DOMS means nothing, you can go for 15 reps - 30 reps & still get DOMS.

Regardless of he's a douche or not, I would agree to go with 1 set of 5RM (Rep Max) for deadlift. If you're approaching 12 reps then I suggest you to try 5RM & add 2.5kg each time like what Starting Strength suggest (a book, highly advised to read, or look for e-book)

Your traps & back would go amazingly thick when you're closer to 100KG (my max approach is only ~110kg unfortunately).

Not sure why the hostility towards @fabians94, but what he stated are mostly correct & he was just pointing out the fact.

Well, other than shorter arms v longer arms question, where longer arm has better advantage due to Work = Force x Distance (Google: Lamar Gant, he has freakin' long arms). Therefore, distance shorter, easier to lockout (which is the rule of power lifting).

@fabians94: & we live in a society (Malaysia) where most people, including certified trainer, would ignore squat (proper, "pass the knee depth" full squat, not the "don't pass your knee depth" bullshit partial squat recommended by most trainer). Let alone a trainee would include deadlift in his training program. & even if they did, the so called trainer most likely would teach the wrong version (partial Deadlift, Romanian Deadlift or whatnot). Therefore don't be surprise that most people can't out-deadlift their so called squat.

@Seasick85, but anyway, I would recommend you to read "Starting Strength", or other people who thought they knew how to deadlift. "How to perform deadlift" is completely covered in the book. & it's available in piratebay if you don't mind leeching.

Rackpull or partial deadlift has their place in programming (for advance trainee to improve their >200KG deadlift), but for overall strength purpose, "traditional" deadlift is better due to complete ROM (range of motion) & practicality (lifting things from floor, that's what we are most likely to encounter in daily life).

Good luck.

Firstly, You've kinda mistaken of what I'd said. I'm not saying we have to follow powerlifter standard since there are a lot of different powerlifting body & therefore they have their own rules exist which I dont really care. So that's out of topic.

I'm just merely point out (& I can see that you do agree with me), that performing full Range of Motion (RoM) of the exercise safely is important, & it benefit the trainee more. Be it bench press, squat, deadlift, or pull up. That is why you bench until the bar touches your shirt, & lock out at the top, not just a heavy 1cm motion & call it a day. Same to deadlift & squat.

Back to the your question, so is pointing that out a wrong act? Well.. you seems to think so. Of course we do understand it's up to personal progress & trainee's knowledge. A trainee might not know that Range of Motion is important (or perhaps he has different objective, which is why I said "For Overall Strength Purpose"), so letting him know is a sin now?

Regarding functional strength, IF I can deadlift a 100KG barbell, it means I have better chance to lift a 90KG refrigerator to first floor via stairs together with a strong friend, agree? How is that not functional? Would you have me to move the refrigerator with you or a untrained girl? The answer is obvious.

Same situation above, would you have lift the same 90KG refrigerator with me? Or a dude who just train in curl? Let me assure you there's a lot of "curl-only" bro exist in gym.

So how is curl more functional than deadlift?

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Added on October 27, 2012, 1:15 pmIf this is the case then there should be a lot of casualties in powerlifting & olympic trainings/competitions. & yet strong people & legends with unimaginable lift occur. Even legendary bodybuilders perform squat and deadlift in proper form, because it is safe & they know how to do it (google: "Arnold Squat" & look at how deep he goes).

Yes I do agree spine injury or injury to muscles relating to back is scary, that is why education is important rather than just calling it a taboo.

& that's is why I recommend @Seasick85 to read the book, IF he is interested in performing the exercises properly & safely.



This post has been edited by QwertyKen: Oct 27 2012, 01:15 PM

So.. you're saying.. in a bodybuilding forum, giving good advise is against your rules huh? Ok. Perhaps I should be careful of your sensitive feeling.

& Please read carefully again on my scenario.. did I mention it is a 1 man job? Hmm wait.. nevermind. I gave up.

I don't get what you're pointing at. It seems to me you're trying to say getting stronger beyond 100kg squat/deadlift/bench is pointless. & yet, Franco Columbu, old school bodybuilder can bench 238kg, deadlift 340kg, squat 300kg. So you're trying to advise that we should.. don't go heavy & just lift & we will naturally become big.. in a bodybuilding forum? Or you're saying bodybuilder can't lift over 100kg? I'm confused.

What does 50kg cement bag has anything to do with replacing barbell? /scratch head

/facepalm
/shakemyhead
/leave forum

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Added on October 27, 2012, 5:03 pmGlad I'm not the one who knows Rippletoe

Anyway, by all means, 140kg 1RM is not light! Your deadlift ability should be better than you think. If you can partial deadlift that weight, I don't think you should worry about ~100kg 5RM @ floor, then work your way up. But you're the one who should know your own limit & capability, so perhaps try some warm up set to test your real 5RM.

Having a strong lower back is more important than treating deadlift as taboo imo. Good luck!

This post has been edited by QwertyKen: Oct 27 2012, 05:03 PM

So that's the same thing in an open forum?


& do I need to always remind you that you said deadlift & curling provides the same benefit in terms of functional strength & conclude that curling is as good as deadlift? You also mentioned being strong or ability to handle heavy stuff is rare or useless since according to you, one simply does not involve in carrying more than 100KG, therefore deadlifting >100KG is pointless.

Which leads to the lifting an huge refrigerator with a friend, via stairs to first floor example, to illustrate to you, that who would you prefer as a lifting buddy? A bicep bro or deadlift bro?

I made this example to illustrate to you that how deadlift simulate carrying heavy stuff from the floor, since it uses the similar muscles group, & in addition deadlift involves more muscle than bicep, & thus more useful overall compare to bicep curl.

If the said lifting buddy's deadlift's 1RM is 100KG, 2 people lifting 90KG refrigerator means the strength required is approximately 50% from 1RM of 100KG, therefore strong enough to help you lift & also move the awkward shape refrigerator via stairs. This illustrate to you that ability to lift 1RM does not mean it's useless, as the stronger you are, the easier the task to move several heavy stuff. Also, the stronger your 1RM is, the better you ability to handle huge or awkward shape object.

Unless moving a heavy stuff from a floor is useless to you, since you've got a 24 hours workers stand by just to help you lift stuff even in non-working hours, I guess? Or ask yourself, what do you curl in daily life? Think about it.


You need to start working on your reading comprehensive skill.

Nice "constructive" feedback.

But I do not know him.

Apparently hatred is strong here.

Another person failed in reading comprehensive apparently. Or maybe you can't understand what does it mean by "most people", which means majority, not entirely.

I believe MikeHuan has already answered that most people are afraid of doing deadlift. & JoeBlow also mentioned it's because he does not train deadlift as often as squat. But of course my post does not reflect either of them.

I'm merely pointing out that most trainers in Malaysia give shitty advise & information due to the lack of education in both squat & deadlift. Therefore more people can squat higher than deadlift, just saying.

So why the hate again?