Glad to hear that. The EU community here are also bias towards manticore but some are using DW. Check this dude out, on my friend list and he loves the DW build. Can't stop championing it. http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/prod-2134/hero/14982274

The thing with DW is that it heavily favors hatred regen and disc regen with the NS passive. I don't know about the damage range yet as i've yet to use one but i feel manticore kicks DW build anytime of the day due to the much more solid damage output. Don't be fooled by a DW having more DPS on paper than u if u're using a manticore because CC is also factored into DPS. My feel with DW is that the DPS is there is base on a hypothetical DPS and the manticore is too but to a lesser extent.

uhmm...2-3 hits on white mobs for mp2? whats the min dps to do that >.< (without SS)

Hmm, very hard to answer that. Do u mean like left click attacks? Different mobs have different HP as well.

Well, you should really upgrade your quiver. That's the biggest gain you can gain so far. And one more thing, if u're insisting on going DW or 1H with quiver, make sure you get as much average damage possible on rings and amulets. I see lots of dual wielders in europe using rings with IAS, CC, DEX and smth else but not average damage. Don't do that.

Yeah..I can understand the DW side of their story (2x stacking of main stats....2 sockets...and getting the Danetta's bonus/ Calamity MFD). But the damage was just inconsistent to me, hence thats was why I ditch it. Actually I had more fun playing with 1 hand with a DML with 20% ASI. thats 5 % more than the DW benefit. The only cute thing with that build was, you can really push the CC up to no mans land. Was trying to get above 70% but heck didnt want to waste gold just to test a build... but if I am not mistaken the max CC for a DH will be about 77%?

10 from Ammy, 10 from Gloves, 10 from quiver, 12 from Helm and bracers, 12 from rings, 7 from nats set, 10 from Archery, 1 from Inna belt..and 5 from base = 77%.(ironiicaly monk's special number..7..lol)

You can stack the nats set so i think is higher than 77.

never use dual 1 handed crossbow...
really waste of stat...
1 handed xbow + DML is better
DML gives so much that another bow will never give...
i'm currently using 1.2k calamity with 96 CD and socketed radiant star emerald...
DPS 137k unbuffed ( with archery )
my atk spd is 3.03 and CR 54

I think AS of 2.5 is just nice. Don't need to go above that. Well, that's what i see most DW users in Europe go for.

Very nice calamity you have, how much does it cost?

bought it for 199mil.. still need to get a better one not good enough yet..

i want higher AS cause of bola shot... i need to stun the bosses in IM..
helps alot farming higher mp also

199 sounds fair to me. Well, i'm at 2.08 AS and i stun ubers no problem.

got a tyrael might drop for me yesterday night...not bad the armor with the demon and elite bonus.

and 1 from inna's pant. and 10 from caltrops if you consider that in. not always on though

haro.. I'm a new DH here. Recently re-starting this char after a long time. Seeking a build and equipment advise from all sifus. Please advice ya? KELIK ME

I'm still unsure on whether its best to:

1) Dual Weld
2) Hand Crossbow + Quiver (to get the 10cc on quiver)
3) Crossbow (manticore) + Quiver (huge dmg but very slow attack speed)

I've started the ball rolling by getting a mempo and a Vile Ward.

Whats next?

either 2 or 3 lo...

dml now so cheap.. below 10 mill can get >15% attk speed and also dex and vit stat above 200 easily and finally 9.5cc.

as for if 1h xbow or manticore then its up to you.... both got pro and cons.

1h xbow will generally help with discipline regeneration
manticore the only way for high Dps stats...

The nata 2-pc gear set bonus provides 7cc is simply too good to pass up. Grab 1 nata bf in ah for 70M and is now looking for its trifecta ring (pooh! ...gold > 1.5b)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MOBAjob...6/hero/17251598

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Nov 9 2012, 11:40 AM

Thanks alot for ur advice

Well I'm a dps fag so i guess i will go for it. But Manticore really serowwww... means I have to keep pumping IAS.
THe only thing about manticore is the 2 slots + base CD which can really give a huge boost to CD but super expensive.
I see the calamity actually not that bad

What are the things on my gears which needs changing by priority?

Wow, invested in mempo and vile ward first. Nice.

