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ahhann
post Nov 6 2012, 02:29 PM

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M2K2Land - Ya lo ... LOH too low cause cannot afford. Next plan of upgrade is to change WKL with LS% Now MP 7 solo farm ok ok to survive. Nothing more than that.

peinsama - Baby in disguise hehe. That Tyreal bought cheap cheap only haha. For the movement speed and arcane resistance sake.

Next upgrade path is -> BlckThrn Cross (LOH, Arc, CC, IAS) -> Inna Chest (All rest) -> WKL (LS, Sock) -> Witching Hour (IAS, CD) -> Inna Radiance (CC, Arc).

BTW all the 100k dps monk, any comment on LS%? How it actually work?
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ahhann @ Nov 6 2012, 02:29 PM)
BTW all the 100k dps monk, any comment on LS%? How it actually work?
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while im no 100k dps monk, i think you're still warranted to read the full details on LoH/LS (more towards LS, search this thread for the co-efficiency chart for LoH which are skill based) on the first page
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:32 PM

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we all use 7ss for the same few purpose,
-finishing move to elites or bosses.
-final trump card to dying goblin in high MP
-oh shyt gotta run moments to run+heal+reposition

but the bad part is the moment u jam that button, all elites will lose aggro on you.
serenity doesnt lose your aggro, 7ss does.
ahhann
post Nov 6 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 6 2012, 02:31 PM)
while im no 100k dps monk, i think you're still warranted to read the full details on LoH/LS (more towards LS, search this thread for the co-efficiency chart for LoH which are skill based) on the first page
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I did, and i failed to understand lol ~ Or i should say i failed to picture it.

LOH i can see green number per hit on how many regain hp per hit.
But for LS% i dun see any green number indicate how many hp i regain.
*Was testing using a Wiz on LS%
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(ahhann @ Nov 6 2012, 02:29 PM)
M2K2Land - Ya lo ... LOH too low cause cannot afford. Next plan of upgrade is to change WKL with LS% Now MP 7 solo farm ok ok to survive. Nothing more than that.

peinsama - Baby in disguise hehe. That Tyreal bought cheap cheap only haha. For the movement speed and arcane resistance sake.

Next upgrade path is -> BlckThrn Cross (LOH, Arc, CC, IAS) -> Inna Chest (All rest) -> WKL (LS, Sock) -> Witching Hour (IAS, CD) -> Inna Radiance (CC, Arc).

BTW all the 100k dps monk, any comment on LS%? How it actually work?
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LS item too exp.
i stacked IAS with somewhere1.2k-1.6k LoH only. never had a problem with that.
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 6 2012, 02:32 PM)
but the bad part is the moment u jam that button, all elites will lose aggro on you.
serenity doesnt lose your aggro, 7ss does.
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oh hey someone who understands the concept of tanking laugh.gif
pity my enchantress running for her life laugh.gif

on a more serious note, time to time there are moments where 7ss gets me into deeper OH SHIT sad.gif
or "YOU HAVE DIED"


Added on November 6, 2012, 2:37 pm
QUOTE(ahhann @ Nov 6 2012, 02:33 PM)
LOH i can see green number per hit on how many regain hp per hit.
But for LS% i dun see any green number indicate how many hp i regain.
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no number doesnt mean doesn't leech
just use the formula and calculate yourself

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 6 2012, 02:37 PM
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 6 2012, 02:36 PM)
oh hey someone who understands the concept of tanking laugh.gif
pity my enchantress running for her life laugh.gif

on a more serious note, time to time there are moments where 7ss gets me into deeper OH SHIT sad.gif
or "YOU HAVE DIED"
play WoW too much last time lol

i sometimes wish there was a taunt skill in d3 laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 6 2012, 02:38 PM)
play WoW too much last time lol
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oh i played WoW too much for my own good too. that is in the past now though i still buy their collector's editions to collect. (speaking of which, i still havent open my MOP CE shipment box sweat.gif )

ps: im dps, tanks hate me, healers hate healing me too, lolz!

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ah yes, being a tanking monk back then, it was a b**** when mobs ignoring me and kept chasing my allies down sad.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(ahhann @ Nov 6 2012, 02:29 PM)
BTW all the 100k dps monk, any comment on LS%? How it actually work?
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Assume 3%LS.

My build - 60k dps - FoT
Average Hit 82573
Average 3rd Hit 111474
Damage Range 25343 - 53298
Critical Hit 95038 - 199866
My life recovery on average hit = 82573 x 3% x 20%(inferno coefficient) = 495

M2K2Land's build - 100k dps - FoT
Average Hit 90225
Average 3rd Hit 121804
Damage Range 21696 - 47074
Critical Hit 109781 - 238192
M2K2Land's life recovery on average hit = 90225 x 3% x 20%(inferno coefficient) = 541

Quazacolt's build - 55k dps - FoT
Average Hit 74344
Average 3rd Hit 100365
Damage Range 21293 - 40910
Critical Hit 88577 - 170185
Quaza's life recovery on average hit = 74344 x 3% x 20%(inferno coefficient) = 446

Looking at it the difference is not much but bear in mind that a 100k dps monk probably had faster attack speed, and crit more often, hence more life recover.


