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Farmer_C
post Feb 26 2013, 10:34 PM

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Hello you handsome/beautiful people!

I'm extremely new here but anyway... I graduated from Monash Parkville with my degree in pharmacy 2 years ago. I completed a research honours degree in pharmaceutical science last year and will be doing a PhD this year relating to cardiovascular pharmacology - also with Monash Parkville.

Happy to help answer science/pharmacy related questions (if I can) and also to convince undergraduates contemplating postgraduate research biggrin.gif.
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post Feb 27 2013, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(jerk @ Feb 26 2013, 11:20 PM)
@Farmer_C

what is the landscape of community pharmacy currently in the eastern states (including full time position as a pharmacist)? 

warehouse pharmacies are driving independents out of business - affecting the margins. it is happening everywhere but would you say that the competition is worse in the eastern states?

what is the starting pay over in eastern states assuming you managed to secure a full-time position as a pharmacist (newly grad)?
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It is true that Chemist Warehouses are dominating in the eastern states, especially in Melbourne, and that independent pharmacies and even some chains are struggling. I believe this problem is much worse in the eastern states compared to say Western Australia. Note that Chemist warehouse has a gross revenue of over a billion dollars. Academics, hospital pharmacists and other community pharmacists despise Chemist Warehouse and are blaming them for ruining and shaming the profession by over-commercialising it and making the pharmacy profession 'cheap' and 'classless'. I have to admit that I once worked in a Chemist Warehouse as a student but I don't agree with the way they run things.

These days it is much harder to find a position as an intern or a pharmacist in Melbourne. Pharmacies often have an excess of resumes from pharmacists to choose from. This is probably due in part to the massive number of pharmacy graduates being pumped out in Victoria every year.

Generally, the starting pay for pharmacists have declined but it still very much depends on how nice your employer is to you (ranging from low/mid $2x to low $3x/hr). I am not a pharmacist as I chose to pursue further study but this I heard from friends who are now registered pharmacists. Yes, you can probably tell that I'm one of the few rare ones in my class to have gone into postgraduate research laugh.gif .


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post Mar 2 2013, 06:42 PM

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Just a curious question for those of you studying pharmacy in Monash Sunway... did you have any lecturers from the Australian campus coming to visit and/or give lecture(s) as a guest?
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post Mar 13 2013, 12:57 PM

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@VilaFrantez

I'm not 100% about how things work in Malaysia but studying pharmacology does not make one a pharmacist, it makes you a pharmacology major I suppose. Pharmacy involves a lot of other things apart from pharmacology such as pharmacokinetics, clinical pharmacy, pharmacy practice/law etc.. smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Mar 14 2013, 06:06 PM)
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Do you mind if I ask you what the organic compound you have as your dp is called?
Anyway, anyone doing MPharm at Taylor's here? Twinning to Cardiff sounds impressive. UNMC still my current choice though
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Oh it's adenosine, something close to my heart because my research last year and PhD in the next 3 years involves this molecule. Do you know much about adenosine?
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post Mar 14 2013, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Mar 14 2013, 07:03 PM)
I'm only an A level student lol.
All I know about adenosine is that adenosine triphosphate = ATP = energy!!
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Woops, I thought you were a postgraduate student from the sound of your previous post. tongue.gif

Yeah, ATP is just adenosine with 3 phosphate groups. thumbup.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Mar 14 2013, 07:19 PM)
Organic chem be my favorite so far lol. Inorganic chem is boring as hell.
Anyway, do you have any idea if the news that Monash malaysia is now offering a twinning course for BPharm?
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I haven't heard but students have been doing exchange programmes to Melbourne.
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post Mar 15 2013, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 15 2013, 05:12 PM)
What was your research about with adenosine? related to the heart or DNA stuff?
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Heart. In nine words: Adenosine receptor agonism and cardioprotection in a heart attack. It's not something applied in the clinic at the moment but that's what research is for right? wink.gif
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post Mar 15 2013, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 15 2013, 11:08 PM)
Oh interesting. wondering how adenosine agonism works. As i know the antagonist is helpful in anti-platelet actions though bradycardia and shortness of breath as the side effects makes the treatment a bit tricky for the target group.
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Which drug is that?
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post Mar 16 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 16 2013, 12:14 AM)
Ah I thought so and I was confused because this drug doesn't bind to adenosine receptors. It binds to purinergic (P2Y) receptors on platelets. Binding of an adenosine receptor antagonist to the adenosine receptor causes tachycardia not bradycardia. Just think about caffeine (A receptor antagonist) or when you drink that grande ice coffee from starbucks... you get an increase in heart rate and a palpitation tongue.gif. And think of the approved indication of adenosine in the clinic... supraventricular arrhythmias.

I feel old cause this drug was approved after I graduated cry.gif
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post Mar 23 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(alyaakhairudin @ Mar 23 2013, 09:26 AM)
I hope this thread is still up and running!

Well I just received my SPM result and I got 7A+ 3A. I got A+ for Fz and chem and acct but A for Bio. During my form 4 and form 5 I've been leaning towards medicine in Ireland but then after deeper research, it says that there's too many doctors right now. Plus the working hours is hectic. And I need to study for 7 years in total. So I'm really hesitant right now. Furthermore, I only got A for Bio so I'm thinking is it right to pursue the medical line or change to accounting?

What I can say is that I'm good with numbers. I love addmaths and can score the paper if I put my heart into it. But! I also love Biology but can never seem to score for it no matter how much I read and do exercises -,- For accounting, it's not that I really like it or anything but it's one of those paper that I will always score bcs it's all abt remembering the format. With this, is it 'okay' for me to continue on pharmacy?

