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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V30, with <3s

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post Sep 6 2012, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 5 2012, 11:42 PM)
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Oil Catch Tank
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Oil Catch Tank...

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Hi Bro...
Sincere apologies...
Me juz had time 2hv closer look & juz noticed something possibly wrong with OCT connections...

In pic attached of DIY, feel (IINM) the hoses shld be REVERSED 2give correct direction of flow.... tongue.gif

Pls refer 2my earlier posted pic of my ole OCT setup & direction arrows for correct direction of flow from PCV to IM.
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ps. The correct connections wld prevent easy suction of oil caught in FF from being re-sucked out agin easily into IM.
pps. Juz need 2swap the connecting ends @Fuel Filter only... tongue.gif

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post Sep 6 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:58 AM)
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nice wan YAB~!

btw now my tank is using esso, but seem like no pick-up at all... seem shell give my car better pick-up.. even vacuum also easily less thn 5 (previously is higher thn 5-10) if juz slight tap the gas pedal... petrol problem or my open pod problem... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:03 PM

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bonuslink points problem.
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Sep 6 2012, 11:07 AM)
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Hi Bro...
Sincere apologies...
Me juz had time 2hv closer look & juz noticed something possibly wrong with OCT connections...

In pic attached of DIY, feel (IINM) the hoses shld be REVERSED 2give correct direction of flow.... tongue.gif

Pls refer 2my earlier posted pic of my ole OCT setup & direction arrows for correct direction of flow from PCV to IM.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

ps. The correct connections wld prevent easy suction of oil caught in FF from being re-sucked out agin easily into IM.
pps. Juz need 2swap the connecting ends @Fuel Filter only... tongue.gif
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Huhu...can explain in malay?
Tk brape faham

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post Sep 6 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 6 2012, 12:58 PM)
nice wan YAB~!

btw now my tank is using esso, but seem like no pick-up at all... seem shell give my car better pick-up.. even vacuum also easily less thn 5 (previously is higher thn 5-10) if juz slight tap the gas pedal... petrol problem or my open pod problem... hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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u sure or not. don't like say no pick-up at all la. me use petronas, shell, caltex, esso ok je. gheh.

shell fan boy like that one.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Sep 6 2012, 12:16 PM
dares
post Sep 6 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(saga_911 @ Sep 6 2012, 12:06 PM)
Huhu...can explain in malay?
Tk brape faham
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He means the lower hose on the OCT should connect to the engine PCV and the upper hose should connect to the intake manifold.

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post Sep 6 2012, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 6 2012, 12:12 PM)
u sure or not. don't like say no pick-up at all la. me use petronas, shell, caltex, esso ok je. gheh.

shell fan boy like that one.
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sure lar... summore FC worst thn shell... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:19 PM

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On another note:

It seems that even when L gear gives me better vacuum reading, the km/l and fuel flow rate does not reflect the same. In fact the fuel flow rate is slightly increased when in L (running richer) for the same throttle position. I am guessing that's the torque-based ECU at work.

In that case, the vacuum meter is no longer a reliable indicator if the amount of fuel is less dependent on the manifold air flow.

I will be monitoring the instant km/l and fuel flow rate instead, since they get their readings from the injectors, it's suppose to be as accurate as it gets.
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(saga_911 @ Sep 6 2012, 12:06 PM)
Huhu...can explain in malay?
Tk brape faham
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Hi Sdr...
Gua pnye BM tak baik la... blush.gif
Me cuba, ok...?

Ya...tiub2 tu kena tukar 1 sama lain supaya arah penghisapan wap minyak adalah ikut arah yg sempurna & betul...supaya tak senang dihisap kembali ke Intake Manifold iaitu engine.
Tlg ikut arah dlm foto yg I dah kepilkan dulu...ikut arrow2...

Senang sekali ialah Sdr terbalikkan sambungan pada fuel filter tu saje....

Harap boleh faham....TK. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Sep 6 2012, 12:15 PM)
He means the lower hose on the OCT should connect to the engine PCV and the upper hose should connect to the intake manifold.
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TQ very much, Bro...4yr icon_question.gif !! notworthy.gif
Me velly slow 2key in here now...not home la... blush.gif

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iskazulka
post Sep 6 2012, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 6 2012, 01:19 PM)
sure lar... summore FC worst thn shell...   sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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sure esso/mobil/petron fan boy/girl rage after this.. sweat.gif


Added on September 6, 2012, 12:21 pm
QUOTE(zeone @ Sep 6 2012, 01:19 PM)
Hi Sdr...
Gua pnye BM tak baik la... blush.gif
Me cuba, ok...?

Ya...tiub2 tu kena tukar 1 sama lain supaya arah penghisapan wap minyak adalah ikut arah yg sempurna & betul...supaya tak senang dihisap kembali ke Intake Manifold iaitu engine.
Tlg ikut arah dlm foto yg I dah kepilkan dulu...ikut arrow2...

Senang sekali ialah Sdr terbalikkan sambungan pada fuel filter tu saje....

Harap boleh faham....TK. notworthy.gif
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meaning, pasang terbalik. yang mula2 tu salah pasang.

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post Sep 6 2012, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 6 2012, 12:19 PM)
On another note:

It seems that even when L gear gives me better vacuum reading, the km/l and fuel flow rate does not reflect the same. In fact the fuel flow rate is slightly increased when in L (running richer) for the same throttle position. I am guessing that's the torque-based ECU at work.

