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sangtupperware
post Nov 2 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 2 2012, 10:53 AM)
how much LoH is feasible to tank comfortably in MP8 and above?
im thinking of switching my gem on my mainhand to emerald from amethyst.

in MP7 i dont have problem tanking (with MoE) but the HP of the ubers is damn sick by the time SB's life bar is down to like 20% he starts to enrage. (coop games)


Added on November 2, 2012, 10:56 am
agreed, im only using MoH with passive guiding light to boost damage for everyone to kill faster, not a problem up to MP7 so far i've tried. BUT it's a totally different story for uber runs. usually i will lure SB away and tank while the others get kulle first. no problem if im on MoE. but i died on MoH.
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well the sweet spots i guess for a dual wield that have been mention often here was at least 2000 LOH 5 LS?...

between...

tested my char with 1500 LOH 2.3 LS with a shield....and im right back on track as a tanker...yesss!!!... i can quite lazy tank MP8 with MOC-Overawe now..in coop..

in dilemma....

there is a bidding going on a ring with 300++ LOH, AR, CD, CC...either i go bid for it...or waiting for a glove with AR AIS CC CD....if i go for the LOH ring...i will be stuck forever with 2 passive OWE and STI....but benefit from LOH and will make me become even more tankier...and if i dual wield in the future..the need to find LOH item decrease hence i can buy cheap weapon to boost my DPS..

instead if go for the AR glove...i can play around my passive again.... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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Using Echoring Fury in tanking magda is damm fun. Keep on cornering him/her/it while the rest kau tim SK. (only sidestep arcane centre)


Added on November 2, 2012, 11:11 am
QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 2 2012, 11:10 AM)
well the sweet spots i guess for  a dual wield that have been mention often here was at least 2000 LOH 5 LS?...

between...

tested my char with 1500 LOH 2.3 LS with a shield....and im right back on track as a tanker...yesss!!!... i can quite lazy tank MP8 with MOC-Overawe now..in coop..

in dilemma....

there is a bidding going on a ring with 300++ LOH, AR, CD, CC...either i go bid for it...or waiting for a glove with AR AIS  CC CD....if i go for the LOH ring...i will be stuck forever with 2 passive OWE and STI....but benefit from LOH and will make me become even more tankier...and if i dual wield in the future..the need to find LOH item decrease hence i can buy cheap weapon to boost my DPS..

instead if go for the AR glove...i can play around my passive again.... doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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post Nov 2 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(clautee @ Nov 2 2012, 10:27 AM)
Tested with LS 3% n Loh 5xx dual wield on 100k+ dps unbuff. Nt bad as I can stand on desecrator, poison and arcane but nt anything that stacked 2 and above.

Next to upgrade my main hand from no LS/LOH to a min 2.5 LS main hand.
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I pressume that is in MP10? Nice... I am working towards that. I already have 4xx LoH and 3% LS. Only my DPS is low. biggrin.gif I am not willing to stack Poison and reduce any resist/armor/vit, more importantly, I am not willing a lot of gold to upgrade. tongue.gif


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post Nov 2 2012, 11:12 AM

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@Baam, I suggest you try drop OwE and play awhile with it.
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post Nov 2 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 11:03 AM)
I notice that you do not have any other form of LoH/LS beside the 75.7 LPSS & 528 regen. Since you got high att spd, why don't you try spam kau kau MoC 24/48 , and you can gain back life while having faster kill.
And, I don't suggest that you drop the amethyst, consider that you only had that much of regen.
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i wanna know the rough figure of LoH, i've just bought another shenlong ytd. now that i have both shenlong gloves pair, one of them comes with 900+ LoH. if socketed with amethyst, it's 1.5k solely on my mainhand.
i'm eyeing on an ammy with LoH too. if my LoH is good enough, ill be using emerald instead of amethyst.

not sure rclxub.gif
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post Nov 2 2012, 11:13 AM

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@Yuhhaur, agreed that 5LS & 1500loh wil b fantastic bt dun tin I can afford such weapons while maintaining my dps.

