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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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post Sep 4 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2012, 09:56 PM)
If the team cannot score a goal from open play through "possession football", I do not see why or any harm trying plan B of high ball, and physical.
After all many said PL is more physical than most other league, isn't it?

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Yeah, as evidently showed during the teams display against Arsenal. The tiki-taka (i really hate that phrase btw, the press should be slaughtered for using that to describe BR's style, now its more of a joke) clearly didnt work and during the final 20 minutes and the players just simply hog long balls into the penalty area, but who the hell were they lookin for? Andy Carroll is gone.

Big Andy definitely would provide a different dimension to liverpool's play. As a manager, I would be happy to have him in my team, and in BR's case, having him as a sub and use him whenever Plan A does not work. And start him against certain team that does not handle big strikers very well. He provides options.

So, the club really is in a bit of a crisis at the moment, but I think BR can pull it through. We have difficult fixtures so early in the season its just poor luck.
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post Sep 4 2012, 10:16 PM

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Definitely a possibility. Ayre could soon be made the scapegoat by FSG to cover their own mistakes.
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post Sep 4 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Sep 4 2012, 10:41 PM)
i actually will take offense if people say we play tiki-taka...

pass and move.... pass and move... thats liverpool of old is all about.
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I'm with you on that! Every article I read about liverpool will almost always mention tiki taka at least once. Even the ESPN pundits use that term..it drives me mad!!
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post Sep 4 2012, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 11:10 PM)
Tiki taka = barca / total football = Dutch
We should name our playing style also. How about LiLi Bobo? LOL biggrin.gif
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Lol..LiLi BoBo sounds neat. We definitely should name it that.
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post Sep 5 2012, 12:29 AM

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For real? Del Piero the legend? A little old but the guy was one of the players I adored most when it comes to serie A. Him and Totti.
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post Sep 5 2012, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(rickk @ Sep 5 2012, 01:06 AM)
How bout Paolo Maldini, Rui costa, Inzaghi? AC's legends. =)
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I like Inzaghi but was never a fan of the Milans, Blue or Red. I like Roma.


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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ Sep 5 2012, 01:15 AM)
KD turning things around? He would have continued playing Henderson, Adam and Downing no matter how bad they played. I just wonder if it was another manager who actually spent the 100 million King Kenny has basically WASTED, where in the table would we be in? We are talking about 100 million pounds.
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Kenny probably was a little out of touch when it comes to modern football. The transfers during the time was a disaster business-wise, someone had to take the blame be it KD or Commoli. We got conned by Newacastle, Sunderland and Aston Villa. As a result, players like Andy Carroll had to suffer. Now that I think of it, How could FSG even let that happen, considering they are supposed to be a successful business organisation..its really funny.

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post Sep 5 2012, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 5 2012, 01:18 PM)
2 different woman? He's a player on and off the field biggrin.gif
I like him already. LOL
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Lol. "Player on and off field" witty, i like that.

Anyway, i've watched almost every game last season until there was a time where I have no more emotions or expectations left in me. I watched every game expecting to lose and a draw for me was a good enough result. The Suarez hattrick against Norwich was a surpise win..i was happy for a while and then back to mundaneness. There's also the league cup final which summed up a pretty OK season. But champions league football is always gonna better for the club rather than winning the league cup and finishing outside fourth.

Frankly speaking, we were very unlucky with our finishing last season. We hit the bar/post most than any other clubs. If even half of those chances hit the bar and then went in, we would be challenging for 3rd place. With that said, if a team were hitting the woodwork so much it becomes ridiculous, by then, luck has nothing much to do with it anymore, its just plain poor finishing and a serious lack of belief that the ball would go in.

While I do agree that Kenny did a fine job last season and was sacked without being given enough chances, I still feel that he's not in touch with modern football. Simply because, he never had plan B and never did identify the personnel he had to execute them perfectly. When was the last time we saw him making a game changing substitution? I can only remember the Andy Carroll FA Cup final. Other than that, not so much. And i can never fathom the idea of buying British when the premium is so high and the return is next to zero.

