yo thanks for the citation, but the first link isn't working

Lol th exrx chart. Probably more skewed to the populous.

In no way at all I consider myself to be at the level it shows I am.

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/...tandardsKg.html

Its supposed to be this one..but if doesn't work, try googling "exrx deadlift standard"..

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Added on October 26, 2012, 7:54 pmWell I supposed it depends on a lot of factors..eg if you're a bodybuilder, such strength focus would be skewed as you are not training for maximums but more on hypertrophy sets..

The standard I believe is based on numbers from powerlifters and it also doens't stated your arms length, heights etc..

So, don't be to serious in it..I just post it for sake of knowledge and knowing your current strength standards..

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Added on October 26, 2012, 8:00 pmWhen I started lifting, my weight is at 55kg but my focus is building up upper body strength eg chest so most of my mass goes to upper body..I started serious deadlifting with regimes at beginning of this year.. before that I just do it with wrong form and for the sake of fun.. I did my first one rep max 100kg at bodyweight 73kg..but that doesn't count since I'm new to deadlift and most of my mass is on chest.. My one rep max bench is around 100kg at 73kg BW..

Currently lifting one rep max deadlift 140kg..started out with 5x5 80kg early this year (2012)..Current weight is at 77-78kg with 3-4kgs goes to leg mass..

This post has been edited by Seasick85: Oct 26 2012, 08:00 PM

That's for 1RM or for reps?

Don't you guys get scared of going 1rm? I do 110kgs for 6 reps. I don't even reach failure. Once I feel like I can't make it anymore I'll stop. It feels like hell trying to keep the back straight when I can't anymore. Never dared doing a 1rm. Don't think I ever will. Btw, I started doing 100kg dls at 65kgs. I don't do dls much. Only Romanians to work on Hams.

what was your 1RM? i recall it to be like close to the 200kg range or has this been broken?

for testing your true 1RM, i wouldn't do it after sets for reps were completed. usually we'd save it for a 1RM testing day so to speak for you go for singles. ofcourse you warm up to the weight with maybe 5's or 3's but once you get close to your 90%, it's singles all the way.

you should try it and commit to it even if it means grinding through because most of the time, you get stuck at your sticking point so add some accessory work that will aid you in surpassing that point.

Yeah still the same. Working on raw deads for now. But I really don't think I'm there yet. Not by a long shot

haven't you been lifting raw all this while? just an fyi, raw lifts can include a 13mm belt, wrist wraps, neoprene elbow and knee sleeves too. time to break that 400lb milestone, eh?

Lol regardless, my raw consists of no belt, no straps. That's my definition of raw. Almost locked out 180 today, dammit.

yeah, i personally think you don't need the equipment until you are trying to jump from advanced to elite levels of weights for each of the lifts but in the long run, they do help prevent injuries especially wrist wraps for presses and the knee sleeves during deads and squats.

if you've problems at lockout, i'd suggest adding some accessory work such as good mornings and speed pulls (@75-85% of 1RM). heavy (90-95%) rack pulls from knee or slightly below should help with improving your lockout. modfying your stance a little comes to mind too.

You mean 140kg? its 1RM..I know its kinda weak, but I've only trained deadlift less than a year..early this year my 1rm is only 100kg.. so it's some improvements there..

Targeting 180kg++ by next year off course!

Oh yeah, my deadlifts are RAW, only with my bare hands n foot and mixed grip!

This post has been edited by Seasick85: Oct 27 2012, 08:57 AM

Not sure why the hostility towards @fabians94, but what he stated are mostly correct & he was just pointing out the fact.

Well, other than shorter arms v longer arms question, where longer arm has better advantage due to Work = Force x Distance (Google: Lamar Gant, he has freakin' long arms). Therefore, distance shorter, easier to lockout (which is the rule of power lifting).

@fabians94: & we live in a society (Malaysia) where most people, including certified trainer, would ignore squat (proper, "pass the knee depth" full squat, not the "don't pass your knee depth" bullshit partial squat recommended by most trainer). Let alone a trainee would include deadlift in his training program. & even if they did, the so called trainer most likely would teach the wrong version (partial Deadlift, Romanian Deadlift or whatnot). Therefore don't be surprise that most people can't out-deadlift their so called squat.

@Seasick85, but anyway, I would recommend you to read "Starting Strength", or other people who thought they knew how to deadlift. "How to perform deadlift" is completely covered in the book. & it's available in piratebay if you don't mind leeching.

Rackpull or partial deadlift has their place in programming (for advance trainee to improve their >200KG deadlift), but for overall strength purpose, "traditional" deadlift is better due to complete ROM (range of motion) & practicality (lifting things from floor, that's what we are most likely to encounter in daily life).

Good luck.