On uber boss fight u guys discussed, I think simply the uber boss hit is too painful that u may loss 75% hp by 1hit and the LS/LOH is not fast enuf to recover ur hp before the second hit. Armor loss in 1.0.5 for monk is more significant than other class. This made vile ward a mandatory eq as it has min 600armor.

@cow, Nola is mp6. My hp, armor n resist and more importantly dps are still low for mp10

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post Nov 2 2012, 11:14 AM

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post Nov 2 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(clautee @ Nov 2 2012, 11:13 AM)
Yuhhaur, agreed that 5LS & 1500loh wil b fantastic bt dun tin I can afford such weapons while maintaining my dps.

On uber boss fight u guys discussed, I think simply the uber boss hit is too painful that u may loss 75% hp by 1hit and the LS/LOH is not fast enuf to recover ur hp before the second hit. Armor loss in 1.0.5 for monk is more significant than other class. This made vile ward a mandatory eq as it has min 600armor.
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That is why when I know the STI nerf coming in 1.0.5, I started to get those gear with high armor+str


Added on November 2, 2012, 11:20 amVile Ward with Str stats can goes up to 800armor!

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post Nov 2 2012, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 11:07 AM)
certainly your DPS coop mate is not doing good enough. Everytime I coop uber, I will sure mention to my mate that "I AM NOT A DPSer, DON"T EXPECT ME TO DEAL HIGH DAMAGES"
(throw the ball back to dpser)
unless you got 100k dps, keep yourself as tanker on coop.


Added on November 2, 2012, 11:08 am
why spam 16% moH when you can spam 24/48% MOC?
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ahh i forgot to mention.. my main in MoC, but i switch to MoH to benefit generally when there's a monk on MoC in my party already.

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 2 2012, 11:20 AM)
ahh i forgot to mention.. my main in MoC, but i switch to MoH to benefit generally when there's a monk on MoC in my party already.
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So it enrage even with a MoC monk in your party? That definitely the dpser's fault lol.
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 11:23 AM)
So it enrage even with a MoC monk in your party? That definitely the dpser's fault lol.
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lol i arranged so i was tanking with SB while the MoC is with the dpsers on kulle.
which was my main problem. i was greedy on using MoH at all MP levels, no problem farming and the elites. but the moment i start tanking on uber, i regret not using MoE.
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post Nov 2 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 11:15 AM)
That is why when I know the STI nerf coming in 1.0.5, I started to get those gear with high armor+str


Added on November 2, 2012, 11:20 amVile Ward with Str stats can goes up to 800armor!
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speaking of armor....wafakkk!!!....my armor with a shield is 6000???...whereas u guys dual wield already reached 6000 like me??...omaii doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

STI nerf + DPS upgrade has taken its toll on me..i used to have 9000 armor b4 1.04 patch and 7000 armor after patch....bummer!!! doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

heck i test my dual wield ...i have 4800++ armor...wafakk!! doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif GG dual wield for me..
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normally for tanker like us with 5-60k dps, by the time ZK is gg, SB should have around 70% life in MP7.
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post Nov 2 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 11:28 AM)
normally for tanker like us with 5-60k dps, by the time ZK is gg, SB should have around 70% life in MP7.
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ahaahah 70% if i try to dps like crazy, i cheated on and off.. i waited for my 7ss and serenity to cd, then i switch to skorn with 100%CD gem on. and spam all crazy dps skill until i was nearly dying then jam on serenity and then switch back and wait again ... hahahhaha
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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 2 2012, 11:32 AM)
ahaahah 70% if i try to dps like crazy, i cheated on and off.. i waited for my 7ss and serenity to cd, then i switch to skorn with 100%CD gem on. and spam all crazy dps skill until i was nearly dying then jam on serenity and then switch back and wait again ... hahahhaha
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this is no cheat, this is tactics.
I did that with my 1.2k E.Fury with no LS/LoH in replacing 700LoH+2.4%LS sometimes.


