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post Sep 19 2012, 08:28 PM

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Just saw the video, are you sure you're preaching SS Rippetoe style? Because the way you deadlift is NOWHERE near rippetoe's preaching. Your setup itself is wrong.

Cut feet in half with bar, 1 inch apart between shins and bar, hands down gripping the bar without lowering your hips, drop your knees until your shin touches the bar, look at something on the floor approximately 5 to 7 feet infront of you at all times to keep your head neutral, squeeze your pecs and pull.

I suggest you go to the pinned 101 thread where there's instructional videos of Rippetoe's methods of lifting before you come here and start preaching about how everyone should go about doing SS.

don't get me wrong, SS is a great program, it's just you that's making it look back. ala crossfit zealots. again, crossfit is a great program by itself, but grew a bad name because of its "fanboys ( mikehuan, 2012)"

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post Sep 19 2012, 09:17 PM

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I've seen the way he teaches how to deadlift. But I find that way easier. It's based off an elitefts video.
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post Sep 19 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(fabians94 @ Sep 19 2012, 09:17 PM)
I've seen the way he teaches how to deadlift. But I find that way easier. It's based off an elitefts video.
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And after saying that Mark Rippetoe is far more better than Arnold cause of his training method have fanboys all around the world, you ain't doing what he says? How about you walk the talk first before condemning other people training routine.

Actually I don't want to comment your video cause my deadlift ain't that huge and I didn't have any video to prove it but seeing how you place your hand between your leg on the first lift says that you ain't nothing but like most Mark Rippetoe fanboys. SS>all.


Added on September 19, 2012, 10:13 pmOwh yeah. And you said that your deadlift setup based on EliteFTS video? Are you sure??

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post Sep 19 2012, 10:24 PM

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if i see a guy larger than me doing bro-curls everyday, i would shut up and let him do his bro curls. I would bet money that this dude would not correct anyone's routine at the gym. It's way too easy to type .
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post Sep 19 2012, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Sep 19 2012, 10:09 PM)
And after saying that Mark Rippetoe is far more better than Arnold cause of his training method have fanboys all around the world, you ain't doing what he says? How about you walk the talk first before condemning other people training routine.

Actually I don't want to comment your video cause my deadlift ain't that huge and I didn't have any video to prove it but seeing how you place your hand between your leg on the first lift says that you ain't nothing but like most Mark Rippetoe fanboys. SS>all.


Added on September 19, 2012, 10:13 pmOwh yeah. And you said that your deadlift setup based on EliteFTS video? Are you sure??
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Not everything he says is law. For example, I didn't agree with incorporating cleans in the program.

Which is exactly why I linked to the Modified version in the first few posts of this thread.

I placed my hand in the middle of the bar to increase tension while setting up my underhand grip. Here's a link to the video that I base my form off of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhWfhvJPLE
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post Sep 20 2012, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(fabians94 @ Sep 19 2012, 10:47 PM)
Not everything he says is law. For example, I didn't agree with incorporating cleans in the program.

Which is exactly why I linked to the Modified version in the first few posts of this thread.

I placed my hand in the middle of the bar to increase tension while setting up my underhand grip. Here's a link to the video that I base my form off of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhWfhvJPLE
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Fabian. I rarely take sides but I think you should really stop. You're kinda making a fool of yourself. There are people on this thread who always disagree with each other but when they all have a general consensus of you putting your foot in your mouth, there's something wrong here.

For example, I don't bench press. I smith bench. I don't squat. I hack squat. And the only core I do is deadlift. Are you calling my training sh!t as well? And also calling me weak? You are offending a lot of people who have put blood, tears and sweat into this hobby/lifestyle. It's extremely disparaging and patronizing when you lecture people on absolutism given the fact you don't have the lifting numbers to back it up.

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post Sep 20 2012, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Sep 20 2012, 12:29 AM)
Fabian. I rarely take sides but I think you should really stop. You're kinda making a fool of yourself. There are people on this thread who always disagree with each other but when they all have a general consensus of you putting your foot in your mouth, there's something wrong here.

For example, I don't bench press. I smith bench. I don't squat. I hack squat. And the only core I do is deadlift. Are you calling my training sh!t as well? And also calling me weak? You are offending a lot of people who have put blood, tears and sweat into this hobby/lifestyle. It's extremely disparaging and patronizing when you lecture people on absolutism given the fact you don't have the lifting numbers to back it up.
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You obviously have the knowledge and information to back your decision up.

