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 Wizard Discussion v2, Come, all ye arcanists

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peinsama
post Apr 15 2014, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Apr 15 2014, 09:32 AM)
I think meteors are fabulous for its burst damge. I got 3 sets + lord of the rings but my tal rasha amulet suck, i only see 6m frm comet. Hope to get a good one soon.

I improvise this frm wallance's old build smile.gif
If you run 4 elements (disintegrate/AT, archon, tp, sparkflint, deflection, frozen storm) you get 4 meteors if you use a lightning weapon.

In a sustained battle >16s ,the meteors are not burst dmg. Averaging 4 meteor dmg u get 2000% weapon damage over a cdr of 8s => 250% weapon dmg per sec provided your meteors hit the elite. Thats similar to legacy MLW.
Put in elemental exposure u buff your team by 20% dmg. Sick damage.

But its anoying u cast meteors when u break barrels and doors.

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I think you really need a cold strongarm bracers since u play blackhole(blackhole procs knockback which is +30% bonus dmg frm that bracer for 5s).
I never tried azure + LoG before. What do u think of black ice? can it beat archons in terms of comfort and destroying elites.
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Lol wut, even when on frozen storm mode, if it breaks the door.....it will proc the meteor to fall from sky? LEL. Anyway, not really a big issue. Was wondering, whether our CDR will affect the 8 secs cooldown?

I have light of Grace and i must say its not really a bad alternative compare to the likes of disintegrate and frozen orb. Instead of black ice, i used the last skill rune. Seems better for me.




Btw, anyone using storm armor and test the shocking aspect skill rune?
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post Apr 15 2014, 10:16 AM

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I had a Shard of Hate drop for my Crusader friend. It rolled an Int, so he gave it to me. Much love.

It's absolutely a game changing weapon. Went Arc Lightning + Wave of Force for extra lightning dmg on mobs. Did a Ghom test on tor 2 (3 player game). Killed Ghom in 15 secs. The weapon is broken.
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QUOTE(Zelda85 @ Apr 15 2014, 09:45 AM)
Hi i have 1 question here o.0
I just got a fire bird orb, and it seems like it could not be Transmog
is this a bug?
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i got other 2 firebird set too .. but new transmog option never turn up ..
means that i could not transmog other item to look like firebird .. duno it is bugged or not hmm.gif

firebird is cool looking flex.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Apr 15 2014, 10:16 AM)
I had a Shard of Hate drop for my Crusader friend. It rolled an Int, so he gave it to me. Much love.

It's absolutely a game changing weapon. Went Arc Lightning + Wave of Force for extra lightning dmg on mobs. Did a Ghom test on tor 2 (3 player game). Killed Ghom in 15 secs. The weapon is broken.
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Broken? o.O
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post Apr 15 2014, 11:19 AM

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I've been reading.
Black ice is hands down best rune if u solo. 1200% weap dmg over 3s thats 400%dmg per sec and it STACKS. If you kite whites bring them to elites and kill the all the whites and the black ice will eat up the elite like a mofo.

10 easy whites down by RoF creates 10 stacks of black ice(1200x10/3=4000%dmg per sec) not to mention they can freeze frm azurewrath. Thats like archon destruction rune. I guess the only drawback is the aoe of black ice isnt big enuf compared to nexus. In party black ice might not be worthwhile since u wont be taking last hit kills all the time.

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will arcane dynamo affect the black ice?

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post Apr 15 2014, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(hvaly @ Apr 15 2014, 10:21 AM)
i got other 2 firebird set too .. but new transmog option never turn up ..
means that i could not transmog other item to look like firebird .. duno it is bugged or not  hmm.gif

firebird is cool looking  flex.gif
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Class sets can't be transmorged. So no wizard running around in immortal king.

