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post Apr 22 2013, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 21 2013, 11:50 PM)
if you do not have the necessary SPM background.. many colleges may be reluctant to take you in.. in fear that you may screw up and bring down their reputation. without SPM pure science you will really struggle in A-levels science stream..
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yes this is quite true.. my college accept student who were in art stream that intend to do A-level science. But it's not really recommended because even students who were already in science stream struggled during their A-level science
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post Apr 24 2013, 10:25 PM

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i would like to know and understand more about what do pharmacies do in hospital.
Are they sittin' in the counter and dispensing those drugs prescribed by doctor?
and for those pharmacies who didn't need to do ward round and work at those common diseases ( eg cough,flu,fever) department, wouldn't they feel bored for their job as they just dispense more or less same drugs everyday ?
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post Apr 24 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 24 2013, 10:25 PM)
i would like to know and understand more about what do pharmacies do in hospital.
Are they sittin' in the counter and dispensing those drugs prescribed by doctor?
and for those pharmacies who didn't need to do ward round and work at those common diseases ( eg cough,flu,fever) department, wouldn't they feel bored for their job as they just dispense more or less same drugs everyday ?
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that depends which department are you in..if you are in the outpatient then your main job would be dispensing and counselling .. and also double check whether the doctor has prescribed a suitable prescription or not.. you are also in charge of stock checks.. supervising pharmacy technicians.. etc..

there are no 'common diseases' department.. only outpatient and clinical pharmacy/inpatient pharmacy for different departments.

some may feel bored.. but some may prefer a routine job..
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post Apr 24 2013, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2013, 10:56 PM)
that depends which department are you in..if you are in the outpatient then your main job would be dispensing and counselling .. and also double check whether the doctor has prescribed a suitable prescription or not.. you are also in charge of stock checks.. supervising pharmacy technicians.. etc..

there are no 'common diseases' department.. only outpatient and clinical pharmacy/inpatient pharmacy for different departments.

some may feel bored.. but some may prefer a routine job..
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what do pharmacists do in inpatient pharm.?
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post Apr 25 2013, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 24 2013, 11:01 PM)
what do pharmacists do in inpatient pharm.?
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supply medications for the ward..cytotoxic preparation.. TPN.. etc...

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post Apr 25 2013, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 25 2013, 12:19 AM)
supply medications for the ward..cytotoxic preparation.. TPN.. etc...
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hmmm so basically there's no way that pharmacist can meet different cases everyday ?

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 25 2013, 12:31 AM)
hmmm so basically there's no way that pharmacist can meet different cases everyday ?
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why not? every patient is a different case what rclxub.gif
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post Apr 25 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 24 2013, 10:25 PM)
i would like to know and understand more about what do pharmacies do in hospital.
Are they sittin' in the counter and dispensing those drugs prescribed by doctor?
and for those pharmacies who didn't need to do ward round and work at those common diseases ( eg cough,flu,fever) department, wouldn't they feel bored for their job as they just dispense more or less same drugs everyday ?
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Common diseases department laugh.gif

Pharmacists work in the wards that other healthcare professionals work in too e.g. cardiac ward, oncology ward, infectious diseases ward, psychiatric ward etc. They read patient files/pathology results, do ward rounds, check drug charts, make sure drugs are prescribed/administered correctly and make appropriate recommendations to doctors if there is a problem. This is an ideal example of course and I'm sure most hospitals in Malaysia aren't up to this level yet.
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QUOTE(Farmer_C @ Apr 25 2013, 03:19 PM)
Common diseases department laugh.gif

Pharmacists work in the wards that other healthcare professionals work in too e.g. cardiac ward, oncology ward, infectious diseases ward, psychiatric ward etc. They read patient files/pathology results, do ward rounds, check drug charts, make sure drugs are prescribed/administered correctly and make appropriate recommendations to doctors if there is a problem. This is an ideal example of course and I'm sure most hospitals in Malaysia aren't up to this level yet.
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not sure about other states but the general hospitals in KL and Selangor are at this level already..other hospitals are catching up as well..
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http://monash.edu/news/show/world-class-ranking-success-1

Monash's pharmacy degree is ranked 7th in the world
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So I just got news that my interview offer from Notts was an error as they had too many applicants so I had to be rejected despite good forecast results.

If I don't want to take a gap year, should I opt for IMU or Monash or Taylors?

If I go to Taylors or IMU I plan to take the 2+2 program.