1) you're swole as fck
2) you're way beyond any beginner routine

This whole dispute started because I was encouraging SS but I discouraged cleans. Everything else was based off mere misunderstandings.


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post Sep 20 2012, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(fabians94 @ Sep 20 2012, 12:49 AM)
You obviously have the knowledge and information to back your decision up.

1) you're swole as fck
2) you're way beyond any beginner routine

This whole dispute started because I was encouraging SS but I discouraged cleans. Everything else was based off mere misunderstandings.
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I do remember your statement where you said "physique=/=knowledge'. whistling.gif
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post Sep 20 2012, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Sep 20 2012, 12:59 AM)
I do remember your statement where you said "physique=/=knowledge'.  whistling.gif
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I stand by that claim. However that doesn't mean everyone with a desirable physique has no knowledge whatsoever.
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QUOTE(fabians94 @ Sep 20 2012, 01:04 AM)
I stand by that claim. However that doesn't mean everyone with a desirable physique has no knowledge whatsoever.
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And there you said that Arnold didn't know shit about training. I guess darklight79 have better physique then Arnold eh? doh.gif
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post Sep 20 2012, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Sep 20 2012, 01:05 AM)
And there you said that Arnold didn't know shit about training. I guess darklight79 have better physique then Arnold eh?  doh.gif
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You're analogies do not make sense. srs

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post Sep 20 2012, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(fabians94 @ Sep 20 2012, 12:49 AM)
You obviously have the knowledge and information to back your decision up.

1) you're swole as fck
2) you're way beyond any beginner routine

This whole dispute started because I was encouraging SS but I discouraged cleans. Everything else was based off mere misunderstandings.
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I dunno about you but the only time i use clean is when my food is dirty.


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post Sep 20 2012, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Sep 20 2012, 01:24 AM)
I dunno about you but the only time i use clean is when my food is dirty.
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u say wot m8?

idk why I find this funny lol
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post Sep 20 2012, 09:03 AM

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The only thing a newbie needs to know:

Lift big, Eat big, Sleep big = Get Big.

It's not rocket surgery lol.
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post Sep 20 2012, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(fabians94 @ Sep 20 2012, 12:49 AM)
You obviously have the knowledge and information to back your decision up.

1) you're swole as fck
2) you're way beyond any beginner routine

This whole dispute started because I was encouraging SS but I discouraged cleans. Everything else was based off mere misunderstandings.
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No misunderstandings from what I can see. You simply ignored every point made againstt you and where you couldn't ignore, you brush it off as a mere "misunderstanding" or deny you made the point in the first place.

The "misunderstanding" is you promoting SS as the best and only program for beginners, and all other programs are "useless", hence me calling you out as a fanboy.

Read back a couple of pages, most of the gist is there anyways

The only comment I'm gonna make about your deadlift is that its more or less the same way I did it when I started out deadlifting. Easier, yes, but deadlift ain't meant to be "easy".

Absolutism is a good description of what's going on here. Though I am following a strength based routine as well does not mean I don't believe other programs don't work. I simply followed what I liked, not because its the "best".

Edit: @djjd: wtf is rocket surgery lol
@razor: basket don't anyhow quote me =.="

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post Sep 20 2012, 11:00 AM

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Just saw the carroll vid. Its good. Try comparing your technique with his, its not the same. U basically stiff legged your way up when the bar reached your shins.
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post Sep 20 2012, 11:44 AM

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Never a dull moment in this thread biggrin.gif
Newbie question..when you guys say 4 plates...what's the weight per plate? 25? 35? 45? pounds?

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post Sep 20 2012, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(VaLeNrUdOn @ Sep 20 2012, 11:44 AM)
Never a dull moment in this thread biggrin.gif
Newbie question..when you guys say 4 plates...what's the weight per plate? 25? 35? 45? pounds?
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45 pounds
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post Sep 20 2012, 02:52 PM

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Oh boy i missed this thread.

But seriously , this SS , 5x5 nut hugging needs to stop really , i can't even post something on BB.com before getting a "Do SS faggot , then move on to Madcows".


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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Sep 20 2012, 11:51 AM)
45 pounds
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damn i'm demotivated now...i deadlift about..let's see 35x4 (2 each side) = 140lbs!!!! and even that kills me...


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