Well, which choice really depends on your play style. With option 2 you are probably gonna have the lowest damage of all 3 options but the highest CC. Option 1 gives you the fasters AS and option 3 gives you raw dmg.

Just so u know, manticores users are not slow. I'm at 2.08 AS. Don't think that's slow. Is just that you have to focus on AS more than others.

Normally, i'll tell you to upgrade your quiver first but here i think your boots should go first. Try to get the 2p natalya set for the 7 percent CC. DML try to get with 20IAS (with disc even better).

Rings if u go manticore, get them with average damage, IAS, CC and DEX. I think CD here is the least important because CD give on rings are very little. Amulets swap IAS with CD.

p.s: Your WD is very very nice. The carving knife i know is very expensive !

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 9 2012, 11:43 AM

Thanks for another great advice

After i begin i know i got serious AS issues (Cos manticore was a loot so i thought just use it first). Seroow. So thats why I bought the mempo first. I had good experience with Ward on my WD so i gave it a try. Total for both around 20m+ cos they are not super high stats.

With your advice, I will proceed with the below in order:

1) boots (ice climber or fire walkers or nat shoes?) If go for the Nat 7CC then means shoes is a must.
2) DML I'm actually eyeing one already. But i was still hesitating cos current quiver giving 250VIT I guess i have to sacrifice th VIT
3) I'm a fanboi of having avg damage in jeweleries so I'll follow your advice no matter what But since CD is least important i'll show more tendency on IAS attr too then.

Thanks for your great advice.

If I were to go for Nat 2 pc for the 7CC. Boots with what? The Cloak?

p/s: WD very hard to go up sommore unless spend billions on a dead + overpriced chicken

This post has been edited by ahhoe80: Nov 9 2012, 11:58 AM

For Nat, for me, it would be the boots + the ring.

I won't say CD is the least important. It gives you the dmg when you crit. You need some CD too.
I think CD is not much a concern since we have Manticore with CD + 2 sockets.
Focus on your CC & IAS.

Why you play DH now?

Nah, is a pleasure to help another fellow DH. We should reclaim our spot as the most imba hero like our days during before AS was nerf and nether tentacles nerf as well..

Well..

1. Well, yeah get the NAT shoes with the cloak is cheapest combination cuz if u want to go with ice climbers and yet get the 7percent CC, you probably need a NAT ring and a nice one is going to cost a lot. Get vit on the boots as well. It'll help out eventually.

and besides, once u start crafting hellfire rings, u're probably gonna use it for the bonus exp. A NAT ring with CC, IAS, DEX and Average Damage is gonna cost a lot. My current ring (the wailing host) with those stats with 4 percent to elite is 120mil only. So yea, don't get the NAT ring unless you have gold to burn.

2. DML with 20 IAS and disc if possible. Oh, before buying your DML, u need to decide whether u want to use Bola Shot or Hungering Arrow. THen buy the DML with either Bola, HA or Elemental Arrow bonus. Unless you wanna go with entangling shot la.

3. Yeah, am a fan of average damage as well. Gives you insane DPS. I think unless we have billions CD comes last on rings cuz a CC and CD ring with say 30 CD is not as good as a ring with CC and IAS for a manticore user. We can pump CD using a 2 socket manticore =)

4. Oh, get the NAT clock with Disc.

p.s: Man, your WD is very very nice. I'm thinking of rolling one as well. That WEP alone is already mahal. I think 800mil minimum right?

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 9 2012, 12:24 PM

Alo... i forgot u got play DH too haha.. good good. Next time i can inherit ur gears

CC wise I think I'm going to ensure I will hit the 45%CC at least. Will still maintain it on a CC/CD build like my WD. But this time just have to worry one more which is IAS.

Just managed to take a peek at AH, Nat set really expensive wei..

I did a quick search Nat boots based on 200Dex, Vit, Movement speed and 75AR already hit at least 100m How to buy? Its worse than Nike alaready

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Added on November 9, 2012, 12:26 pm

No la bro, where got so expensive. I bought it at a good deal at 160 only It would cost more if the dmg is slightly higher (hit 1k mark) but very hard to find near perfect roll on CD, %dmg and max INT. So i guess i just have to be contented for now even the dmg is not that high. Thats why have to rely on avg dmg on jewelleries cos the dead chicken is fakkap already

This post has been edited by ahhoe80: Nov 9 2012, 12:27 PM