I'm pretty sure I can meet their entry requirements, just that I'm rather bummed that my first choice is off the list if I don't plan to take a gap year now.

Will it make a difference in terms of job opportunities depending on which Uni I choose? Let's say I get a degree from Strathclyde via my twinning program. Will an employer prefer a Nottingham degree over mine? Does it work that way?

Taylors -> Cardiff seems like a decent option since Cardiff is quite consistently high ranked. But I'm worried about the 2 years in Taylors. I've heard nothing about people taking Pharmacy there!

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Will it make a difference in terms of job opportunities depending on which Uni I choose? Let's say I get a degree from Strathclyde via my twinning program. Will an employer prefer a Nottingham degree over mine? Does it work that way?

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no, it doesn't work that way, i'm in my final year in Notts, many of my friends from Stratchclyde (twinning) had managed to secure pre-registration positions in both community and hospital settings, so no worries smile.gif
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Will an individual with a degree in Pharmacy and MBA advance further with their career or an individual with degree and masters in Pharmacy in a Pharmaceutical industry? I do know their job scope differ slightly but I'm curious that which would be more sort out in the market currently.
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QUOTE(Farmer_C @ Apr 25 2013, 03:19 PM)
Common diseases department laugh.gif

Pharmacists work in the wards that other healthcare professionals work in too e.g. cardiac ward, oncology ward, infectious diseases ward, psychiatric ward etc. They read patient files/pathology results, do ward rounds, check drug charts, make sure drugs are prescribed/administered correctly and make appropriate recommendations to doctors if there is a problem. This is an ideal example of course and I'm sure most hospitals in Malaysia aren't up to this level yet.
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U work in malaysian public hospitals b4 ? Ur last statement is misleading.

The ward pharmacist so called specialization was started in early 2003-2004.Nephro, cardio, medical paeds, onco, nuclear, ID pharmacist..etc..

this services started with major hospitals in klang valley then expanded to other states GH now already present in some district hospitals.

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QUOTE(wyatt615 @ May 15 2013, 02:40 AM)
no, it doesn't work that way, i'm in my final year in Notts, many of my friends from Stratchclyde (twinning) had managed to secure pre-registration positions in both community and hospital settings, so no worries  smile.gif
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What does your Strathclyde twinning friends have to say about the overall course?


I read in an old thread in LYN that IMU's MPharm 2+2 is merely a moneybag. Strathclyde's name is used to attract students while the teaching quality in IMU apparently is really bad and when students reach Strathclyde, they suffer. :/
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QUOTE(abcde90 @ May 15 2013, 09:38 AM)
U work in malaysian public hospitals b4 ? Ur last statement is misleading.

The ward pharmacist so called specialization was started in early 2003-2004.Nephro, cardio, medical paeds, onco, nuclear, ID pharmacist..etc..

this services started with major hospitals in klang valley then expanded to other states GH now already present in some district hospitals.
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No I've never worked in Malaysian hospitals before so I don't normally have the best information when it comes to pharmacy in Malaysia. I hope this 'specialisation' has been implemented in the GH of the city I live in. I plan to come home to Malaysia once I'm done with my PhD. Hoping to 'specialise' into a cardiology pharmacist one day.
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QUOTE(VanillaScoop @ May 15 2013, 09:18 AM)
Will an individual with a degree in Pharmacy and MBA advance further with their career or an individual with degree and masters in Pharmacy in a Pharmaceutical industry? I do know their job scope differ slightly but I'm curious that which would be more sort out in the market currently.
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2 different masters there. MBA probably gives you a better chance at climbing up the corporate ladder, not sure if there's a master in pharmaceutical industry though.

QUOTE(Farmer_C @ May 15 2013, 05:18 PM)
No I've never worked in Malaysian hospitals before so I don't normally have the best information when it comes to pharmacy in Malaysia. I hope this 'specialisation' has been implemented in the GH of the city I live in. I plan to come home to Malaysia once I'm done with my PhD. Hoping to 'specialise' into a cardiology pharmacist one day.
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it's best if you could finish your internship in Australia unless you don't mind doing it back in Malaysia.
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Good read.

So what does a pharmacist do? This was a question that I probably should have had straight in my head before I entered Uni, but all that I had really seen them doing was standing behind the counter in a shop, getting stock and labelling it up, which I am sure a lot of people still think that is what pharmacy is: a supply business no different to any other shop. However, what a pharmacist does is extremely varied, as I will hopefully illustrate.

