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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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post Sep 7 2012, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(murishige @ Sep 7 2012, 10:40 PM)


Shelvey's goal and assist last night
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I don't know why but the commentary cracks me up. Especially during the exciting moments.
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 7 2012, 11:31 PM)
I prefer Martin Skrtel as the captain instead of Lucas. Lucas is too soft. Skrtel has the Keane's fear factor. He's ready to come at you and kill you if you underperform. I like that.
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for this reason, lucas would rise to the occasion. i think lucas (bar injuries, would have a better consistancy in his game, that i suppose helps)

skrtel, may be very vocal, however he hasn't be able to as consistant performer as lucas (i think)
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post Sep 8 2012, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 7 2012, 11:35 PM)
for this reason, lucas would rise to the occasion. i think lucas (bar injuries, would  have a better consistancy in his game, that i suppose helps)

skrtel, may be very vocal, however he hasn't be able to as consistant performer as lucas (i think)
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Agreed. Carra is vocal but the lack of calmness means you often see him berate at his teammates for the slightest of mistakes. A captain, ideally has to be calm and composed. You can be godly in terms of football skills but that doesn't necessarily make you a great captain. After all, captaincy is all about leadership and not everyone is a leader.
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post Sep 8 2012, 01:20 AM

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so this is what they teach them kids at their academy, no wonder they are such a class....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manch...-caught-1310071
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Anybody posted this yet? I urge everyone to take their time to read this:

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/09/tran...dgers-interview

The more I listen to his interviews, the more I'm impressed with Brendan Rodgers. Some say our best signing over the summer was him, it's hard to disagree.
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Thank the God of football for the International Break.
If not it will be another embarrassing event for LFC, no?
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post Sep 8 2012, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 8 2012, 07:56 AM)
Thank the God of football for the International Break.
If not it will be another embarrassing event for LFC, no?
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Nope. Players may get injured during international. That is one problem that we cannot afford to have now.

The next game couldn't come sooner. We need a good result to put away the heartache.

I think we played well after watching all 3 games again without being emotional. We just didn't have the finishing and we make defensive errors. Once the goals start going in, the luck will change.


Added on September 8, 2012, 10:06 am
QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 7 2012, 11:35 PM)
for this reason, lucas would rise to the occasion. i think lucas (bar injuries, would  have a better consistancy in his game, that i suppose helps)

skrtel, may be very vocal, however he hasn't be able to as consistant performer as lucas (i think)
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It's important to have the person that have the presence and influence in the dressing room. Lucas is a very good player but I dont think he has that leadership quality. Almost all the managers love Lucas during their time here. None has selected him as possible captain when Stevie and Carra are not playing. Instead it goes to Reina. It says a lot.

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post Sep 8 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 8 2012, 10:01 AM)
It's important to have the person that have the presence and influence in the dressing room. Lucas is a very good player but I dont think he has that leadership quality. Almost all the managers love Lucas during their time here. None has selected him as possible captain when Stevie and Carra are not playing. Instead it goes to Reina. It says a lot.
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I think in terms of leading by example, the right person who's been a consistent performer all of our previous season and this has been Skrtel. Not entirely sure of the presence he commands though, but you can definitely see him pumping up the others.
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Added on September 8, 2012, 11:50 amBeing: Liverpool

I duno whether anybody share this yet. blush.gif

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post Sep 8 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 8 2012, 10:01 AM)
It's important to have the person that have the presence and influence in the dressing room. Lucas is a very good player but I dont think he has that leadership quality. Almost all the managers love Lucas during their time here. None has selected him as possible captain when Stevie and Carra are not playing. Instead it goes to Reina. It says a lot.
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He was the captain of Gremio and Brazil. Surely you must have some leadership qualities to be able to captain those 2 sides. The likes of Reina and Kuyt were normally picked over Lucas because they are/were senior players. If i'm not mistaken, I think Kenny gave Lucas the captaincy in one of the matches last season.
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post Sep 8 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 8 2012, 11:58 AM)
He was the captain of Gremio and Brazil. Surely you must have some leadership qualities to be able to captain those 2 sides. The likes of Reina and Kuyt were normally picked over Lucas because they are/were senior players. If i'm not mistaken, I think Kenny gave Lucas the captaincy in one of the matches last season.
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It's a very different dressing room in liverpool than Gremio. Charlie Adam was captain of Blackpool and if he captain us, I guess many fans will be upset. No disrespect to Lucas but I just can't see him leading the team. He's more Mr. Congeniality than big brother. Plus, we need to be careful in captain selection. The burden that comes with sometimes bring more pressure to the player which influence his performance.
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post Sep 8 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 8 2012, 12:55 PM)
It's a very different dressing room in liverpool than Gremio. Charlie Adam was captain of Blackpool and if he captain us, I guess many fans will be upset. No disrespect to Lucas but I just can't see him leading the team. He's more Mr. Congeniality than big brother. Plus, we need to be careful in captain selection. The burden that comes with sometimes bring more pressure to the player which influence his performance.
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That's a fair point but i'm not sure you can compare Charlie to Lucas tho. For starters, Lucas has been with us ever since he was 19 years old. He's every bit the flesh and blood of this team, where as Charlie was just someone we signed to fill a gaping hole in the team and even then struggled to adapt to the high standard that is required from a Liverpool player.