Added on November 2, 2012, 11:44 am
QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 2 2012, 11:28 AM)
speaking of armor....wafakkk!!!....my armor with a shield is 6000???...whereas u guys dual wield already reached 6000 like me??...omaii  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

STI nerf + DPS upgrade has taken its toll on me..i used to have 9000 armor b4 1.04 patch and 7000 armor after patch....bummer!!!  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

heck i test my dual wield ...i have 4800++ armor...wafakk!! doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  GG dual wield for me..
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ahaha. if i really go max defense, I would have 8k armor in DW with STI+MoE HT (but only 600AR)

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post Nov 2 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 2 2012, 11:40 AM)
this is no cheat, this is tactics.
I did that with my 1.2k E.Fury with no LS/LoH in replacing 700LoH+2.4%LS sometimes.


Added on November 2, 2012, 11:44 am
ahaha. if i really go max defense, I would have 8k armor in DW with STI+MoE HT (but only 600AR)
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ur saying about droping OWE..nah i just cant bear to do that...but maybe its worth to try it out..all my resist accept fire will be 660...thats for me is way too low....to go mp7 above in coop..

800 armor DW?...wafakkkk!! doh.gif doh.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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post Nov 2 2012, 12:02 PM

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Well, you can't have the best of both world (even with masterkad) as the item roll that much of stats.
stacked AR/CC/CD/IAS/Dex/Vit and you left that much of slots for other stats. If roll Str/Armor/one resist again, 6 stats per item is not really enough. And you also need to roll socket/life%/movement spd/pickup radius/etc...

That is why I had low dps. Well, I have chosen this way anyway.


Added on November 2, 2012, 12:07 pm
QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 2 2012, 11:55 AM)
ur saying about droping OWE..nah i just cant bear to do that...but maybe its worth to try it out..all my resist accept fire will be 660...thats for me is way too low....to go mp7 above in coop..
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Try it, 1.5k LoH+2.xLS with 600AR mp7/8 should be no problem for sure to your 120k dps monk. Don't know about mp9/10 thou.

Talking about MP10, ytd tried and get one-shotted by white mob sweat.gif tongue.gif

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post Nov 2 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 2 2012, 11:06 AM)
i dont get you on the no relativity scaling with MoH with guiding light passive?
since i dont have problem in defence, might as well get 16% hike of dps permanently. because i would never have problem spamming MoH in every 15seconds. the whole party gets the 16% dps increase.
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the only reason to use MoH is time of need +20% AR
life regen and its shield boon and + 20%, has nothing to do with 16% dps increase.

spamming MoH only allows higher regen, and applies a shield buff (which is mostly useless lol)
read guiding light passive:
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Whenever you use a direct heal skill on another player you and the other player deal 16% more damage for 15 seconds.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/passive/guiding-light

so by right, MoH's HOT (healing over time) shouldn't apply.

EVEN IF however it does apply, MoC still yields 24% dmg scaling and 48% upon activation, and you can still use BoH (15% urself) to add another 16% to yourself and whoever that is healed and BoH is guaranteed to work without a doubt.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 2 2012, 12:31 PM)
the only reason to use MoH is time of need +20% AR
life regen and its shield boon and + 20%, has nothing to do with 16% dps increase.

spamming MoH only allows higher regen, and applies a shield buff (which is mostly useless lol)
read guiding light passive:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/passive/guiding-light

so by right, MoH's HOT (healing over time) shouldn't apply.

EVEN IF however it does apply, MoC still yields 24% dmg scaling and 48% upon activation, and you can still use BoH (15% urself) to add another 16% to yourself and whoever that is healed and BoH is guaranteed to work without a doubt.
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Only crappy thing is that BoH radius is so small..its like all of your allies need to be next to you to benefit the heal and GL buff...utterlly useless when you meet desc/arcane and wallers...


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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 2 2012, 12:42 PM)
Only crappy thing is that BoH radius is so small..its like all of your allies need to be next to you to benefit the heal and GL buff...utterlly useless when you meet desc/arcane and wallers...
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thats why i never bothered with that passive, lolz

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