Depending on who is reading this, you may already have an idea of what pharmacists do. If you are a doctor for example, you may think that we are the annoying people who thrust drug charts into your face, wildly blathering about renal function (How well someone’s kidneys are working) and why a dose of a medication needs to be changed. Or trying to explain why we cannot give a patient two medications because they could interact in a dangerous way with each other. The amount of times that I have heard ‘What did I do now?’ come out of a doctors mouth! (All in good fun of course)

So here is a bit of an explanation of what a hospital pharmacist may do. Firstly, the most well-known job of a pharmacist is supply of medications. Like what occurs when you drop a script from the doctor into a community pharmacy (a shop), a pharmacist at the hospital is responsible for making sure that a medication prescribed for the patient is safe for the patient and delivered in a timely fashion.

To be able to do this, a pharmacist must be able to review a patient’s medication chart and check for interactions between the medications. If you have ever tried to buy a medication from a pharmacy, then hopefully the question “do you currently take any medications?” was asked by the pharmacist before they prescribed you any medication. In addition to these ‘drug-drug interactions’, there are also drug-patient interactions, where the medication may not be appropriate for someone with certain conditions. For example, someone with kidney problems (again with the kidneys!) may not be able to use anti-inflammatory medications which can further damage the kidneys.

Next, we need to check the dose. To be able to do this properly, quite often the pharmacist will need to view blood test results to help determine this. However, as the senior clinical pharmacist at Frankston continually reminds us, another important part is that we see the patient. A fit 20 year old man will handle medication very differently to a 90 year old lady!

The pharmacist should also be asking other questions such as is this the best medication to treat this condition? Is this cost effective? (Ask any nurse- they all know the pharmacy department is notorious for trying to save money by using generic medication- the cheaper the better!) All this adds up to a quick chart review by the pharmacist once we are satisfied that the medication is in fact safe (remember the motto ‘First, do no harm’), the pharmacy technicians deliver the medications to the patient’s bedside. Without the techs, the department would fall apart! Your pharmacists, and the patients, are all extremely grateful!

Pharmacists also complete medication reconciliation whereby they determine what a patient was taking before coming to hospital, and if it should be continued whilst in hospital. Usually, the pharmacist will interview the patient to determine how they took their medications, or question the person who gives medications at home. We then double check this against a list from a community pharmacy, local doctor or the patient’s own drugs.

On discharge, a pharmacist is presented with a script in order to provide the patient with any medications they need at home, which is a very similar process to what your local GP/community pharmacy do. This requires the age old pharmacist skills of reading a doctors handwriting

There are other things in a hospital that a pharmacist does. At Frankston, we are in a quite unique situation where we have PETS (Pharmacist Initiated E-Transcription Service) pharmacists, who go around the hospital and at the request of the doctor (Or more often the pharmacist!) write the script for the doctor, who if they are happy can sign off on the script after checking it for themselves. The ward pharmacist then checks this script after the doctor has. This incorporates the ‘Swiss cheese model’ of medication safety, whereby the more checks we have, the less chance there is of the patient coming to harm and something being missed. As I was taught early at Frankston, trust no-one!! In the end, to err is human which incidentally was the title of a patient safety report by the US Institute of Medicine some years ago.

Pharmacists also help to write protocols on how medications should be used within the hospital, to ensure that medications are used at the right dose in the right patient for the right reason Pharmacists are also involved in medication safety, which probably seems obvious given what I have said above. However, there is a medication safety pharmacist who is continually working on ways to make the health system safer for patients, for example how IV bags are labelled, how drugs are stored or how the pumps that nurses use are programmed.

Pharmacists also partake in education programs such as ELVIS (a program designed to help educate doctors about how to prevent blood clots in patients), drug usage evaluations (such as how antibiotics are used in hospitals) and many other activities which I have no room for!

If you have made it this far, think of this the next time you are wondering why the pharmacist is taking so long to stick a label on the bottle. Remember, we are paid to know lethal combinations of drugs!!

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Oh dear my coursemate wrote this, I found out. We were groupmates in the Advance Practice unit (Monash) in our 4th year.
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QUOTE(Farmer_C @ May 15 2013, 05:18 PM)
I plan to come home to Malaysia once I'm done with my PhD. Hoping to 'specialise' into a cardiology pharmacist one day.
Could you tell me what does a cardiology pharmacist do, please? Is there any Cardiology Pharmacy in Malaysia that I can visit? My doctor explained that because I was born to a parent with coronary heart disease, therefore I have 50% chance to develop the condition one day when I get older. unsure.gif

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