sadly their CEO have bad management everyone talking about samsung looking forward for samsung. Their reputation now is at the most bottom. Even american today cant even pronounce samsung properly also choose samsung just imagine that.

Lol now only aware of so many typos from my previous post,i hate typing on phone -.-

I think even IF WP8 turned out being successful, they will still unable to catch back throne of phone industry since samsung also taking wp8 alongside with Android, how to compete lol

i know how that feels even android so bad NOW on jelly bean they improved alot i am typing this on a galaxy note 2 minmum mistake without correction if i lazy to type i can even write. Still cant beat iphone but can say there are very close to iphone

Do you mean the Menu icon in background should not overlap with the search function?

It is sad that the legacy of Symbian (Nokia Belle) ends with PureView 808 for now. Nokia now are more focused on Hardware OEMs for Windows phone. And Nokia axed most of the Symbian developer's software to Windows Platform in order to add its advantageous over competitors Which belongs to Symbian from the start...

Actually I think its a natural progression of a device. Its better for them to focus on hardware, and let software eco system to grow on their own. The problem is that Nokia chose Win OS instead of others.

While they may have problem with the OS initially, they will let the Microsoft to handle software tweak from now on. it save them time and resources.

My guess is that after the start of this win8, nokia may focus on dedicated tweak on win8 to run their specific hardware resources. So its not impossible for them to introduce winOS that recognise pureview 41MPix camera in due course.

Android is quite refined now to be honest, and there comes "lime pie?" (the newest version of android to be announced on 29th oct).. they will get much more better :/
my bro and sis got their s3 and I'm kinda jealous, the games with superb graphics and apps that facilitate daily tasks (symbian and even WP platform still lacking far behind imo) kills me badly >.>

I think we might finally be able to take android as great symbian replacement in current state; some might argue that symbian runs smoothly on single core and having good battery life, etc,. but imo...
does it even matter anymore especially note2 has now proven superb multitasking and great battery life can be done on this power hogger OS?

as a Nokia fan, i can either pray for Nokia to adopt android after contract with microsoft ended or I shouldn't really trapped myself with brand of "nokia" anymore (hard earn money need to spend more wisely eh)

gaming still cant beat iphone example asphalt 7 on my note 2 abit laggy on my bro ipad 1 asphalt 7 minimum lag.

nokia been delaying and giving excuse too long now others have catch up windows phone 8 wont change the mobile industry it will just be apart of it.

Back then we keep saying how bad is android battery but they seems to change that furthermore 3100MAH is an exchangable battery dude how fast is single core like you said it doesnt matter anymore.

Now note 2 supports up to 64GB SDXC class 10 card. I just bought a 32GB SDHC Class 10 card but windows phone 8 just talking supporting memory cards =.="

Come on imagine this

Light Notification (Windows phone tak ada)
Real Time Notification Screen (windows phone tak ada)
5.5 inch screen
3100mah battery
S-pen features
Quad Core processor
2GB RAM (WP8 1GB only and yea u dont need it)
16GB internal (Expandable up to 64GB)
Real multitasking
TONS of accessories ( 1 week ago many shop i went dont even sell screen protector for lumia)
ROOT
FREE DROPBOX STORAGE 48GB
Front facing camera
Viber supports voice call and messaging ( windowsphone only got message)
High demand ( I was asking how much to trade in lumia now is about 600-800 for lumia 900)
The phone is heck of light compare to lumia
2.1AMP charger full charge a 3100MAH note 2 battery in 2-3 hours from empty.

S-Voice or Google voice understandings me 60% accurately. Windowsphone voice command understand me 10% only

Wolfson audio chip ( It sound so amazing when i plug my Nokia Monster Headset WH930 on the note 2 it sounds alot better than plug into a lumia =.="

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Oct 23 2012, 01:37 PM

I do agree with that, as this is their last chance and also last dance. We ain't want another fruit product which MS tries to rebrand their OS in disguise (restrictions and limitation), but i think they have adopt this nature since they foresee the fruit's revenue. If this don't work out of them... I really doubt that the pureview 41Mpix in win8 might just end up becoming a prototype ...hopefully not...

Android is now what "symbian" should have really involve into... surpassing the "freedom" what symbian can offer way back then. And it is from every espect, from hardware specs, market's unlimited software & games (quality), wide multimedia coverage (camera & video shot, video & audio playback) , OS software updates, insane rate of accessories availability. They really got everything covered to make most users cash out their money on their gadgets.