QUOTE(peinsama @ Apr 15 2014, 11:15 AM)
Broken? o.O
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It does way too much damage. 100% procs when you cast spells, no internal cooldown. If I could pump my IAS higher, it'd be even more broken, but I didn't value IAS on my normal set of gear. The lightning streaming off me can crit for 6 to 10 mil, and that's a constant, resource free dmg.
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post Apr 15 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Apr 15 2014, 11:19 AM)
I've been reading.
Black ice is hands down best rune if u solo. 1200% weap dmg over 3s thats 400%dmg per sec and it STACKS. If you kite whites bring them to elites and kill the all the whites and the black ice will eat up the elite like a mofo.

10 easy whites down by RoF creates 10 stacks of black ice(1200x10/3=4000%dmg per sec) not to mention they can freeze frm azurewrath. Thats like archon destruction rune. I guess the only drawback is the aoe of black ice isnt big enuf compared to nexus. In party black ice might not be worthwhile since u wont be taking last hit kills all the time.

edit :
will arcane dynamo affect the black ice?
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Shiet...i dont know it stacks. lol.

Arcane Dynamo...hmm. My only concern is this. If lets say it does affect RoF or Disintegrate, is it safe enough to say the moment i let go of the click, AD will rest to 0? XD
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post Apr 15 2014, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Apr 15 2014, 11:27 AM)
It does way too much damage. 100% procs when you cast spells, no internal cooldown. If I could pump my IAS higher, it'd be even more broken, but I didn't value IAS on my normal set of gear. The lightning streaming off me can crit for 6 to 10 mil, and that's a constant, resource free dmg.
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I think the right word is IMBA. lol
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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Apr 15 2014, 11:27 AM)
Class sets can't be transmorged. So no wizard running around in immortal king.
It does way too much damage. 100% procs when you cast spells, no internal cooldown. If I could pump my IAS higher, it'd be even more broken, but I didn't value IAS on my normal set of gear. The lightning streaming off me can crit for 6 to 10 mil, and that's a constant, resource free dmg.
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Will be nerfed since its a lot better than TF smile.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:29 PM

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Dunno y fire mage are underrated as im having quite some fun with it. tongue.gif

Melt most elite packs in t2 within 10 secs. Even tried Molten Impact which hit 68m crit damage.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MaveZai...4/hero/15123543
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Apr 15 2014, 12:29 PM)
Dunno y fire mage are underrated as im having quite some fun with it. tongue.gif

Melt most elite packs in t2 within 10 secs. Even tried Molten Impact which hit 68m crit damage.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MaveZai...4/hero/15123543
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the fire magic missiles, not sure what it meant in the conflagrate description. Maximum duration as in?
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Apr 15 2014, 12:36 PM)
the fire magic missiles, not sure what it meant in the conflagrate description. Maximum duration as in?
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It will re proc dot damage deal by MM + Conflag to 3 sec.

Something like this.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11915702287

'Say you're doing 100k damage per magic missile hit, and the burn is doing 15k per second. You hit him with 10, it's now doing 150k a second. Keep hitting him and it goes up and up. The issue is that the burn only lasts 3 seconds, so it can "fall off" if you miss too many shots, get frozen, he puts a wall between you, etc.'

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Oya, yesterday for 1st time saw green chest armor drop upon me. Freaking happy 1st sight until i identify with Cain's book...Natalya god dammit.

Nice blessing by god of RNG. laugh.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 12:56 PM

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i think wizard end game will prolly be fire or frost dmg
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post Apr 15 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(xiaosin @ Apr 15 2014, 12:56 PM)
i think wizard end game will prolly be fire or frost dmg
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Cant agree with u.
Arcane has crazy potential as well if u got the gears.

AT/archon with vyr set. You get the archon slow time, 3s cool down tele, initial archon destruction. Archon's right click beam deals 780% per tick(951% if considering improved archon and the bug from vyr set is fixed). If u have temporal flux + TF + archon bubble = very good debuff and archon kite. Not to mention if u fight in very densed white mob area/illutionist elite u'll prolly get buffed over 20stacks = 120% increased dmg. We can beat crusader's dmg with fate of fell for 20s.

