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 Witch Doctor Discussion v2, Who let the dogs OUT!

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cheer83
post Jan 14 2013, 03:59 PM

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^^ that mojo exp ?
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post Jan 14 2013, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Jan 14 2013, 03:59 PM)
^^ that mojo exp ?
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yep... that mojo and soj fuh...
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post Jan 14 2013, 06:14 PM

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Homunculus -19 is 80 mil and above

SoJ -7 is 100 mil and above

Aih, giving up on 0cd zdogs for now. Focusing on zombie bears

IMHO ias do play a role in bears. Effect is significant especially in ubers. If you are using Skorn, your bears rate is slow. If you using 1h + mojo, your bears can come out very fast

This is important as bears animation is slow. If your AS is slow, the bears will also slow. For smart enemies like succubbus or shaman, they will run away after you cast the bears so speed plays a role too

Tips for 1h mojo bears:
- stack up on cc and chd. AS 9% enough
- if you stand with your back against a wall, your bears will come out in a straight line. Great for ubers or elites
- using widowmakers, honored guest, VQ/Spiritual attunement and blood ritual will greatly enhance the bear rates

When fighting SB über, I stand against the wall then spam bears in straight line. When mana is half or little less than half, I SW/HG. Hold down the bear button while doing all this. You will get around 8-9 cast worth of bears

My friend WD got 200+ k dps but he use tal Rasha chest and lacuni. Also got ias in rings/gloves I think

He can crit bears around 2.5 mil but his mana regen is low even with SW/HG.

In the end you have to balance speed and dps lor. I prefer things to be thick and fast. The 1h mojo build is very similar to Ice/Lightning sorceress in diablo2 so I love it more than Skorn.

My 2 cents

This post has been edited by whyseej00: Jan 14 2013, 06:16 PM
ALeUNe
post Jan 14 2013, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Jan 14 2013, 03:09 PM)
Hope can help for wd party , this video make me want to roll a wd  tongue.gif

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There is a CM Wiz in the game.
The game play is totally different.

4 WDs party can't freeze the uber bosses.
We need to run and attack again.

Please roll a WD. We need you. laugh.gif
ALeUNe
post Jan 14 2013, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Jan 14 2013, 03:59 PM)
^^ that mojo exp ?
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The most expensive is the SoJ ring.
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post Jan 14 2013, 06:34 PM

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As for me, I can't fathom the gameplay mechanics of wd hence not able to commit myself. Furthermore, I'm not truly fond of getting pets to deal fatal damage to targets.

This is just me, no offence meant to wd fans.
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post Jan 14 2013, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Jan 14 2013, 06:34 PM)
As for me, I can't fathom the gameplay mechanics of wd hence not able to commit myself. Furthermore, I'm not truly fond of getting pets to deal fatal damage to targets.

This is just me, no offence meant to wd fans.
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Noooooo... please build a bear WD. thumbup.gif
cheer83
post Jan 14 2013, 08:26 PM

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can zombie bear hybrid with suicide dog ?
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post Jan 14 2013, 11:09 PM

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im an ex wd user but would love to build a zombie bear set so guys could u give me a bit of tips wad to avoid n which stuff to stress on? previous post when i ask bout gearing service meaning i give u gold n u gear for me from AH with service fee tat u charge. not an expert in AH anyway.
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post Jan 14 2013, 11:26 PM

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but anyway if nobody is doing tat its ok...im still learning as well hopefully can make a powerful zombie bear build....so hopefully sifus here can teach me a few tips...
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post Jan 14 2013, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Jan 14 2013, 08:26 PM)
can zombie bear hybrid with suicide dog ?
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in theory it can be done but quite hard since requirement for each build is different:
suicide dog favors ias & doesnt need mana/mana regen
zombie bear doesnt need ias & needs mana/mana regen

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:09 PM)
im an ex wd user but would love to build a zombie bear set so guys could u give me a bit of tips wad to avoid n which stuff to stress on? previous post when i ask bout gearing service meaning i give u gold n u gear for me from AH with service fee tat u charge. not an expert in AH anyway.
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It would help if u give more details such as:
- which mp (highest) u plan to play/do farming
- what kind of budget u hv to spend
- u plan to go 1h+mojo @ 2h

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post Jan 14 2013, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 14 2013, 11:29 PM)
in theory it can be done but quite hard since requirement for each build is different:
suicide dog favors ias & doesnt need mana/mana regen
zombie bear doesnt need ias & needs mana/mana regen
It would help if u give more details such as:
- which mp (highest) u plan to play/do farming
- what kind of budget u hv to spend
- u plan to go 1h+mojo @ 2h
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mostly i farm at mp1 for xp n loot farming and also for FUN. but like my barb i can tank in mp10 alone n uber as well...but then again i prefer to farm in mp1-3 jus for fun...budget mayb around 500m. 1h mojo or 2h depends on which suited more with zb build
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post Jan 14 2013, 11:50 PM