I guess they forget something important, why should people switch from their current OS which they're already comfortable, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, they already invested their $$$ on the apps. Switching platform means loosing almost everything.
What's a good reason to switch?
Is WP good enough? For simplicity, smoothness, no fancy homescreen, customization, there's iOS.
For cuztomization, flexibility, power, choices, etc. there's Android.
Where will WP8 stand? Current WP7.5 stand more like alongside with iOS, it's no competition for Android.
At least Symbian offers customization, flexibility, but the OS features itself lacking far behind.

Even if WP8 really become successful, there's another BIG Question: Why Nokia?
With it's current state, people are loosing their hope, trust, confidence. You go to any malls, you used to see Nokia here, Nokia there, now it's Samseng here and Samseng there.
Samseng triumphs PaiKia (aka Nokia)
Why Samseng is so successful, all thanks to PaiKia, most of their users are from PaiKia, converted to Samseng.
Choosing WP is their biggest mistake.

Can they climb back up now that they're at the very bottom? As a user/customer, of course I do, it's good to see more competition and also Nokia coming back up. But it seems they're getting worst everyday at fast pace.
You go to the mall, you see Samseng store is crowded and full, and Nokia Store, seems always can even hear mosquito sound... ok, that exaggeration, but you can see the big difference, and many people who visit Nokia Store are those still loyal to Nokia brand that aren't really looking for a smartphone or doesn't really know much about smartphone thing. Some may buy the Lumia, but how many of them will "stay"?
The worst thing that could happen is for them to find out the problem and weakness of Lumia (or WP) and then give up. Now they have a bad impression on Lumia (or WP), and this is not a good thing. Just as how people are disappointed and given up Symbian, will they want to "re-try" or give 2nd chance to Symbian again next time? Take the risk? Why should they?

During S2 era, it was OK already.
In you say Symbian replacement, it's already a great replacement for Symbian since quite long ago.

You can honestly consider Samseng S3 or Note2 (if you don't mind the size). Been using SEX Pro for some time, honestly speaking, Sony's version Android a failure and their older devices lacks of RAM and internal storage, was a horrible experience. For Android, make sure you get a decent spec hardware with enough internal storage for apps, micro-SD support and RAM.
Besides in term of OS, Samseng did much better than Sony, in default stock mode, there's many shortcuts in the drop down menu, there's S-Voice, there's many nice and useful feature I wished it was available on the Sony.
Image quality, it may not be as good as 808 PureView, but in terms of usability, it's actually much better, it's faster and more responsive, image quality is decent and very good for mobile phone category.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 23 2012, 02:40 PM

"SEX Pro" his mean Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro

Actually Nokia have such OS... it's called Maemo, which then become MeeGo after they partner with Intel.
If you have used Maemo, it could easily surpass Android. Don't talk about MeeGo, although it's nice, it's like a more slimmed down or simplified version of Maemo with many features missing.
While some may say, it's not necessary, etc. the key point is let user decide and choose, let them customize what they want. But giving a simplified version with features missing means, the thing is no longer available, you can't have it anymore. BUT, if having the feature, one can turn it off in options and customize to their preference.

I'm still having the N900, sometimes when I use it, I still feel it's better than the S3 especially the web browsing experience, nothing can beat that to date. To think that it's only a A8-600Mhz with 256MB physical memory device, yet it's performing exceptionally well and smooth.

Yup. I do know Maemo, only advantages on OS doesn't really fill in the gap in modern era, or to say, it is not completing the whole mobile experience. You can only look for developer's limited software eco, and its even makes the market harder to get their accessories to complement the experience when the phone is not going to sell well.

Back then optimization is treated with real respect (Andy214: N900 was one of the good example, well performed phone in limited choice of hardware & technology on its era ), now, only of hardware components matters most (at least in Android universe, others are catching up, and only the top dogs will get it), making the same principle as modern gaming rig. If you can't play the game well, blame it on the hardware

I agree that letting the user to decide on features/options/customization was the right way to go, after all, we are the ones that going to use the phones after all

Andy214: Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro in short was real eyecatching there

What kind of mobile experience?
If Software Eco, Nokia should work hard and push, bring softwares over, etc.
The one main reason Maemo didn't do well is because the lack of apps/games in market (or Nokia Store), although there's tons of apps actually available.
Plus, it was the first tablet smartphone (previous Maemo has no phone functionality), and it doesn't have capacitive touch screen. If Nokia had work on it and bring in more developers, apps/games, come up with more competitive hardware, I'm sure it will be a success.