Added on November 6, 2012, 2:44 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 6 2012, 02:35 PM)
LS item too exp.
i stacked IAS with somewhere1.2k-1.6k LoH only. never had a problem with that.
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Issit? LS gear WAS cheap where everyone is geared at 50k dps time and the return in healing is not good enough. Now everyone touching 100k and the advantage of LS% vs LoH is easily to seen.

This post has been edited by yuhhaur: Nov 6 2012, 02:55 PM
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(SleepEverywhere @ Nov 6 2012, 01:54 PM)
I read somewhere that FoT has an invisible 25% attack speed comparing to the rest of other spirit generators, which is why everyone uses it, i have tried WoTHF-FoF and it actually attacks slower than FoT-TC...

Btw just join the 150 club [attachmentid=3141174], going for 180 now....lots of works to do...
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150k DPS with 5.4 LS! sweat.gif Your armor is reduced further! I am moving towards high DPS and LS setup!!! Feel good?
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post Nov 6 2012, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 6 2012, 02:41 PM)
Quaza's life recovery on average hit = 74344 x 3% x 20%(inferno coefficient) = 446

Looking at it the difference is not much but bear in mind that a 100k dps monk probably had faster attack speed, and crit more often, hence more life recover.
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then there are also other variables such as MoC + overawe, and i got WKL wink.gif
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post Nov 6 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 6 2012, 02:41 PM)
Assume 3%LS.
The thing I like about LS is that, you actually get more Life when your damage increased with any skill:

I like to spam MoC 48%; gain 48% more life!
I like to Blind + 30% damage; gain 30% more life
I like to 7SS; full life!

Sweeping wind also give me more life, the lightning is meh, but when the tornadoes run over mobs, I can see life going up!

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post Nov 6 2012, 03:35 PM

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Fighting reflect damage mobs with health link in high mps with less than 3% lifesteal is still a pain without enough defenses, especially if they have molten.
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post Nov 6 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 6 2012, 02:59 PM)
then there are also other variables such as MoC + overawe, and i got WKL wink.gif
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Ahaha just the rite time to pose this. For a 100k DPS toon, LS will be superior as 1. Cyclone leech life but No LoH. 2 Cyclone hit multipile targets hence..leech faster. Only time loH is superior is vs shielding.

Quaza..your WKL doing good ehh..I bought back my nice WKL which I sold earlier as the person offered me back since he's going for shenlongs with OS (mad bugger or shall I say $$$).Using it as an offhand...paired with a pure physical weapon and ..my OMG. 65k DPS can down stuff just as fast as my friend 80k monk. Got to save some money now for a nice FoA/Sever with socket smile.gif and trying to just go pure LoH route with 0 LS smile.gif.

Which main hand are u using now? Sever looks promising...for the + demon damage and + crit chance.
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post Nov 6 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 6 2012, 02:44 PM)
150k DPS with 5.4 LS!  sweat.gif Your armor is reduced further! I am moving towards high DPS and LS setup!!! Feel good?
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no offence but quite skeptical on how he handle battle situation...monk using FOT surely have to confront enemies head on...maybe he use kiting alot?

im saying this cuz from my observation..from looking at dual wielder playing along...they all have LOH+LS(5%) and 100K dps also...n still can get into trouble in sucking back life when mp8 - mp9 ...when sitting with hard elites such as descretor, plague, arcane, RD etc...i mean their healthbar is fluctuating very unstably (same as mine)...we have to move around n kite abit......

this guy only have 600AR, 5%LS n no LOH?...thats kinda intrigues me...

my point is..i really think upper then mp7...u really need both...LOH n LS....either way..we really need to play with him to know how well 5%LS only without LOH is... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 6 2012, 03:40 PM

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5%LS without using BoH/Serenity/7ss/Blind

is different than using

5%LS spamming BoH/Serenity/7ss/Blind

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post Nov 6 2012, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 6 2012, 03:40 PM)
5%LS without using BoH/Serenity/7ss/Blind

is different than using

5%LS spamming BoH/Serenity/7ss/Blind
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most of us is no.2 anyway...plus we also using MOC-Overawe..
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post Nov 6 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 6 2012, 03:37 PM)
no offence but quite skeptical on how he handle battle situation...monk using FOT surely have to confront enemies head on...maybe he use kiting alot?

im saying this cuz from my observation..from looking at dual wielder playing along...they all have LOH+LS(5%) and 100K dps also...n still can get into trouble in sucking back life when mp8 - mp9 ...when sitting with hard elites such as descretor, plague, arcane, RD etc...i mean their healthbar is fluctuating very unstably (same as mine)...we have to move around n kite abit......

this guy only have 5 LS n no LOH?...thats kinda intrigues me...

my point is..i really think upper then mp7...u really need both...LOH n LS....either way..we really need to play with him to know how well 5%LS only without LOH is... icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yes! Thanks for the info. I read all your post too about having difficulties using MoC after MP8, etc. That surprise me! Coz you have great armor and resist.

So, I am quite interested in how others are doing too.


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And I so chicken with the LS 5.3% somemore want another 2000LoH attached.


Added on November 6, 2012, 3:47 pmMy MP8 is too time consuming consider that I can't get my dps up. MP9-10 is not doable as normal mob also kick my arse lol.

Tried Assmodan MP10 can only grind him to 40% life then I gg.com lol, can't even tank pass his 1st bloody pool set. If I run around can la, but tanking as benchie definitely fail.



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i did LS build when some time ago, didn't get me thru lol.
probably my low dps last time.

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