In that case, the vacuum meter is no longer a reliable indicator if the amount of fuel is less dependent on the manifold air flow.

I will be monitoring the instant km/l and fuel flow rate instead, since they get their readings from the injectors, it's suppose to be as accurate as it gets.
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so wait for ur full report... kumbang hamsap tua~! wub.gif

QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 6 2012, 12:20 PM)
sure esso/mobil/petron fan boy/girl rage after this..  sweat.gif


Added on September 6, 2012, 12:21 pm
meaning, pasang terbalik. yang mula2 tu salah pasang.
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haha.... for my car lar... open pod mar.. sure will different a bit lo sumore i manually shift my auto gear, so easy to know the pick-up...
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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 6 2012, 11:58 AM)
nice wan YAB~!

btw now my tank is using esso, but seem like no pick-up at all... seem shell give my car better pick-up.. even vacuum also easily less thn 5 (previously is higher thn 5-10) if juz slight tap the gas pedal... petrol problem or my open pod problem... hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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hmm.gif I think bonuslink problem as addressed by Iska icon_idea.gif

By right you can't feel the difference as the bloody ECU will auto ejes the igition timing to accommodate your petrol doh.gif Unless u drive kabureter mia kereta like my Iswaga. Immediately can feel the difference liao.

For your case, you'll just have to monitor your vacuum meter, drive as closed to 10-15in/hg as possible regardless of speed. In the end FC will speak for itself. FC can't be adjust, only ignition timing can. So, if you strictly obey vacuum, set all feeling aside, you'll get more accurate results in the end nod.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 6 2012, 12:20 PM)

meaning, pasang terbalik. yang mula2 tu salah pasang.
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Yup, correct yg itu tak correct, Bro... tongue.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 6 2012, 01:23 PM)
so wait for ur full report... kumbang hamsap tua~!  wub.gif
haha.... for my car lar... open pod mar.. sure will different a bit lo sumore i manually shift my auto gear, so easy to know the pick-up...
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i also manually shift my auto gear.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:58 AM)
down hill
Wheels is spinning faster than engine, you will get all sort of error in reading vacuum. Most of the time during down hill, your vacuum reading stay below 23(24,25). When vacuum reading stay below 26, also mean the combustian chamber burning lean. Lean burning can raise temparature up to 800'c. Despite your sensor reading as normal 400'c at the catcon, you wouldn't know what kind of harm done to your head gasket. Often I heard people going Genting come back with a wreck engine despite radiator didn't boil, there's a good chance that the head gasket was burnt during downhill due to ultra heat developed by lean burning. Manual transmission can opt of lower speed downhill. Or declutched at idling RPM. Auto/CVT, I have no experience, you'll have to figure it out.
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On new EFI engine, fuel supply is cut on downhill. It doesn't burn lean, there's just simply nothing to burn. The combustion chamber temperature should not rise excessively just because of downhill high vacuum reading.

For carburettor engine, the lean burn may occur. Disengaging the gear on EFI engine will cause fuel to be injected again during downhill, wasting some fuel.

From Toyota: http://forum.diyefi.org/download/file.php?...a086b&mode=view
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM

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z1, what happen if salah pasang? got problem or not?
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 6 2012, 12:24 PM)
hmm.gif I think bonuslink problem as addressed by Iska icon_idea.gif

By right you can't feel the difference as the bloody ECU will auto ejes the igition timing to accommodate your petrol doh.gif Unless u drive kabureter mia kereta like my Iswaga. Immediately can feel the difference liao.

For your case, you'll just have to monitor your vacuum meter, drive as closed to 10-15in/hg as possible regardless of speed. In the end FC will speak for itself. FC can't be adjust, only ignition timing can. So, if you strictly obey vacuum, set all feeling aside, you'll get more accurate results in the end nod.gif
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i drive as usual ler... sumore drive like turtle 2krpm @70km/h vacuum within 10-15... now clock @200km left 2 bar... mostly left 2bar shell can roughly clock around 230km oh... i also tak tau apa hal ni.... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM)
On new EFI engine, fuel supply is cut on downhill. It doesn't burn lean, there's just simply nothing to burn. The combustion chamber temperature should not rise excessively just because of downhill high vacuum reading.

For carburettor engine, the lean burn may occur. Disengaging the gear on EFI engine will cause fuel to be injected again during downhill, wasting some fuel.

From Toyota: http://forum.diyefi.org/download/file.php?...a086b&mode=view
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monday u went to sri petaling new lucky restaurant makan kah ? i think i saw u... but dare not confirm that is you... LOL !


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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 6 2012, 12:31 PM)
i drive as usual ler... sumore drive like turtle 2krpm @70km/h vacuum within 10-15... now clock @200km left 2 bar... mostly left 2bar shell can roughly clock around 230km oh...  i also tak tau apa hal ni....  rclxub.gif
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face problem kah ? tongue.gif

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post Sep 6 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM)
z1, what happen if salah pasang? got problem or not?
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Minyak yg terkumpul akan lebih senang dihisap keluar drp FF ke Intake Manifold....
Ini tidak akan capai objektif pemasangan OCT pada asasnya...IINM.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 6 2012, 12:28 PM)
i also manually shift my auto gear.
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Sep 6 2012, 12:31 PM)
monday u went to sri petaling new lucky restaurant makan kah ? i think i saw u... but dare not confirm that is you... LOL !


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face problem kah ? tongue.gif
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