QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:16 AM)
Not so fast my friend..
First of all, we're all adults here right? And since its a forum we're all entitled to our own opinions without quick to draw arms at each other; And bro I respect you for voicing out your opinion towards the assumed "total cost" of PcWork's cable, but bro before you conclude, heres my opinion.
Apparently your case did not include one VITAL factor, and that is RESEARCH. You see, you have been comparing the price of each make-up piece of the cable, and other assumed "untung" figures, but clearly you have not taken into account the time, resources (like materials) and funding's needed to Create that one single connector with a Specific Sound.
Why everyone is so hooked up the word research? Its already done by the cable manufacture..
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:16 AM)
SpringBiscuit made a good statement that what we all are paying eventually is the value of the sound, how much its worth. And to produce it, PcWork and his team requires a lot of time and funding's needed for their research, and REMEMBER, its not JUST for ONE cable, they are creating Multiple cables for that caters for different setups.
If I may say, you don't seem to know anything about doing business
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
incoming parther.. and i believe my previous comment has just made your case clear.
and
PS, your previous post did not Mentioned anything about the things I've stated in my previous post, I shall quote your previous comment
"cost for this two thing is totally difference, same goes here. The cable manufacture will be clearly state in datasheet what the cable they produce is capable."
Your implying that the total cost of a cable is merely by the cost of each makeup material alone, hence there is NO need to refer to your previous post.
Read again my friend.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
You also did not mentioned the material make-up of your "cheepo cable", and I dont see how does the material of your "cheepo cable" could justify the materials used in PcWork's cable.
Its just normal copper cable used for audio. Heck, even the seller in Jaben don't know what cable it is.. LOL, if I know what is the cable used in the "
RM80" cable, there is no need for all this, I think Jaben should be more responsible to what what are they really selling.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
And finally, you claimed that your cheepo cable produces and i quote "cheepo cable can produce the same quality audio and the RM80 cable and plus the cheepo cable produce more crispy vocal", again, your perceived hearing is highly subjective to everyone else's hearing and I believe that statement is clearly Invalid.
I think i have a good hearing and I have enough listening experience to differentiate between SQ.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
What you did there by just merely creating a direct copy of PcWork's cable by sourcing parts which you "assumed to believe" are identical, granted they looked identical, but obviously you have not invested the time and efforts into creating one yourself but instead copied directly from him. Its like you re-creating a recipe from Jamie Oliver's recipe book and claims he overcharges them at his restaurant while you clearly failed to take into account that Jamie's time, efforts and also you failed understand the fact that Jamie Oliver himself came up with his recipe.
Are you kidding me? is there any difference(see picture)? or do you want to say I have sight problem?
Too bad he din patent his work. I cant do anything about it
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
Again, please come up with a suitable rebuttal statement with clear backed-up facts before posting them and FYI, i quote
"Expected this kind of reply, refer to my above post" is never a smart way of replying but in fact shows your lack in factual statements and utterly.. being Lazy.
I think i have showed enough to back up my statement, and for my "Expected this kind of reply", is because some of the peeps here illustrated in the pic below and they are the who will reply.. I've seen that
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Bro, again I respect your opinion, but somehow I find that your opinions are plainly biased and are back by assumptions rather than facts.
Because there is no info what is that "
RM80" is made of, so i assume its a cheap cable since the cable that I bought for RM2.40 per meter(see recipt) can produce better quality sound, if you don't believe, you can come over to my place and test for yourself
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
First of all, creating a cable And coming up with the pricing Are Equally Rocket Science. Yes you heard me right.
Is your choice to believe its a rocket science or not, but if its really a rocket science, then why dont we see rocket goes up to sky everyday like cable comes up to market?
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
I'm sure a guy with 7years of experience in Creating Web App would understand. I'm gonna touch this subject lightly as I do not want to deviate from our main topic. Putting a price tag involves more towards the Business side of things (which is another kind of rocket science) as a pricing of a object must strike a balance between, Cost, Profit, Perceived Value and Actual Value. Period. If you need to know more, you need to dwell into the Psychology side of things like Psychology analysis on the General public through surveys and research.
Second, please do not bring up sensitive and non-related issues like our car maker Proton. I believe since you're 7years of experience suggest that you're matured and old enough to realise the true intention and background story of our beloved car-maker Proton, (their car build quality is HIGHLY subjective) hence I shall not reiterate again. Again, Proton has NOTHING to do with PcWork's cable.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Thirdly, you claimed you have 7years experience in creating Web App now and by working with big companies you are entitled to charge RM100K? But its not ethically correct? In that case, how much would you charge someone for using/buying your Idea? This is a highly subjective topic as it touches things I've mentioned in my FIRST POINT. And if you ASSUMED that creating an audio connector cable is NOT rocket science, but then I don't see a lot of people venturing into this business, since you've stated the COST for making one is CHEAP.
First of all, you cant buy or sell idea.
I can't do anything if not a lot people venturing into this business, I don't have any right over them what they want to do.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
If I may apply to your case, I can ASSUME that Creating a Web App is easy job, but then again WHY would you sell them to companies at high prices (since you say its ethically incorrect), again, ETHICS are a highly Subjective Topic. I too have tonnes of experience in creating web app myself, so please, if what/everything we do is easy, the world would be a better place to live in. Would you even consider selling me the same/slightly modified but equally sophisticated version of the ones you sold to Petronas at a considerably lower price perhaps?
Can't you see the relation here?
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Fourth, one thing I DO NOT AGREE with is that you blandly accused of PcWork using reengineered cable? What fact does this accusation based upon? Have you personally met him and record his cable making progress? Again, highly subjective and I do recommend you retract that statement.
Butthurt?
Its super obvious the cable is engineered by the cable manufacture, he just use the cable to create a interconnect cable.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Fifth, please post/reply opinions based upon hard
facts but not your gut feeling, and of course, a
professional (I assume) like you would re-check their grammars and spelling before posting something, Lazy is never a reason to slack off in quality.
Then go read my post, there is fact from my side, there is no fact that the cable cost that much to create .
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