Imo, Lucas is already a big brother to a lot of players. I remember reading about our youth looking up to Lucas and some even said that he's their favourite player. He's been a great role model for them both on and off the pitch. I think in this era of transitioning, where our youth will play a big part in laying a new foundation, having someone they can relate to will be crucial.
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post Sep 8 2012, 02:40 PM

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Any games tonight?

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post Sep 8 2012, 02:42 PM

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Apart from Lucas I feel Jonjo might be one for the future. Seeing him right now reminds me of the young Gerrard, their style of play is similar in many ways. For me its always better to have an English or British at least as captain just as how Spanish clubs have their local Spanish lads. English teams have mostly though not always been appointing British players as captains with the sole exception of Arsenal.
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post Sep 8 2012, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Sep 8 2012, 04:30 AM)
Anybody posted this yet? I urge everyone to take their time to read this:

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/09/tran...dgers-interview

The more I listen to his interviews, the more I'm impressed with Brendan Rodgers. Some say our best signing over the summer was him, it's hard to disagree.
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“So Joe knows exactly how I work and you can see him running on, he’s a Liverpool player and will be, his domination of the game and the ball – and he’s not even in his best position. When you have him further on one he’s got another fifty per cent. But because he knows how I work, I have to play him there so he can dominate the ball. But he’s got a lot more to come, so when I get Lucas in that role and can push Joe Allen there you’ll see a different player again as well because he’s so dynamic.


So Allen is the one going to play further up! biggrin.gif Seems like Lucas and Allen gonna feature heavily in BR's plan
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post Sep 8 2012, 04:17 PM

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so gerrard is injured during frenly?
good news? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 8 2012, 03:59 PM)
So Allen is the one going to play further up! biggrin.gif  Seems like Lucas and Allen gonna feature heavily in BR's plan
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Yup and I've said it before that Allen is not a defensive midfielder, he performs best further up the field as a creative force. His pace and dribbling ability on the ball is also underrated. He is only filling in that DM role because Lucas is out and you need a bit of muscle and size to excel in that position which Allen lacks despite his excellent positional awareness. That is why I don't understand when people say its time to sell Lucas when we have Gerrard, Allen, Shelvey and Sahin because Lucas is the only defensive midfielder we have in the squad.
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post Sep 8 2012, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 8 2012, 01:57 PM)
That's a fair point but i'm not sure you can compare Charlie to Lucas tho. For starters, Lucas has been with us ever since he was 19 years old. He's every bit the flesh and blood of this team, where as Charlie was just someone we signed to fill a gaping hole in the team and even then struggled to adapt to the high standard that is required from a Liverpool player.

Imo, Lucas is already a big brother to a lot of players. I remember reading about our youth looking up to Lucas and some even said that he's their favourite player. He's been a great role model for them both on and off the pitch. I think in this era of transitioning, where our youth will play a big part in laying a new foundation, having someone they can relate to will be crucial.
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Fair enough. I hope you are right. He's just not as tough as Skrtel and agger for me. My opinion anyway.
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post Sep 8 2012, 07:42 PM

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remember the times when we used to curse Lucas for everything...how times change. Now we look up to him and hoping he will carry & hold the team together.
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‘You hear Carra a lot more on the pitch and that may leave some people saying “why is Stevie captain and not Carra?” But he is just different.

'He leads by example. It’s those times when we have been searching for a crucial goal and he’s dug in to get us out of difficulty.’
This is what Shelvey said in his interview when he talked about Gerrard. I m quoting this because of our discussion about being vocal.

No doubt, Agger and Skrtel seems more vocal in the sense that they would shout at their teammates when they at complacency or lacks concentration. The same could be said with Reina. But on Lucas, while he hardly shouts at others, he is still influential. At the end of the day, the captain must be one that can influence the ones around him. We have VC to compliment him if he lacks being vocal.

So far, Allen and Lucas are the only two that I can see playing their hearts out despite trailing goals. Stevie, despite being the captain, even lacks the motivation and direction to influence the game when we are trailing. The young Stevie would have still play with motivation but the current him just doesnt have the same burning desire anymore. Which is why I think if Stevie steps down, Carra steps down...Lucas might be a better choice than Reina , Agger or Skrtel...

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