On the Downing subject, he actually was pretty decent without any end product. Stats might show that Downing did manage to create a lot of goal scoring opportunities but our strikers did not have finishing touch or the positional sense to get to the end of his delivery. However, he really was a one trick pony. So damn predictable. The worst is, as a winger, he must have the ability to take on the fullback in one vs one situation but he doesnt show enough of that to convince me. Sterling, in one game did what Downing cannot do in a whole season and i believe many would agree with me on that. A winger's job is to take on defenders in the wide areas and always, the cross must be able to beat the first defender.
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post Sep 5 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(murishige @ Sep 5 2012, 02:05 PM)
If only Downing shot against Sunderland last season had gone in, we wouldn't be treating him like this.

Many judge players on stats, yes he had no goals, yes he had no assists but that doesn't tell you the whole story. Sometimes my friends/relatives said "Downing?dah ade assist blum?" , when he scored against Gomel "eh Downing score?" , I feel like I want to smack them in the head.

here is a fact :
- Stewart Downing created the most chances for team mates without recording a single assist in the premier league at 55.


Added on September 5, 2012, 2:07 pmsome said a winger need to be able to beat his man, well did Beckham beat man after man?NO.


Added on September 5, 2012, 2:10 pmanother thing, people are quick to blame Downing because of his price tag. "Downing for 20m with no assist no goal?waste of money" . Its not his fault, same as Carroll.
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It really is not his fault, the whole team is to be blamed here, no one did their job to perfection last season. Stats really showed that Downing really did his best, a lot of clear cut opportunities that wasn't finished off by Carroll and Suarez. As for goals? I did not expect that from him.

But to compare him to David Beckham is not really a wise comparison don't you think? Beckham did and still does not need to beat his man because his crosses was and still is one of the best in the WORLD. Not to mention his curling free kick. So, your argument failed there.
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post Sep 5 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Sep 5 2012, 02:25 PM)
Well, if this happen, this is not the first time in history, few clicks on google away from the answer.

here you go

most notably, Alec Herd played inside- right,and his son David played inside-left for Stockport County against Hartlepool on the 5th of May 1951,David scored in a 2-0 win.

and the Gudjohnsens pair.

in 1996, Eidur came on as a substitute for his father Arnor Gudjohnsen. well, this is a yes and no case, but the father and the son played in the same international match.
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Interesting facts. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(chillis_x @ Sep 6 2012, 12:00 AM)
Del Piero has snubbed Liverpool to sign a two year contract with Sydney FC #LFC #SydneyFC
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As expected..sigh mega_shok.gif

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/...no-because-of-h

But then again, its understandable. I've forgotten about the Heysel disaster.


Wanna share Michael Owen's Fakebook with you guys. biggrin.gif


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post Sep 8 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Sep 8 2012, 02:42 PM)
Apart from Lucas I feel Jonjo might be one for the future. Seeing him right now reminds me of the young Gerrard, their style of play is similar in many ways. For me its always better to have an English or British at least as captain just as how Spanish clubs have their local Spanish lads. English teams have mostly though not always been appointing British players as captains with the sole exception of Arsenal.
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Shelvey really look like a young Gerrard. The tenacity to attack every balls and tackles are really similar. Gerrard gets a lot of yellow and red card back then due to his tenacious tackling, leg shattering challenges. Lol, i remember cursing him a lot back then, i was young too. And then suddenly out of nowhere the number 17 unleashed a powerful thunderbolt outside the penalty box and into the top corner, the goalkeeper was left stunned. haha, gerrard was class even back then. Sadly, that Gerrard needs to reinvent himself now, his style of play really doesn't age well.

Lucas, i think can be a good captain for LFC. Skrtel can be VC. Lucas will lead by example and Skrtel will be the vocal one. works out well i think. If anyone doubt that Lucas can't handle the pressure of being a captain at a big club, I think he showed persistence in proving us wrong when we all slack him off last time. That was a hard time for him but he never let it pull him down, so i think that is good enough. I'm sorry to say that I was one of those who called for his head too, I was wrong. sweat.gif

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post Sep 13 2012, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(leftist @ Sep 12 2012, 10:04 PM)
Updates on hillsboro live on channel 532 astro
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What is channel 532? I don't seem to have that.
JFT96.
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post Sep 13 2012, 08:27 PM

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Kelvin Mckenzie
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This guy needs to be burn. Look at his disgusting smirk.