Using the N900 back, it was the only smartphone with full flash, it's the only smartphone you can surf Facebook in Desktop mode like a real Desktop, you can activate mouse cursor on web browser and do mouse-required operations, multi-tasking is a breeze and so easy and convenient. In short, using the N900 back then it's like having a mini laptop/netbook in hand. With smartphones today, even the great Galaxy Note, it can't give this similar experience because it's still lacking in terms of multi-tasking, web browsing experience, etc.

Haha, the SEX Pro was used in SEX Pro thread and also among my colleagues/friends, we prefer to use "alternate" names, haha. e.g. I've just converted/join Samseng "kia", hey, we got new Samseng "poh", etc.

Seems you have answered most of the mobile experience that was missing from N900:) From casual to serious user, they wont able to taste the true power of the phone (ex: the phone might able to do OTG for serious gamers to play on real gamepad for gaming, in accessories category, and to enhance the gaming experience) These are the few phones that are DOA from the start as test lab rats,ex: N900 & N9, without proper software market segment and user centric in the first place (Due to both are new platforms, they have to rework the codings & optimization, really time consuming).

Android know about the weakness that you mention, but they are coming real strong on that, from officials and the xda's. I understand the comparison, as on some aspect, ex: android wont able to record full hd video even on single core with GPU, where 808 already excels there (4x lossless zoom somemore^^), but i'm not sure a 41mp photo can be handle in dual/quad core android beast, someone can give a hand here?)

Hopefully 808 can stay with me for awhile longer

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Yea, too bad Nokia didn't emphasize and put in enough effort to bring in the developers for Maemo/MeeGo platform, it's even worst than Symbian. The potential is there.... just too bad...

As for 808 PureView, there are dedicated image processor for it right?
Just too bad for Nokia they didn't choose to adopt Android, else they can go multi-platform, continue offering Symbians for those who are still on Symbian, and they can also work on Maemo/MeeGo. They key point here is to make their Nokia Store app purchase available ACROSS platforms as long as they stay within Nokia devices (e.g. Samsung store for Android). So, their Symbian users can one day switch to their Android platform while maintaining their purchases (based on the apps available), thus this way, they can also maintain their existing users better. A Nokia user can have a Nokia Android Tablet, a Nokia MeeGo smartphone, but the apps are available through Nokia Store. Of course, this is something Nokia have to work on and the apps to be available, but will be an advantage for Nokia.
If they have chosen multi-platform and adopted Android, high chances are they'll still be No. 1 spot and probably doing well.

Anyway, albeit 808 is doing better than previous Symbian series and the camera performance is much faster, but comparing to S3 or even N9, it's not as fast in terms of capture, probably due to the pixel oversampling processing. With N9, I can keep tapping capture and it will capture and save, with slight delay, while on the S3, you can just keep tapping and there's no delay like it's not doing any processing or saving any image, and that's on Power Saving mode on S3. For quick capture and ease of use, S3 is definitely much more responsive and nice to use. Image quality wise 808 is better but then most people won't pixel peep to see the overall details.

big wave only happen during 5800xm then N8... now it's fading....

Seems Avaxx already hands on Lumia 820 and 920.

I think Nokia Malaysia might do big even for this 2 phone. After all, the've been quiet for some time and this is like their important point.

Still not sure how is WP8, if still tons of restriction and limitations, I have no idea how it want to compete. For such OS, there is already one that's more famous, iOS. People who want flexibility, customization, power, etc. most likely won't even want to look at it. They need to bring the real Windows back onto smartphone.

what so difficult to compete??? lower the cost of ownership will do!!

if it's selling >RM1,800 for the L920 and >RM1,300 for L820 see any monkey will get it or not...

I will rather settle down with GN2 or S3 with plan better...

If WP8 is restricted and limited like WP7.5, then even they sell RM1K for L920, not sure how many people will buy. Maybe those WP fans/lovers will buy it over other brands, or those don't mind those restrictions and limitations (or willing to give up their current more flexible, more customizable OS phone).

Sad to say, I didn't even use the L900 last time. No different than L800, even L800 also use for a short while only for review purpose. Passed around to those people to try, there more negative comments than good comments, other than smooth and fast, what really is there? If people only care about smoothness and fast, there is iOS and it has tons of apps/games and can be JB easily.

The problem is not Nokia but Microsoft's WP.
Not sure how is WP8, just can hope it's good and not like WP7.5, but there's a lot need to change from WP7.5.
They gotta bring the real Windows back into their smartphone, not another Zune Media Player.

Sorry guys, quoted too much of post, so I decided to use spoiler