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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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lerijiso
post Sep 4 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Sep 4 2012, 10:41 PM)
i actually will take offense if people say we play tiki-taka...

pass and move.... pass and move... thats liverpool of old is all about.
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I'm with you on that! Every article I read about liverpool will almost always mention tiki taka at least once. Even the ESPN pundits use that term..it drives me mad!!
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(lerijiso @ Sep 4 2012, 10:48 PM)
I'm with you on that! Every article I read about liverpool will almost always mention tiki taka at least once. Even the ESPN pundits use that term..it drives me mad!!
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Should highlight to them that Liverpool are actually playing "teka teki kiki lala" style. laugh.gif
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:05 PM

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Dunno what the fuss is all about. Tiki taka has elements of pass and move too. Doesn't matter anyway what you wanna call it. Tiki taka, pass and move, total football all will mean nothing if there's no clinical finishing upfront and a leaky defence at the back
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(murishige @ Sep 4 2012, 10:45 PM)
tiki taka(barca) = pass and move(LFC) = total football(dutch)
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Tiki taka = barca / total football = Dutch
We should name our playing style also. How about LiLi Bobo? LOL biggrin.gif
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 11:10 PM)
Tiki taka = barca / total football = Dutch
We should name our playing style also. How about LiLi Bobo? LOL biggrin.gif
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Lol..LiLi BoBo sounds neat. We definitely should name it that.
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:22 PM

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Seriously if Messi want to come to us would you all be excited? Do you think he can adapt in our team and maintain his performance that he did with barca? Or he will just be an average player, at most Messi which play for Argentina?Messi + Suarez...looks good...


Added on September 4, 2012, 11:25 pm
QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 11:10 PM)
Tiki taka = barca / total football = Dutch
We should name our playing style also. How about LiLi Bobo? LOL biggrin.gif
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Oppa Liverpool Style and we definitely will have our theme song?? owen as main dancer...?

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post Sep 4 2012, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2012, 09:56 PM)
If the team cannot score a goal from open play through "possession football", I do not see why or any harm trying plan B of high ball, and physical.
After all many said PL is more physical than most other league, isn't it?

If manager cannot have all the money to buy whoever players suit to their philosophy of football, then with existing resources available, won't be better to try to utilise what the player can offer aka play at the strength accordingly, until the manager can find the target personnel, only change the way of play?
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But in our situation we're desperate to get the Plan A sorted out first. There's no point having Plan A or B or C, when your primary tactic is not even polished. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the idea of having various tactics. But i think we need to realize that our priority for the moment is to get one tactic sorted out first. Unfortunately, this would mean leaving ourselves tactically exposed. But this won't even be an issue if we can get our primary tactic sorted out.

Personally, I'm not fond of having to resort to long ball tactic. It's understandable if it's the team's primary tactic but as a plan B it's a sign of desperation. Ideally, the team shouldn't ever have to put itself in that position. For instance, Rafa seldom had to make that kind of adjustment. He would either inject pace or craft to penetrate, but never purposefully resorting to long ball tactic - Carra hoofing away doesn't count lol.
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:54 PM

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right now, the most suitable style of football to us is "put the ball behind the net" or "score more goal".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...month-deal.html

owen to stoke
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:55 PM

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Hey guys, I don't know if everyone has felt this, but I'm gonna mention my one major frustration with the club. Our inability to attract talent. We're in such a shitty position right now that believe it or not, we have to look at mid table clubs to raid players and inspire us. Just look at our midfield. Raheem Sterling, great no doubt, but a greenhorn at 17. Joe Allen, a playmaker from Swansea. That's right, Swansea. Nuri Sahin, who's been on the bench at Real all year, and Borini whom I've got absolutely no clue about. Stevie G is on old legs, and quite frankly other than Suarez and SG, who in the upper 6 players can we get excited about? And let's not start about Downing in left back. Reina is looking more and more disinterested by the day, and save Coates/Agger/Skrtel and Suarez's inventiveness, I'm not sure where our goals are gonna come from. Remember when we pulled off a major coup by landing Torres ahead of MU? Or when Masch joined us? Now we're hitting ourselves over not getting Dempsey.

