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post Oct 24 2012, 12:07 AM

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^ this.

hinge at the hips and pull your shoulders back. if you need to, drop your hips a little lower.

when testing maxes, face the fact that form will suffer, usually at the shoulders with it rolling forward but never should it be about your lower and upper back.

if upper and/or lower back form starts to break down, cut the weight by 10% and work up again to your next max testing day.
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post Oct 25 2012, 02:26 AM

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Yeah thanks for your advice, however I've just started this year, my deadlift is the worst compared to other lifts..

Just wanted to ask you. about hinge at the hips and pulling shoulders back, is it the same as arching your back and pulling your chest out during bench press? Meaning to say that it will improve your deadlift power?

Well, I see this one personal who pulled 220kg for 2 reps, which is almost his max, and still his form is the same as he is pulling 50% of his max..yeah form will suffer but as long as lower back is straigth should be no problem..

Thanks again! Will try my best to improve the form..its hard if you got bench press and squat together in your regime..it's like dividing all your power for the three big lifts..
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no, you don't arch your back as when you bench. you need to keep in mind that when you deadlift, you should have a flat back (ie. neutral spine). it also helps to pack your neck (try to make a double chin, that's basically it).

the process of hinging at the hips allows for the bar to be pulled in a vertical manner up and along your shins and passing your knee. the moment you start to pass your knees is when your hips track back into place over your knees allowing your body to be in the upright position.

you pull the shoulders back to both further pack your upper back/neck region and to remove any slack before you start your pull. if you let your shoulders roll fowards, you might not have stayed tight enough throughout the lift making it a little bit more difficult and possibly effecting shoulder health in the long run.in the long run.

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post Oct 26 2012, 01:04 AM

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read my post again. i had mentioned "no, you don't arch your back as when you bench" implying that you don't arch your back for the deadlift but you do arch your back when you setup for a bench.

i am however quite confused on your pov on arching for a bench as in you seem to be both for and against it. as i am working towards my first powerlifting meet next year, we adopt the highest possible arch as possible with legs tucked back into the bench to shorten the bar travel, provide leg drive during the 'press' command and the stabilization of the upper back on the bench to provide a solid foundation to press from.
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post Oct 26 2012, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(jackwylde @ Oct 25 2012, 11:08 AM)
shorter arms, no. longer path.

shorter PERSON, yes!  hmm.gif
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i've seen the down's syndrome powerlifter league and those short guys can really pull some impressive numbers!
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post Oct 26 2012, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 26 2012, 05:45 AM)
Lol th exrx chart. Probably more skewed to the populous.

In no way at all I consider myself to be at the level it shows I am.
what was your 1RM? i recall it to be like close to the 200kg range or has this been broken?

QUOTE(kubuk @ Oct 26 2012, 09:13 AM)
Don't you guys get scared of going 1rm? I do 110kgs for 6 reps. I don't even reach failure. Once I feel like I can't make it anymore I'll stop. It feels like hell trying to keep the back straight when I can't anymore. Never dared doing a 1rm. Don't think I ever will. Btw, I started doing 100kg dls at 65kgs. I don't do dls much. Only Romanians to work on Hams.
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for testing your true 1RM, i wouldn't do it after sets for reps were completed. usually we'd save it for a 1RM testing day so to speak for you go for singles. ofcourse you warm up to the weight with maybe 5's or 3's but once you get close to your 90%, it's singles all the way.

you should try it and commit to it even if it means grinding through because most of the time, you get stuck at your sticking point so add some accessory work that will aid you in surpassing that point.
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post Oct 27 2012, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 26 2012, 11:18 AM)
Yeah still the same. Working on raw deads for now. But I really don't think I'm there yet. Not by a long shot
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haven't you been lifting raw all this while? just an fyi, raw lifts can include a 13mm belt, wrist wraps, neoprene elbow and knee sleeves too. time to break that 400lb milestone, eh?
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post Oct 27 2012, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 26 2012, 11:28 AM)
Lol regardless, my raw consists of no belt, no straps. That's my definition of raw. Almost locked out 180 today, dammit.
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yeah, i personally think you don't need the equipment until you are trying to jump from advanced to elite levels of weights for each of the lifts but in the long run, they do help prevent injuries especially wrist wraps for presses and the knee sleeves during deads and squats.

if you've problems at lockout, i'd suggest adding some accessory work such as good mornings and speed pulls (@75-85% of 1RM). heavy (90-95%) rack pulls from knee or slightly below should help with improving your lockout. modfying your stance a little comes to mind too.
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post Nov 3 2012, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(Seasick85 @ Nov 2 2012, 05:29 AM)
Managed to pull off today's evening.. 135kg deadlift one rep max dead from ground, dalam keadaan mengantuk coz jus woke up during that time..not so much different from the rack which is 140kg.. smile.gif
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in my head, it's as if you just got out of bed, saw the bar on the floor and decided to go for a 1RM laugh.gif . no warm up sets even?!
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post Nov 3 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Seasick85 @ Nov 2 2012, 04:28 PM)
Yeah, how do you know? lol..actually the time gap from me woke up and lift it from the floor is around 1 hour..but still sleepy..warms up with bar, 60kg, 80kg, and 1 rep of 112.5kg..
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Jokes aside, no stretching? If you plan to be in the game for the long run, I'd strongly recommend it before doing any work though.
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post Nov 5 2012, 04:29 AM

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QUOTE(sickboy @ Nov 4 2012, 07:06 AM)
Would like to ask that, for beginner, I should avoid mixed grip right.
As read from stronglift guide, beginner should stick to overhand grip.

Anyone facing traps imbalance problem due to deadlift.
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don't over think the grip you use. if you're worried about any imbalances from using a mixed grip, you can always switch the way you grip with the mixed grip.
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post Dec 27 2012, 11:47 PM

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Mixed grip. Chalk added when testing maxes or heavy singles.

Nice to see more people deadlifting heavy.
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post Dec 28 2012, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(sickboy @ Dec 27 2012, 11:54 PM)
Is my DL routine correct?

After reps set ( 2 sets normally) of warm up, I go pyramid up with singles only. And I started mixed grip at beginning of my singles.

My main goal is Back development > strength
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i agree with mike in that if you're doing singles, you should be pulling at around the 90-95% of your 1RM.

for back development, you might want to consider including some bent over barbell rows and lat pull downs on top of your deadlift to get a thicker upper back.

 

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