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C&D
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Mar 11 2013, 02:14 PM
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It's my word against yours. There is no right nor wrong.
There is risk in EVERYTHING that we do. Even the most savvy of investors have gone horribly wrong before.
Phase 2 is high larr, no doubt - no need to argue this point. But if the mall and hotel all do well, and the momentum is high, it could well be the premium place in TG. Who is to say this won't be THE premium place in TG?
As I mentioned earlier, it's all about perception. This could be the "in-place"...
Some places, great built-up, fantastic finishing + renovation etc etc, price just won't appreciate. Take BU for eg, the built-up and design is quite poor (up to recent launches), but perception is GREAT, look at the appreciation...
And sometimes, one can't compare vs neighboring condos - eg. how do you explain why some restaurants serving exactly the same food and maybe even taste in the same location, one can do extremely well, while some fail miserably? Again, marketing, perception, trend, etc etc.
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cybermaster98
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Mar 11 2013, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(Ero-Sennin @ Mar 11 2013, 02:00 PM) Do you think the buyers for phase 2 bought 700k studio have no holding power? You are underestimated them. Anyway...its Domino Effect...not Dinamo Effect...
Since you talking about economic of downfall...and you holding 5 properties should start selling all now...don't wait wor...otherwise you not burn...its roasted. Thats why i say u dont quite understand how this whole thing works. If u have the knowledge, u would know that not all properties are affected during a slowdown. How much your property depreciates depends alot on the original rate of appreciation in the first place. If your appreciation was drastic and within a short period and isolated compared to the rest of the properties around you, then it may not be sustainable later on. But if uve invested in MATURE areas then there's good chance for your market values to sustain itself because mature areas have a low debt ratio and consist mostly of own stay investors. Downside is that these areas dont enjoy good rental yields usually about 5.5% only. But if u have invested in other areas but at reasonable prices which did not set a benchmark pricing during launch, then your risk is also lowered. If your pricing is only marginally higher than the actual market value then ure still fine. But if your purchase price is way above market value, then room for appreciation is very much limited and ull be hit hard in the event of a slowdown. But if u have the holding power to sustain paying the monthly loan for at least 1.5 years without being able to sell or rent (worse case scenario), then its fine.
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Ero-Sennin
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Mar 11 2013, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 11 2013, 02:20 PM) Thats why i say u dont quite understand how this whole thing works. If u have the knowledge, u would know that not all properties are affected during a slowdown. How much your property depreciates depends alot on the original rate of appreciation in the first place. If your appreciation was drastic and within a short period and isolated compared to the rest of the properties around you, then it may not be sustainable later on. But if uve invested in MATURE areas then there's good chance for your market values to sustain itself because mature areas have a low debt ratio and consist mostly of own stay investors. Downside is that these areas dont enjoy good rental yields usually about 5.5% only. But if u have invested in other areas but at reasonable prices which did not set a benchmark pricing during launch, then your risk is also lowered. If your pricing is only marginally higher than the actual market value then ure still fine. But if your purchase price is way above market value, then room for appreciation is very much limited and ull be hit hard in the event of a slowdown. But if u have the holding power to sustain paying the monthly loan for at least 1.5 years without being able to sell or rent (worse case scenario), then its fine. TG provide 4 years of DIBS is more than enough to cover worst case scenario MRT complete in 2016 Phase 2 complete in 2017 This post has been edited by Ero-Sennin: Mar 11 2013, 02:25 PM
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C&D
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Mar 11 2013, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 11 2013, 01:57 PM) Rebounds are dependant on how bad the drop is in the first place. Also depends on how the overall economy of the country is at that time. But most importantly is investors must have the holding power cuz if they dont and they start throwing prices just to off load their properties, then ull get a dinamo effect of falling prices. Holding power applies to ALL scenarios, not only here. It's like saying - "Hey, I will promote you if you do well." It's a given. People with holding power have less risk, not none at all. But, doesn't this apply in all circumstances? It's not about TG, it's about how investments are by nature... Question - Would you invest in a condo in say Kuantan worth 300psf vs a condo in KL worth 800psf?
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Bobby C
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Mar 11 2013, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 11 2013, 02:01 PM) Never make money? Some of the ppl who are against TG on this thread are actually seasoned investors whom i know personally and some actually have about 7-8 properties in other areas which have actually appreciated quite a bit. Im quite sure they aren't red eye or anything. One of my own condo's has appreciated 80% in the past 3 years and this appreciation is confirmed by the bank's valuators not by some salesman given u rosy figures.  Actually nothing to shout abt for those who owns properties in KV before 2009. Everyone wins. How much or how less only, kind of luck or you name it no brainier incl urs truly la .. Many over 200% gain oso diam-diam la. Kindly of pure luck not so sophisticated compares to economists, analysis, chartist, ...
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xander
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Mar 11 2013, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(asmabadr @ Mar 11 2013, 02:46 PM) Assalamwailaikum, May Allah's iron will be unto you. We thank you for the positive feedback on this new development. With Allah's grace, we have looking for a place to house our foreign students and staff. From your kind feedback, we have found our future accomodation. The facilities and infrastruture is first class. However, what we may found lacking is a suitable place of worship and Islamic teaching in this area. Are there plans to build the same. Thank you wrong place?