Added on September 13, 2012, 8:29 pm
QUOTE(markblurberry @ Sep 13 2012, 08:08 PM)
The closure for JFT 96 brings an end to a long running saga of hardship, difficulty and anguish. What a way to mark the end, after a poignant speech by Mr. Cameron, the huge sigh of relief and justice finally served. This closure means = $$$. I am not being cynical nor stereotypical, and i really hope from the bottom of my heart, the families affected will get some form of compensation and token, especially this being drag for like 2 decades??!!

Not only this incident drag the people of Liverpool down, but it leaves a mark on Liverpool, as our play went downhill afterwards...really hope by this, will lift the club out of 'doldrum', sorry I am being dramatic, and cast away the curse that follows the club. And finally to the families affected, i hope the revelation brings peace. To the departed, RIP.
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Hope this banishes LFC's curse.

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post Sep 15 2012, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 15 2012, 01:43 PM)
Managed to save a copy last night, so anyone interested in ep 1 of Being Liverpool can download it from ..

http://www.mediafire.com/?00w34g5cah122db
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Thanx a lot man.

Great gestures from all the other clubs to show respect for the 96. Honour & Respect, we unite under the name of justice. smile.gif
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post Sep 15 2012, 11:40 PM

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Must win tonite! 50 minutes to kickoff! rclxm9.gif
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post Sep 16 2012, 01:26 AM

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Gerrard is disappointing. Can't adapt to the system all. Johnson is awkward at left back. Wow..I know sunderland just needed one chance to score and they did. Same old same old.
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post Sep 16 2012, 01:29 AM

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Yup. Woy hogson is the worst

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post Sep 16 2012, 02:53 AM

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It was a decent game. I can see the positives. definitely a work in progress. Gerrard is better but he still does not fit the system, looks like a liability everytime he has the ball. Suarez gave the ball away too often, someone really need to kick his ass. What i like about reina is his decision making is always sharp, however, he constantly lacks the ability to execute those decisions. Example today, he came out to parry the ball but didnt get it but it is still the right thing to do. Almost every game he will come out to flap at balls but flap the air or someone's head instead. He made the right call a lot the the time but his body is seriously failing him. Sad..sad. The system is flawed but surely we can't get any worse. Owh..and remember that Steven Fletcher is a great poacher. he is better in the air than Andy Caroll.

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post Sep 16 2012, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 16 2012, 02:47 AM)
My main gripe with the performance was actually the CM. Gerrard and Allen are dynamic midfielders yet they were too static. They kept passing at each other and offered little movement. At times. they were close to each other i thought they might had been holding hands. I don't understand that.
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Mainly its because Stevie was not discipline positionally imo. You can see that his movment is very unpredictable. It is good if you are unpredictable to fool your opponent but its another thing alltogether if you fool your own teammates in the process. And i think his role today is too similar to Allen's. Second striker role fits him better i think.


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QUOTE(leftist @ Sep 16 2012, 02:56 AM)
the lesson from m.u that we should follow is, give time to the manager...ask SAF why he still not get sack in his first season despite m.u finishing 11th!
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True dat. Modern fans are too impatient

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post Sep 16 2012, 03:00 AM

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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Sep 16 2012, 02:58 AM)
Dropping Gerrard deeper and let Shelvey occupy a more advance role is a good move IMO.

Overall, I'm pleased with our today performance. We play offensive football and press Sunderland real hard at Stadium of Light. Just need to cut those silly defensive mistakes.

If Sterling & Shelvey continue to give such consistent performance. I can see them starting every PL games for us.
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I partly agree but i think that its too dangerous to let gerrard play deep without lucas to cover him.


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 16 2012, 03:00 AM)
Next game pls put Coates, Skrtel and agger together. With these kind of defense, RVP will be smiling whole 90 mins as Reina busily picking out the ball from his net.
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Lol. But i fear RVP just like how i fear Fletcher and Saha today. Hope he got injure in training or something. But even without RVP the still win 4-0. We are screwed.

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