I can't believe we've landed here in mid table mediocrity. Sigh.

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post Sep 5 2012, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 4 2012, 11:55 PM)
Hey guys, I don't know if everyone has felt this, but I'm gonna mention my one major frustration with the club. Our inability to attract talent. We're in such a shitty position right now that believe it or not, we have to look at mid table clubs to raid players and inspire us. Just look at our midfield. Raheem Sterling, great no doubt, but a greenhorn at 17. Joe Allen, a playmaker from Swansea. That's right, Swansea. Nuri Sahin, who's been on the bench at Real all year, and Borini whom I've got absolutely no clue about. Stevie G is on old legs, and quite frankly other than Suarez and SG, who in the upper 6 players can we get excited about? And let's not start about Downing in left back. Reina is looking more and more disinterested by the day, and save Coates/Agger/Skrtel and Suarez's inventiveness, I'm not sure where our goals are gonna come from. Remember when we pulled off a major coup by landing Torres ahead of MU? Or when Masch joined us? Now we're hitting ourselves over not getting Dempsey.

I can't believe we've landed here in mid table mediocrity. Sigh.
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you're still living in the past. ever since LFC sacked Rafa we've been a mid table club. i accept that and I accept FSG's plan for the future - build young. there are no quick fixes.
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post Sep 5 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Sep 5 2012, 12:00 AM)
you're still living in the past. ever since LFC sacked Rafa we've been a mid table club. i accept that and I accept FSG's plan for the future - build young. there are no quick fixes.
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KD was turning things around. If there are no quick fixes why sack him after 1 bad season? Then start over with someone else. What exactly is FSG's plan here?
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post Sep 5 2012, 12:14 AM

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@amarjourno: Sky Italia are reporting that #LFC are interested in signing Juventus legend Alessandro Del Piero”

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Sky Italia reporting that Liverpool are not only interested in Juventus legend Alessandro Del Piero, but have now made him a contract offer.

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Liverpool are trying to sign Alessandro Del Piero (free agent) after Brendan Rodgers held talks with the player.
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post Sep 5 2012, 12:29 AM

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For real? Del Piero the legend? A little old but the guy was one of the players I adored most when it comes to serie A. Him and Totti.
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post Sep 5 2012, 01:06 AM

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So Owen joined Stoke already?

Can't wait to see Liverpool next match vs Stoke. 10 more days to go...

We really need the 1st victory badly~~~~ drool.gif


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QUOTE(lerijiso @ Sep 5 2012, 12:29 AM)
For real? Del Piero the legend? A little old but the guy was one of the players I adored most when it comes to serie A. Him and Totti.
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How bout Paolo Maldini, Rui costa, Inzaghi? AC's legends. =)

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post Sep 5 2012, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 5 2012, 12:04 AM)
KD was turning things around. If there are no quick fixes why sack him after 1 bad season? Then start over with someone else. What exactly is FSG's plan here?
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KD turning things around? He would have continued playing Henderson, Adam and Downing no matter how bad they played. I just wonder if it was another manager who actually spent the 100 million King Kenny has basically WASTED, where in the table would we be in? We are talking about 100 million pounds.
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post Sep 5 2012, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(rickk @ Sep 5 2012, 01:06 AM)
How bout Paolo Maldini, Rui costa, Inzaghi? AC's legends. =)
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I like Inzaghi but was never a fan of the Milans, Blue or Red. I like Roma.