What I really want to ask is that :

1) is it true that pharmacist is over-flowing too? Not much job available after graduating?

2) Fresh graduates can go straight to private sector or have to do some compulsory service? (I heard need to do a year?) And does this mean there's too many pharmacist? But if can go straight to private sector isn't that a disadvantage? I mean you'll have no experience being in a hospital dealing with cases and learn from senior pharmacists?

3) I'm thinking of applying for Mara Schlrshp for the "3 years in Malaysia and 2 years in UK" course. With this I don't have to worry abt getting recognition and such right? Worrying if the programme is recognized. And after this programme I'll be MPharm or BPharm? (I'm sorry still confused with all these)

4) If I continue to Masters, how my journey will be after completing the degree? How many years will it be? And does that mean I will have better chance of getting a job by doing masters?

I'm sorry if the question has been asked/explained somewhere. If it's hassle to tell it all over again, you can just show me the link to the page or anything and I'll do the reading. Thank you so much! biggrin.gif
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Hi,

I can't answer a lot of these questions for you because I'm not based in Malaysia (yet) but your post reminds me of myself several years ago when I was in Form 5. I had a twisted love for Biology despite doing really poorly for most of the year in Form 5. I couldn't understand why I did poorly but it remained one of my favourite subjects. Fortunately I did get an A1 for my Biology. Seriously, I think you getting "just" an A for Biology should not deter you from going the healthcare route. I did not take Biology in my pre-university year and I went through my Pharmacy degree just fine. Now I'm doing my PhD in Drug Discovery Biology.

I wouldn't say that there is a saturation of pharmacists at the moment because the government is still trying to reach a healthy ratio (based on WHO standards) of pharmacist : pouplation. I guess it also depends on where you plan to work.

Obtaining a postgraduate degree will certainly grant you various opportunities not accessible to have only an undergraduate degree. Various leadership roles will be available to you. I've seen in the government pharmacy website that they encourage pharmacists to do postgraduate degrees.
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post Mar 28 2013, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(assymessy @ Mar 28 2013, 07:51 PM)
I'm having my SPM this year and I'm planning to take on Pharmacy or PHarmacology biggrin.gif

I really love Chemistry! and Biology!

If it's possible, I would like to study Pharmacy at Kyoto, and live there.
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Good for you! Coming from a background of both pharmacy and pharmacology, I can tell you the Japanese are definitely very good at pharmacology. Keep up the good work and you can realise your dream wink.gif
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post Mar 31 2013, 07:45 PM

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@VilaFrantez

The Japanese have a strong presence in high-impact journals in the field of medicine, biomedicine, pharmacology, biology, physiology etc. They are also one of the world leaders in stem cell research. This is not to say that they are better than the USA or Australia however. They're strong in research but I didn't say that Japan is necessarily a good place to study pharmacology at the undergraduate level. They do however have a university (University of Tokyo) very highly ranked in the field of pharmacy and pharmacology.
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post Mar 31 2013, 10:04 PM

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@ VilaFrantez

Although we should never read too much into higher education rankings by any organisation, I believe this can serve as a rough guide as to who are the major players in the field of pharmacy and pharmacology:

http://www.topuniversities.com/courses/pha...cy-pharmacology
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post Apr 3 2013, 06:04 PM

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In the Malaysian hospital setting, do pharmacists have the opportunity to 'specialise' eg. become cardiology pharmacists/infectious diseases pharmacists/ICU pharmacists/oncology pharmacists etc. ?
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post Apr 5 2013, 03:46 PM

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I'm gonna assume that pharmacists do patrol the wards and check drug charts in Malaysia... do pharmacists stay and 'specialise' in a certain ward on request (perhaps after they've done their rotations in every ward), meaning specialising without exams but through experience?

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post Apr 18 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(arthurw @ Apr 18 2013, 02:12 AM)
Hi guys, I'll be going to stpm next month. Will pharmacist be real saturated by the year of 2020? From what I counted ( duration of stpm, Bpharm course, and gov service), I think I’ll be graduating around that year. So any ideas? Is there a possibility that I will be jobless upon graduating?
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I guess it depends on a few things, including where you intend to practise. I kinda doubt you'll be jobless but it will definitely be more competitive then.
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post Apr 20 2013, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(IamJsLim @ Apr 20 2013, 09:44 PM)
Hello people!
BPharm studet from IMU here.  rclxm9.gif
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post Apr 21 2013, 06:59 PM

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@zstan I forgot what year you were in already - are you in your final year? If so, what is your plan for the next 5 years of your career, if you don't mind me asking?
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post Apr 25 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 24 2013, 10:25 PM)
i would like to know and understand more about what do pharmacies do in hospital.
Are they sittin' in the counter and dispensing those drugs prescribed by doctor?
and for those pharmacies who didn't need to do ward round and work at those common diseases ( eg cough,flu,fever) department, wouldn't they feel bored for their job as they just dispense more or less same drugs everyday ?
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Common diseases department laugh.gif

Pharmacists work in the wards that other healthcare professionals work in too e.g. cardiac ward, oncology ward, infectious diseases ward, psychiatric ward etc. They read patient files/pathology results, do ward rounds, check drug charts, make sure drugs are prescribed/administered correctly and make appropriate recommendations to doctors if there is a problem. This is an ideal example of course and I'm sure most hospitals in Malaysia aren't up to this level yet.

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