Look at it this way. PR numbers are mainly for your own motivation. Its fine if people post numbers here and expect praises, but you better be able to back up your claims when someone calls you out for it.

I'm not aware that there are that many powerlifters here. There aren't any competitions here either so if your squat isn't at legit depth, how does it matter?

I'm not condoning partial squats, but if I see someone in the gym partial squatting x nos of plates and then brags it out to everyone, I'm not gonna call him out. Would you?

Ultimately its about YOUR progress. If you choose to cheat, you're cheating yourself.

Most of you here are probably bodybuilder types (including myself) with the major liifts thrown in. Have you seen a powerlifters training regime? Totally different from bodybuilding.

Look at the big picture here.

And the issue about "functional strength" is just bull tbh. How often do you pick up and straight bar from the ground weighing in excess of 100kgs? Deadlift is just as functional as a bicep curl.

Surprised you didn't call out fabian on his form though, I would think seasick has an alright form.

Not picking sides here but the hip movement at the bottom of the lift is not a good thing.

Firstly, You've kinda mistaken of what I'd said. I'm not saying we have to follow powerlifter standard since there are a lot of different powerlifting body & therefore they have their own rules exist which I dont really care. So that's out of topic.

I'm just merely point out (& I can see that you do agree with me), that performing full Range of Motion (RoM) of the exercise safely is important, & it benefit the trainee more. Be it bench press, squat, deadlift, or pull up. That is why you bench until the bar touches your shirt, & lock out at the top, not just a heavy 1cm motion & call it a day. Same to deadlift & squat.

Back to the your question, so is pointing that out a wrong act? Well.. you seems to think so. Of course we do understand it's up to personal progress & trainee's knowledge. A trainee might not know that Range of Motion is important (or perhaps he has different objective, which is why I said "For Overall Strength Purpose"), so letting him know is a sin now?

Regarding functional strength, IF I can deadlift a 100KG barbell, it means I have better chance to lift a 90KG refrigerator to first floor via stairs together with a strong friend, agree? How is that not functional? Would you have me to move the refrigerator with you or a untrained girl? The answer is obvious.

Same situation above, would you have lift the same 90KG refrigerator with me? Or a dude who just train in curl? Let me assure you there's a lot of "curl-only" bro exist in gym.

So how is curl more functional than deadlift?

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Added on October 27, 2012, 1:15 pmIf this is the case then there should be a lot of casualties in powerlifting & olympic trainings/competitions. & yet strong people & legends with unimaginable lift occur. Even legendary bodybuilders perform squat and deadlift in proper form, because it is safe & they know how to do it (google: "Arnold Squat" & look at how deep he goes).

Yes I do agree spine injury or injury to muscles relating to back is scary, that is why education is important rather than just calling it a taboo.

& that's is why I recommend @Seasick85 to read the book, IF he is interested in performing the exercises properly & safely.



This post has been edited by QwertyKen: Oct 27 2012, 01:15 PM

Sounds pretty good on paper but, have you actually pointed it out to a trainee about his squat depth, for example? Is he grateful? Or did he just brush it off as useless bro advice? Nine out of ten would probably tell you to mind your own business.

If its close friends its another matter, but to get through to guys you don't know its does not end positively.

Case of your fridge scenario. Sure you can pick up the fridge, but moving it up the stairs you'll be having problems too, same as anyone who don't do deads at all.

You want functional strength from the gym, do strongman stuff.

Try carrying cement bags from point A to B. Sure I can lift the 50kg bags from the ground easily enough, but my workers can walk a hell lot faster than me carrying said bags, and make more trips, too. No, my workers don't do deadlifts.

Thanks. However, I think that if I do the same thing as Fabian94 did, which is full ROM for deadlift, I'm gonna screw up my form from bottom up to my knees..the only reason you see my form is ok bcoz I only did partial deadlift..and I'm glad to know that my form from just below my knees to lockout is ok from your comment..

Later on I need to show you the full ROM maybe in the next few days.. after that, hope you can give an honest comment so that I can improve myself..which what I wanted to be and for myself..

I was wondering why did u ask seasick to read it, and not fabian as well?

Forgive me if I don't understand your post

To me, I've quite understand the basics of deadlifting and its form from various journals, papers and even I've look into some videos and tutorial by Mark Rippletoe..word by word..please refer to below link for starting strength by mark rippletoe:

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Lifts

However, since I'm new, that I don't have the confidence towards my form, I feel that it is better for me to get some insight and advice from those whom have been doing it for quite some time get their inputs..after that, I'll study the form again and try to see how I can improve my form..

That is how I do it.. I believe technical lifts really need to stress out on the forms otherwise you're screwed..

I meant that chart. 140kg isn't weak anyway, I too have been training for roughly 5+ months and only doing 110kg 3x5 at the moment, haven't tried for PR's yet.