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SeanFD2
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Mar 11 2013, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(xander @ Mar 11 2013, 03:50 PM) Obviously.
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Ero-Sennin
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Mar 11 2013, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(asmabadr @ Mar 11 2013, 02:46 PM) Assalamwailaikum, May Allah's iron will be unto you. We thank you for the positive feedback on this new development. With Allah's grace, we have looking for a place to house our foreign students and staff. From your kind feedback, we have found our future accomodation. The facilities and infrastruture is first class. However, what we may found lacking is a suitable place of worship and Islamic teaching in this area. Are there plans to build the same. Thank you Yes...nearest Mosque is at Jalan Sepah Puteri 5/1...about few mins short drive from this development
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xander
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Mar 11 2013, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(Ero-Sennin @ Mar 11 2013, 03:04 PM) Yes...nearest Mosque is at Jalan Sepah Puteri 5/1...about few mins short drive from this development mayb he lookin for a unit in gardens wif mosque view haha
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Happyman
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Mar 11 2013, 03:14 PM
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Why so many sour grapes one aiyoh....
Every development when launch sure got people bad mouth one, then later when people make money they red eye....
Like I said, TG1<TG2<new nexis<TG3<new sunway dev<TG4
We are safe. It's a sure win la, ding dit lei, 1800psf here we come. Look at SG and Hong Kong, 4000psf everywhere. Now 1100psf you people kuakuagiu....laugh die people meh...
We are on track to 4000-6000psf in the next 10 years. If dont buy now, when? 4000psf?
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Ero-Sennin
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Mar 11 2013, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(Happyman @ Mar 11 2013, 03:14 PM) Why so many sour grapes one aiyoh.... Every development when launch sure got people bad mouth one, then later when people make money they red eye.... Like I said, TG1<TG2<new nexis<TG3<new sunway dev<TG4 We are safe. It's a sure win la, ding dit lei, 1800psf here we come. Look at SG and Hong Kong, 4000psf everywhere. Now 1100psf you people kuakuagiu....laugh die people meh... We are on track to 4000-6000psf in the next 10 years. If dont buy now, when? 4000psf? Love the way you speak bro...
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SUSNew Klang
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Mar 11 2013, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(Happyman @ Mar 11 2013, 03:14 PM) Why so many sour grapes one aiyoh.... Every development when launch sure got people bad mouth one, then later when people make money they red eye.... Like I said, TG1<TG2<new nexis<TG3<new sunway dev<TG4 We are safe. It's a sure win la, ding dit lei, 1800psf here we come. Look at SG and Hong Kong, 4000psf everywhere. Now 1100psf you people kuakuagiu....laugh die people meh... We are on track to 4000-6000psf in the next 10 years. If dont buy now, when? 4000psf? I think we are too slow, wish it is 2000 psf now.
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cybermaster98
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Mar 11 2013, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(Ero-Sennin @ Mar 11 2013, 02:22 PM) TG provide 4 years of DIBS is more than enough to cover worst case scenario
MRT complete in 2016 Phase 2 complete in 2017 U must be really foolish. There is nothing free in the world la. Everything has been factored into the property price. DIBS wont help with property value ok. Its just another method used by developers to push sales fast. Bearing interest during construction is only a small figure.
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Ero-Sennin
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Mar 11 2013, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 11 2013, 04:06 PM) U must be really foolish. There is nothing free in the world la. Everything has been factored into the property price. DIBS wont help with property value ok. Its just another method used by developers to push sales fast. Bearing interest during construction is only a small figure. Anyway, I'm tired of giving free education about this property development. Anyway we use our own money to buy and we not using yours.
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cybermaster98
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Mar 11 2013, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(Ero-Sennin @ Mar 11 2013, 04:10 PM) Anyway, I'm tired of giving free education about this property development. Anyway we use our own money to buy and we not using yours.
Yes when u cant argue like an adult u have no choice but to fall back on that 'my money not yours' like to save your ego...  Btw, we all know the real reason behind this 'free lesson' ya. Only those kiddos with no investment knowledge will be taken up by your salesman talk. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Mar 11 2013, 04:14 PM
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Ero-Sennin
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Mar 11 2013, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 11 2013, 04:12 PM) Yes when u cant argue like an adult u have no choice but to fall back on that 'my money not yours' like to save your ego...  Btw, we all know the real reason behind this 'free lesson' ya. Only those kiddos with no investment knowledge will be taken up by your salesman talk.  Hahahaha...1 Idiotic VS 2 Phases of buyers...really SOHAI...based on the number of replies of forumers here we already know you are the biggest LOSERS...
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xander
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Mar 11 2013, 04:23 PM
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let's hope this thread is still alive when is completed
see who's the sohai at tat time
dont mistake m not taking any sides. i just watch.
mayb tat makes me the biggest sohai
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1ullaby
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Mar 11 2013, 04:24 PM
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A long bull run creates alot of 'invincibility' feeling ya? seen many times in stock market ... it's inevitable
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Bobby C
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Mar 11 2013, 04:26 PM
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Biggest winners are actually developers. Investors like us only tiny winners. Of course many of us qualified with bragging rights since last 3 yrs.
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