistent damage in actual game is way better than paper DPS.
I just spam my bears with "infinite" mana.

PtV is useful only if u use low mana spell such as GB @ Splinters as main dmg dealer ... for those using Bears its best not to use PtV
Another thing .. if u use Bears with 1h+mojo setup ... avoid using EF (high attack speed & fear is non beneficial to Bears) for best result try get a low speed 1h with high min dmg ... a rare spear imo is the best choice.
Blood Ritual, VQ used in conjunction with Widowmakers are good passives to use so that u can spam Bears endlessly.

noted.
btw, is zunimassa is a must? the final set bonus has 20mana regen and 10mana per kill.
full zunimassa set is also not cheap right? i hv about 90m only

If u plan to use Bears .. full zuni set is a must .. more so if u go 2h setup (u lose mana regen on mojo)
As a WD, how well u manage ur mana is key to survival @ dps.
Basic Zuni set is not that expensive .. most expensive Zuni item would be Pox with chc, followed by Vision with chc.
Note: best roll marrow = 2xx vit @ %reduction against elites ... %melee reduction is also handy
for Trail = AR roll can be quite expensive as well.

Yes, full zuni is a must.
It comes in handy. You need mana for spamming bears.

I even picked mana generation over crit chance % on my Zuni's Vision.
I sold my 4.5% cc Zuni Vision and replaced it with mana generation mask.

And good news for you is, mana generation Zuni mask is cheaper than cc%

I prefer CC over Regen...

But based on what Aleune said, I think I can drop the CC and pick a regen... But is there Zuni Vision with regen? I need the full set regen as well though

Anyway I want the Paper DPS to look NICER lol that all haha...

And as for 1 handed weapon, I think Manajuma give a huge boost as its also have the Poison Damage stat in place, which I think contribute to your DPS as well... Anyone can confirm this?

Btw I kind of hate the Fear effect in EF...

@Aleune - Solo Keywarden, you using Hex as well right?

Even though my build is quite OK but I didnt even try soloing MP6 and above, quite time consuming and I dont think it worth it....

If calculated, my 2 run in MP4 = 1 run in MP7

But key hunt maybe more worth it maybe I try key hunt at 7

This post has been edited by sandvillage: Jan 29 2013, 12:06 PM

In my case 40% CC is enough to crit often so that it replenish my health pool from my Skorn's LS (600-800k crits can fill up my health pool quite fast)
Yup there is Vision with mana regen which is way cheaper than CC roll .. if u alrdy hv high enough CC .. go for mana regen cos it'll help u spam more bears.
The thing i dont like about Carving Knife is its low min dmg .. overall u will see more low min dmg crits .. plus its attack speed is quite fast ... a "black" rare spear will gain more dps from %poison dmg of Trail compared to Carving Knife.

This post has been edited by Gecko: Jan 29 2013, 12:08 PM

For Zuni's vision, you can only pick either cc or mana regeneration.

Paper DPS is not good for WD.
I used to have 200K paper DPS. I had to change all my gears for bears and C4 dog build.
The real damage is much higher than paper DPS.
My C4 dogs build only has 85K paper DPS.

CC is important. Just that we can't have both worlds, especially I lose 1 ring slot for SoJ.

Yes, I use Hex in key hunting.
It is so easy with WD up to MP8.
You know, it is not easy to facetank A2 key warden, even for barb and monk.
(DH is easy in A2 key hunting because he/she just needs to shoot in long distance. Not really facetank it).

If i do solo, I don't really go lower MP.
MP7 is the lowest I go. I do MP8 most of the time with WD.
I normally spend 20min per run (only for the keys).

I tried 1H weapon + mojo for bear build.

I had to revamp & change my gears for 3 reasons.

1) Bears don't like fast attack. Mana drains fast. 2H-Skorn + a 9% Witching hour is just nice for my build (1.09 attack speed)
2) 3% LS is not enough, especially when we encounter RD elites. To have more LS%, Skorn could be the only option.
3) Yes, low min damage on 1H weapon gives you lower damage, generally.

roll a DH. problem solved.

You are just asking ppl to eat noodle when ppl is having problem eating rice =.=

Then your 85k C4 dog build, give how much damage generally...?

Currently my 1h + Mojo build, minimum giving me 500K to 1M damage...

Seems like need to change my gear... hmm wait till i hunt a skorn with LS lol

As of now, even with my current attack speed, took out PtV I ave no issue with mana so far...

@Gecko and Aleune

Also, using skorn with bear, isnt that the bear come out slower?

I kind of not comfortable with the slower animation, cuz I walk run bear lol...

Yes, you'll feel a bit slow in the beginning.
It is okay once you are surrounded by bears.
For pure bears build, your bears will keep ramping into the target until it is killed.

The video that you saw was recorded with my old gears (with 1.0 attack speed).

For normal 1H + mojo, you can't persistently spam your bears due to mana issues.
So, the real damage may not be the same as you see on the screen.

You can test it yourself. You can use Ghom @ MP10 as a benchmark to find out your real damage per second.

Something we did in this thread.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jan 29 2013, 02:46 PM

i prefer my bear to run slower for the few reasons:
1) less mana draining
2) if my bear run faster ... few crits will be wasted when my health alrdy is full ... with current slower bear .. i get hit in between bears n next bear crit will heal me up to full ... as long as i can keep spamming bears i can facetank n stay in middle of fight while leeching back life ... SW only to avoid freeze @ reposition against arcane .. descrator @ plague pool can just stand n leech np

non stop bear spam = constant dmg output altho paper dps is lower
faster bear but need to kite during 0 mana = dmg is not constant
plus min dmg of Skorn is higher than max dmg of 1h+mojo ... so u see higher crit/yellow numbers

This post has been edited by Gecko: Jan 29 2013, 03:22 PM

500k to 1M damage? Wow.

are u sure?

oh wait.. total damage or per bear??

This post has been edited by 2890: Jan 29 2013, 03:34 PM

Interesting... look like time to hunt good skorn to test this... btw my current attack per second is 1.98, is it to fast?

mine is 1.17 aps (9% from TWH & 8% from Inna Temp) and i rarely run out of mana (throw Widowmakers once in between bear spam to keep VQ regen up) .. with your aps u might run out of mana 2x faster than me
imo faster bears on white mobs is wasted as they will die from 1st bears .. it might kill elites/ubers faster IF u can maintain mana to keep spamming bears which i think is impossible to do unless u stand next to a 0dog WD which grants u mana regen from Gruesome Feast.
try get at least 125x Skorn with min 5.5% LS + 160% CHD ... i'm sure u'll notice the difference ... even ur Widowmaker has more dmg .. not to forget ur Garg will hit harder as well (Bruiser & Restless Giant do 200% of ur weapon dmg)

I didnt get what you mean by total... you mean add up?

Yellow number per jump... Is that total or per hit?

The yellow number comes up is around 500k to 1m