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Apr 15 2014, 11:52 AM)
Will be nerfed since its a lot better than TF  smile.gif
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It's a bit different from TF tho. With TF, I can sit back at a distance and spam AT. The proc is very defensive in nature, since it will slow. SoH requires me to face tank mobs. I can do that right up to Tor4, but I think in Tor5 and 6 I will die long before I get the kill. Where SoH shines is with WW barbs. There was a joke going around:

What's the difference between a barb with SoH and one without?
About 3 torment levels.

I totally see this getting nerfed. That's why I'm not rolling my gear to a more lightning based build.
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QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Apr 15 2014, 12:29 PM)
Dunno y fire mage are underrated as im having quite some fun with it. tongue.gif

Melt most elite packs in t2 within 10 secs. Even tried Molten Impact which hit 68m crit damage.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MaveZai...4/hero/15123543
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yes fire wiz is fun as hell. was a fire wiz when i found a wand of woh, melee explode and meteors are fun.

switchd to arcane after got tal chest, better dps but i think i enjoy fire more lol
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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Apr 15 2014, 01:42 PM)
Cant agree with u.
Arcane has crazy potential as well if u got the gears.

AT/archon with vyr set. You get the archon slow time, 3s cool down tele, initial archon destruction. Archon's right click beam deals 780% per tick(951% if considering improved archon and the bug from vyr set is fixed). If u have temporal flux + TF + archon bubble = very good debuff and archon kite. Not to mention if u fight in very densed white mob area/illutionist elite u'll prolly get buffed over 20stacks = 120% increased dmg. We can beat crusader's dmg with fate of fell for 20s.
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same thought, archon is very good at high torment.

need the vyr glove badly, last piece to complete arcane wiz sad.gif

but i dun understand why archon need TF to shine? i thought arcane dmg wand work better?
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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Apr 15 2014, 01:55 PM)
It's a bit different from TF tho. With TF, I can sit back at a distance and spam AT. The proc is very defensive in nature, since it will slow. SoH requires me to face tank mobs. I can do that right up to Tor4, but I think in Tor5 and 6 I will die long before I get the kill. Where SoH shines is with WW barbs. There was a joke going around:

What's the difference between a barb with SoH and one without?
About 3 torment levels.

I totally see this getting nerfed. That's why I'm not rolling my gear to a more lightning based build.
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True fact with barb + SOH. My fren with average gear basically face rolling T5 like no tomorrow.

Blizz should add initial cooldown for the proc damage as just like u mentioned, way broken.

This post has been edited by mavezai1984: Apr 15 2014, 02:19 PM
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post Apr 15 2014, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Apr 15 2014, 12:54 PM)
It will re proc dot damage deal by MM + Conflag to 3 sec.

Something like this.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11915702287

'Say you're doing 100k damage per magic missile hit, and the burn is doing 15k per second. You hit him with 10, it's now doing 150k a second. Keep hitting him and it goes up and up. The issue is that the burn only lasts 3 seconds, so it can "fall off" if you miss too many shots, get frozen, he puts a wall between you, etc.'
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Now i knowing liao. Seems fun mayn.

QUOTE(xiaosin @ Apr 15 2014, 12:56 PM)
i think wizard end game will prolly be fire or frost dmg
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I'm a frost wizard + lightning, although i like to shattered enemies into pieces but i have to tip my hat to Arcane. The sad thing about Arcane is that you need to sacrifice one slot just for temporal flux to make it a complete package compare to cold skills which automatically chill and slow enemies. End Game i will give my hat to Arcane. Support type maybe its either fire or frost or lightning.

I like fire because of its burning per sec. Even now im still considering either to use Blazing Hydra or Frost Hydra. Just that i wish hydra procs EE. Too bad it doesn't. I like Storm armor though. One time lightning strike. Extra 5% damage from EE on enemies laugh.gif


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