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my current wd sucks...i build it from a 10m budget...haha.....jus for fun...cant even farm in mp1 efficiently.
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:08 AM

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also i wanted to know if zombie bears build can also include acid cloud skill...gonna need a lot of mana n faster mana regen build
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:49 PM)
mostly i farm at mp1 for xp n loot farming and also for FUN. but like my barb i can tank in mp10 alone n uber as well...but then again i prefer to farm in mp1-3 jus for fun...budget mayb around 500m. 1h mojo or 2h depends on which suited more with zb build
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500m is quite a lot .. for that amount of budget u can build a WD that can farm high mp.
2h & 1mojo both hv their pros & cons .. personally i prefer 2h since 2h wpn (esp Skorn) hv very high base dmg which results in higher crit dmg per hit .. slower attack speed of 2h also favors Bears since it wont burn mana too fast .. i'll go into pros & cons of each maybe tomorrow .. its alrdy late n i need to sleep biggrin.gif

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:50 PM)
my current wd sucks...i build it from a 10m budget...haha.....jus for fun...cant even farm in mp1 efficiently.
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i build my wd initially with 40m .. startup zuni set with 1h+mojo which i slowly upgrade n finally switched to 2h now ... i can farm efficiently up to mp7 .. mp8-9 will be a bit slow with ocassional death .. mp10 is risky lolz

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 15 2013, 12:08 AM)
also i wanted to know if zombie bears build can also include acid cloud skill...gonna need a lot of mana n faster mana regen build
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if u gear up ur wd for zombie bear build, definately u can use it as well for acid cloud (which is useful in lower mp speed farming) .. for low mp u dont need very high mana pool & u can get mana back very fast using Sacrifice/Pride.
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 15 2013, 12:37 AM)
500m is quite a lot .. for that amount of budget u can build a WD that can farm high mp.
2h & 1mojo both hv their pros & cons .. personally i prefer 2h since 2h wpn (esp Skorn) hv very high base dmg which results in higher crit dmg per hit .. slower attack speed of 2h also favors Bears since it wont burn mana too fast .. i'll go into pros & cons of each maybe tomorrow .. its alrdy late n i need to sleep  biggrin.gif
i build my wd initially with 40m .. startup zuni set with 1h+mojo which i slowly upgrade n finally switched to 2h now ... i can farm efficiently up to mp7 .. mp8-9 will be a bit slow with ocassional death .. mp10 is risky lolz
if u gear up ur wd for zombie bear build, definately u can use it as well for acid cloud (which is useful in lower mp speed farming) .. for low mp u dont need very high mana pool & u can get mana back very fast using Sacrifice/Pride.
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let me know ur battle tag i can add u up n see how is ur build n gears.... mine is jstndng#1729 but i seldom play now...waiting for new patch only mayb more often...at the moment im jus surveying n reading to gain more knowledge bout wd...
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:45 AM

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Completed my ZD 0CD build.

Still need some finetuning.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ALeUNe-6127/hero/25402752
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post Jan 15 2013, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 15 2013, 12:45 AM)
Completed my ZD 0CD build.

Still need some finetuning.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ALeUNe-6127/hero/25402752
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congratz bro..
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post Jan 15 2013, 03:47 AM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 15 2013, 01:29 AM)
congratz bro..
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Thanks.
I didn't get SoJ because it's too expensive for me.
I got a Skull Grasp + Sever (instead of having +2x% elite damage bonus, i opt for demon damage bonus).

Low paper DPS but high real damage per second.

Suicide dogs and zombie bears are the viable builds for burst damage.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098/+254

It's fun to play. Just need to spam key like CM Wiz. laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 15 2013, 03:47 AM)
Thanks.
I didn't get SoJ because it's too expensive for me.
I got a Skull Grasp + Sever (instead of having +2x% elite damage bonus, i opt for demon damage bonus).

Low paper DPS but high real damage per second.

Suicide dogs and zombie bears are the viable builds for burst damage.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098/+254

It's fun to play. Just need to spam key like CM Wiz.  laugh.gif
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I like your idea of getting rare helm with reduce ZD cd and skull grasp..
it is very effective and economic nod.gif

will learn from you when i want to play the 0cd ZD...hehehe

btw the the skull grasp cost you how much?


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