So.. you're saying.. in a bodybuilding forum, giving good advise is against your rules huh? Ok. Perhaps I should be careful of your sensitive feeling.

& Please read carefully again on my scenario.. did I mention it is a 1 man job? Hmm wait.. nevermind. I gave up.

I don't get what you're pointing at. It seems to me you're trying to say getting stronger beyond 100kg squat/deadlift/bench is pointless. & yet, Franco Columbu, old school bodybuilder can bench 238kg, deadlift 340kg, squat 300kg. So you're trying to advise that we should.. don't go heavy & just lift & we will naturally become big.. in a bodybuilding forum? Or you're saying bodybuilder can't lift over 100kg? I'm confused.

What does 50kg cement bag has anything to do with replacing barbell? /scratch head

/facepalm
/shakemyhead
/leave forum

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Added on October 27, 2012, 5:03 pmGlad I'm not the one who knows Rippletoe

Anyway, by all means, 140kg 1RM is not light! Your deadlift ability should be better than you think. If you can partial deadlift that weight, I don't think you should worry about ~100kg 5RM @ floor, then work your way up. But you're the one who should know your own limit & capability, so perhaps try some warm up set to test your real 5RM.

Having a strong lower back is more important than treating deadlift as taboo imo. Good luck!

This post has been edited by QwertyKen: Oct 27 2012, 05:03 PM

what was wrong at the bottom of my deadlift?

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Added on October 27, 2012, 5:03 pm

Glad I'm not the one who knows Rippletoe

Anyway, by all means, 140kg 1RM is not light! Your deadlift ability should be better than you think. If you can partial deadlift that weight, I don't think you should worry about ~100kg 5RM @ floor, then work your way up. But you're the one who should know your own limit & capability, so perhaps try some warm up set to test your real 5RM.

Having a strong lower back is more important than treating deadlift as taboo imo. Good luck!

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Ok. Hope that we can discuss in this thread peacefully with constructive arguments, MikeHuan n QwertyKen..

Yes, 140kg is not light for me but it may be light for someone else.. I've just starting to like deadlift even more when learning how to do it correctly.. I've also think the same way as you do, which is trying my max on the floor..after that, maybe I'll try to set up according to strength program eg 5x5, 3x5 etc..

My warm up sets consist of less than 50% max for 2-3 sets..so assuming my max on floor is 130kg..then..

Eg:

Warm Up sets

1) Barbell x 10 reps
2) 40kg x 5 reps
3) 50kg x 5 reps
4) 65kg x 5 reps

Working sets of 5x5 110kg..

however, need to test this first out.. dead start from floor.. bare hands and feet with mixed grip.. oo yeah..

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Added on October 27, 2012, 6:17 pmI though you mentioned before that your hips raise faster than the weights?

This post has been edited by Seasick85: Oct 27 2012, 06:17 PM

Besides that?

and i asked you, have you ever advised people you dont know about their form? not in the forums but in your gym.

and what does moving a fridge with your friend has got to do with deadlifts?

the discussion was about functional strength and you managed to contradict yourself on your own point, lol. funny stuff.

Besides that, your form looks ok to me, though its only my personal opinion..have you check out my link on starting strength?

This one:

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Lifts

Learn more about bottom lift and learn the tips and techniques for nailing that strength of yours towards good deadlift 140kg for 4 reps at BW 68kg is no joke..I'm at 78kg and managed to pull it once only..so make sure to make full use of ur strength rather than pin pointing what you don't currently have.. Just advicing..

i was asking mike doe

Oh sorry..i guess you didn't want to hear my thoughts..

I think Qwertyken is fabian's friend.

Thank you for your helpful "observation" and "facts".

So just because some people squat with poor form or not to depth thus everyone who has a heavier squat than deadlift MUST be doing sissy half squats right? Clap clap clap bravo mate you just blew my mind!!!

A few years of lifting and a one or two niggling injuries later you may change that opinion. That is, if u do actually have the discipline to stay in the iron game and not run your mouth and run off a few months later when the going gets tougher and the gains slower like so many noobs.

Good day.

as sheldon would say..'it's like talking to a wall!'..
fabs starts nitpicking at weird shit..starts justifying himself then gets his b*tcH to stand up for him later...
let's move on!!:)

265 for 5 reps. a PR for me today.

Should've taken a video man..

i don't usually record a video unless its for my form check.

i don't think i`m struggling too much to maintain my form.
might try to add another 10-20 pounds next week and see..

This post has been edited by jackwylde: Oct 30 2012, 08:57 PM

Ok..make sure to take video then to check on ur form..or even try one rep max..

So that's the same thing in an open forum?


& do I need to always remind you that you said deadlift & curling provides the same benefit in terms of functional strength & conclude that curling is as good as deadlift? You also mentioned being strong or ability to handle heavy stuff is rare or useless since according to you, one simply does not involve in carrying more than 100KG, therefore deadlifting >100KG is pointless.

Which leads to the lifting an huge refrigerator with a friend, via stairs to first floor example, to illustrate to you, that who would you prefer as a lifting buddy? A bicep bro or deadlift bro?

I made this example to illustrate to you that how deadlift simulate carrying heavy stuff from the floor, since it uses the similar muscles group, & in addition deadlift involves more muscle than bicep, & thus more useful overall compare to bicep curl.

If the said lifting buddy's deadlift's 1RM is 100KG, 2 people lifting 90KG refrigerator means the strength required is approximately 50% from 1RM of 100KG, therefore strong enough to help you lift & also move the awkward shape refrigerator via stairs. This illustrate to you that ability to lift 1RM does not mean it's useless, as the stronger you are, the easier the task to move several heavy stuff. Also, the stronger your 1RM is, the better you ability to handle huge or awkward shape object.

Unless moving a heavy stuff from a floor is useless to you, since you've got a 24 hours workers stand by just to help you lift stuff even in non-working hours, I guess? Or ask yourself, what do you curl in daily life? Think about it.


You need to start working on your reading comprehensive skill.

kays. whatever you say man. gonna go deadlift 180kg raw for a PR. wish me luck!

Nice "constructive" feedback.

But I do not know him.

Apparently hatred is strong here.

Another person failed in reading comprehensive apparently. Or maybe you can't understand what does it mean by "most people", which means majority, not entirely.

I believe MikeHuan has already answered that most people are afraid of doing deadlift. & JoeBlow also mentioned it's because he does not train deadlift as often as squat. But of course my post does not reflect either of them.

I'm merely pointing out that most trainers in Malaysia give shitty advise & information due to the lack of education in both squat & deadlift. Therefore more people can squat higher than deadlift, just saying.

So why the hate again?

good luck, have fun when completing your PR !

*I sesat*

I just lift.