At least u can carry your jacked body around even if u cant bench 140lbs, but if you're skinny, what do u gonna do?carry the bench around to show people u can bench 200lbs?

Well maybe that is too much. Probably show a video he bench 200lbs?

This.

Doing triceps isolation exercises and even delt work will also help increase your bench more than you think.

let me emphasize this yeah, since "newbies" is the scope of discussion.


There's a difference between a bodybuilder and a powerlifter.

A powerlifter does not need to look like he can lift 1000lbs but he can actually do so,

A bodybuilder may not be able to lift 1000lbs but he sure as hell looks like he can.

Know who you are, a weightlifter or a bodybuilder. Strength is a good indicator for bodybuilders but not the main objective, a bodybuilder's main objective is his physique.

If you want to be a powerlifter by all means, ignore your physique and work on your strength, but if your goal is to be a bodybuilder , then put the poundages you can lift as secondary.

The biggest mistake "newbies" make is to put too much weight on the bar trying to be a powerlifter but wanting to be a bodybuilder and they end up snapping all their shit up.

SS, madcow, 5/3/1 , HVT, GVT, HIT bla bla bla bla etc are all means to an end. All tools for your to put stress on your musular and nervous system to stimulate new growth. In terms of a bodybuilder, more muscular growth, in terms of a weightlifter, more strength.

Know your objective and work from there. Why complicate things?

I think the TS for this must be damn confused by now... LOL!

This notion is called accessory work.

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Added on September 19, 2012, 1:40 pmThis is where opinions vary. I'd be so ashamed of myself if a guy half my size can bench more than me.

I understand where you're coming from.

But like I said earlier, the heavier you lift the more stress you put on your muscular and nervous system. Which is why I jumped on the bandwagon of SS in the first place. Even if my main objective was size.

Even so, lifting heavier weights every session acts as a strong source of motivation. You'll be more motivated to eat, sleep and lift more.

This post has been edited by fabians94: Sep 19 2012, 01:40 PM

That is your opinion and everyone is entitled for theirs. There is nothing wrong that but belittle others because they have different opinion or understanding than yours is wrong.

So by your statement, people who go for bodybuilding route doesn't have strong source of motivation? You are not there so you didn't know shit and you shouldn't talk shit. Powerlifter aim for strength, bodybuilder aim for muscles. That is their motivation. And saying that bodybuilders doesn't lift more weight/reps than previous workout sessions prove that you are being blinded that powerlifter pawned all.

If you want to have a discussion, don't be one sided bias judgemental assumptions person.

I did not belittle.

What I'm saying is SS will be beneficial for beginners who aim for size as their primary goal. This is because you will still gain size on SS and more once you move on to hypertrophy as you have a good strength base.

I did not touch on lifetime goals.

Neither did I say bodybuilders have no strong source of motivation..

This post has been edited by fabians94: Sep 19 2012, 02:12 PM

LOL if you think SS "accessory" work is the equivalent of a one day bodypart focused split.

You're in for a biiiiiiiiig surprise.

Source: 4 yrs lifting experience.

PS: Mark Rippetoe doesn't look like he lifts.

There is no fixed number for accessory work.. you do it at your own discretion.

Mark Rippetoe does not have a great physique. But his training methods are top stuff as his clients can vouch for it.

Which is why I linked to a modified SS version in the first few posts.

After scrolling through this thread. The only thing i can add is....

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee.........

Dear TS, go on and do SL or SS, either one is fine. At around 20% bf, I would suggest that you lose the body fat a bit before you bulk because I don't think you gonna like how you will look if you start bulking at that level. Have a good diet, stay motivated and have fun lifting. And another thing, cardio is fine, just don't over do it.

Fabian. I'm sad. You're implying i'm weak.

Well there's your problem. You're doing that useless nonfunctional "bro split" instead of SS.

Sorry for asking noob question, but what's "bro split"? i think i know about split workouts where something like isolation workouts, split by days..but what's bro split?

This post has been edited by mikazzz: Sep 19 2012, 04:09 PM

A derogatory term used by hardcore purist powerlifters/strength trainees who only think compounds are the means to an end to categorize conventional bodybuilder splits.

You're right! I definitely need to get more advice from Fabian now.

whatever you say. =)

It's just a definition. I don't agree nor disagree. Heh. B!tch make sure you turn up later for shisha. MJ at 9.

I can barely deadlift 4 plates, but I've been training for 4 years. Pray enlighten me. Show some pics/ vids of urself doing the big 3.

Oh, I just saw the vid. Lol. Just another keyboard warrior apparently.

This post has been edited by John91: Sep 19 2012, 07:30 PM