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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ Sep 5 2012, 01:15 AM)
KD turning things around? He would have continued playing Henderson, Adam and Downing no matter how bad they played. I just wonder if it was another manager who actually spent the 100 million King Kenny has basically WASTED, where in the table would we be in? We are talking about 100 million pounds.
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Kenny probably was a little out of touch when it comes to modern football. The transfers during the time was a disaster business-wise, someone had to take the blame be it KD or Commoli. We got conned by Newacastle, Sunderland and Aston Villa. As a result, players like Andy Carroll had to suffer. Now that I think of it, How could FSG even let that happen, considering they are supposed to be a successful business organisation..its really funny.

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post Sep 5 2012, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 5 2012, 12:04 AM)
KD was turning things around. If there are no quick fixes why sack him after 1 bad season? Then start over with someone else. What exactly is FSG's plan here?
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If you think that finishing 8th after spending 100+ million is turning around then yeah, pretty sure that's an improvement over a 6th place finish. And that was a time when we arguably still have some pulling power on some of the bigger name players so big money moves for Henderson, Downing and Carroll are pretty shrewd moves I guess.


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The Reds boss has stressed it is not just the responsibility of the forwards to score goals and admits it will take time for his methods to bear fruit.

"It's something you continually work on all the time," he said.

"We're still getting the balance in a couple of areas of our game.

"We build the game very well through the thirds, but it's about making sure that when we arrive in the final third, if we can't find the moment to score straight away, we maybe have to have that bit more patience.

"That has a knock-on effect to the team. When you are that little bit more patient at the top end of the field, everyone else behind that then can get into position.

Suarez and Gerrard should take note. Stop dribbling and passing it out of possession at every opportunity.


Added on September 5, 2012, 4:04 amOf all the free agents available I'm especially keen on the legendary Del Piero. Not an out and out striker but a supporting trequartista. Slotting him into the team will allow Borini to move into a more central position because he seem to be our only natural goalscorer. He is also a set piece specialist and have been known to score goals from outside the box. Its no secret we have problems not just scoring but also creating goals. As the City game has proved, set pieces are good alternative to go to when you can't score from open play.

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Sep 5 2012, 02:02 AM)
If you think that finishing 8th after spending 100+ million is turning around then yeah, pretty sure that's an improvement over a 6th place finish. And that was a time when we arguably still have some pulling power on some of the bigger name players so big money moves for Henderson, Downing and Carroll are pretty shrewd moves I guess.
Dalglish's side suffered from the same ailments we have now, an inability to put the ball in the back of the net. We outplayed our opponents 75% of the time, dominating possession and having the most number of shots on goal. We also contrived to hit the post more times than anyone has in a season. His signings may have been questionable but often, we played some pretty decent footy. Rodgers has since come in and looks to be suffering from the same problem - that we simply cannot score. Not much has changed yet but just 3 games into the season, it's too soon to judge so come what may.

My point is that Kenny wasn't doing as bad as some suggest. Of course if a person doesn't watch our games, only highlights, then their opinion would differ.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 5 2012, 08:27 AM)
Dalglish's side suffered from the same ailments we have now, an inability to put the ball in the back of the net. We outplayed our opponents 75% of the time, dominating possession and having the most number of shots on goal. We also contrived to hit the post more times than anyone has in a season. His signings may have been questionable but often, we played some pretty decent footy. Rodgers has since come in and looks to be suffering from the same problem - that we simply cannot score. Not much has changed yet but just 3 games into the season, it's too soon to judge so come what may.

My point is that Kenny wasn't doing as bad as some suggest. Of course if a person doesn't watch our games, only highlights, then their opinion would differ.
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Agree. May I add that we are no longer an aerial threat ever since Torres and Hyppia left. Hence, we are easier to defend. Teams come to Anfield expecting to defend and counter attack. We didnt do too badly in most of the games and were very unlucky not to win most of the times.

We need a way to break the bus that is parked infront of the goal. Barca/ Arsenal uses quick 1-2 passes and they have good finishers. Man City has all rounder, quick passes, aerial threat and good finishers. We dont have anything. Our 1-2 passes always get intercepted or end up with poor finishing. We dont have aerial threat as mentioned earlier. So we are screwed. Just like last season.

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