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post Sep 10 2012, 10:25 AM

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Typo lah..what I meant was new conti 4000s. I need another cassette for my old rear wheels. So when I cycle on trainer I can swap the rear wheel with the old set of tires. Now I have extra rear wheel but no cassette.


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post Sep 10 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(sunghajung11 @ Sep 10 2012, 10:29 AM)
Hi there,
I'm plannin to get a bicycle trainer to train at home.
Any suggestion? price less than 1k la. hopefully 500 plus can get?
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You can get the minoura trainer. I forgot the series but you can get the low end model ~ RM5++ - RM7++
QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 10 2012, 10:30 AM)
if you get the 32T.. use your current 11-28T.. don't see any problems except having to turn the barrel adjusters a bit to ensure it shifts up and down smoothly.. it's mostly caused by the slight difference in freewheel positioning and that depending on the difference between both your wheels might cause from slightly laggish shifts or possibly a few gears that might not shift accurately...
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Thx bro. Aa suddenly got things to buy for my bike. Not going to upgrade my frame anytime soon, but will upgrade in bits and pieces. Would love to have a new carbon crank too. Compact. Any recommendation? FSA? Budget 1k can get or not? thumbup.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 10 2012, 11:07 AM)
if you don't mind the group impurity... SRAM Red is a good consideration.. in fact Force is already a good one... i've seen a couple of shimano equipped bikes running SRAM Red... mostly i think due to needing a BB30 crank which shimano does not have...

That being said, the Red crank has carbon arms and is considerably light... and if you choose Red.. .it comes with blackbox BB i believe... which is ceramic hybrid bearings...  crank along is in the region of RM1.2k if i recall correctly.. the GXP  BB another couple of hundreds...

it depends on what you plan in your road map.. if you are starting to get itchy and want to upgrade while only maintaining 1 bike... i suggest you stop upgrading and cut your losses now...

most probably your future bike might have stuff like BB30 and things that forces you to forego transferring components from your current bike... and having a complete bike purchase is much more cheaper than getting a frame upgrade...

much like when i plan for the Race Machine... a fully stock SRAM Red Race Machine is priced @ RM15k conservatively... if i built mine from a bare frame with SRAM Force but slightly different component which is no better than the stock one, it passes RM14k and i don't get SRAM Red... if i select back the same Easton cockpit, even worse... SRAM Red will blow it past RM16k easy... even the older pre-2012 ones...
i think most bike shops might have it... but you can check with pedalspot as i see them having couple of models..
Just checked, the crank alone for Red is 1k+ and force is 800+. You got a point there with the costing. However my roadmap is unclear. Haha. Prolly will get the SL4 down the road but I know not in a very near future.

So while waiting for that day to come, perhaps upgrading bit by bit for a better parts can make that marginal difference..

Btw, if you could make your super climbing machine, what would it be and the specs? Don't say ex5! Haha. Cervelo r5ca?

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post Sep 11 2012, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 10 2012, 07:46 PM)
the BB is another couple hundred bucks... don't forget that... the new 2012 or the old crank?

it will make some difference... that is no denying.. just don't regret spending those money and then later finding it down the drain... jus speaking from my perspective... experimentation is a very painful way in cycling...

money no object... it will be some crap bike that no one has heard of before (some custom low volume german carbon production units like spin)... as miaopurr says...R5CA is too mainstream... it is just another expensive bike...

else, my midlde ground dream bike would be the canyon ultimate CF i think ... or a supersix evo...not to say that the top end Trek Madones or SL3 & SL4 are bad.. but either of them would do me jus fine.. .owning all would be a cool thing...along with a ton of wheel selections sitting there waiting for my abuse...

i don't think there will be an ideal bike in my opinion... the ideal bike is of course one that lets you feel that it is the bike you can bash everyone into a pulp day in day out... not a particular brand or bike, but "the bike"... which is why i kinda stick with watever i can get from my bike shop... but i mix and match stuff and features to what i particularly look for...

so, my reference now is just a simple stiff enough carbon unit with a not so top end group and some bomb proof wheels...the others like cockpit will be a matter of fitting... having money to change out parts just to try them out for fitting will be a plus for me... having to hit it on the spot without having to try them is the killer...
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Well I kinda agree with your points on having a good frame with not so top end group. As from my observation, the only beneficial gains you could have from bike upgrades would be frame and wheels. Better group, better shifting experience, no doubt about it, but it is very marginal. Anyway the best I could go would be the ultegra groups..no DA for me.

talking about supersix evo, on my last Sunday ride..I saw a father with his 3-4 kids, he is riding a supersix evo team. The rest of his kids all are riding canonndale, forgot which model...so damn rich! blush.gif

QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 11 2012, 09:31 AM)


Added on September 11, 2012, 10:09 ammr.jgx...while googling.. realized GH already brought in the Specialized (non s-work) tarmac sl4 expert... and the new 2013 model some more...

http://www.baikbike.com/new-arrival-2013-t...rt-mid-compact/

black on black livery some more..
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although, i can't come to admitting that the s-works does look nicer.. especially with the corima MCC's...
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My recent visit to GH, saw two Tarmac sl4, non sworks..price tag was around RM13k+...could be cheaper. They don't carry the non sworks frame for sale, only the sworks frame are there for sale. In short, we have to buy the full set bike..but they do sell SL3 non sworks frame.

Do you guys know..what is the stiffness difference between the SL4 sworks and non sworks? Same material right? Or if the difference is very obvious, then I better save my money for the sworks frame. A whopping RM10K+..... wink.gif

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post Sep 12 2012, 07:29 PM

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Sigh,,nowadays there's a lot of chicks riding bike that is way more expensive than me ...

Ok..made up my mind. Will aim for that sl4 sworks...until the day comes when I have enough money for it, sl5 already come out...haha
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post Sep 12 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Sep 12 2012, 10:44 PM)
where??? where??? where???

where you ride?

y not u use ur merinda to overtake them?
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Haha. Secret place whistling.gif read your blog..the trip to Fraser looks damn nice! So the usual parking to start cycling is at the KKB Stadium eh? Got route map not? Looks nicer than Sempah... hmm.gif

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post Sep 13 2012, 11:48 AM

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Damn..the Fraser ride look damn nice..my Merida would look damn nice at the clock tower..damn damn damn..

When to ride...sigh
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post Sep 13 2012, 12:49 PM

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Eh how to know my bike stiffness level? Where can I refer to..so that I can compare with frames that is double or triple more expensive than mine. Who knows the stiffness is more or less the same, than uogrades will be useless..


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post Sep 14 2012, 09:14 PM

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I think I saw one omega pharma rider using specialized sl4, not sworks in one of the tour currently on Eurosport this week. Is it the tour of Britain?


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post Sep 14 2012, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(Confession @ Sep 14 2012, 09:23 PM)
If not mistaken, is Team IG – Sigma Sport, one of the team participating in Tour of Britain. Currently live Stage 6 http://sports-livez.com/channel/ch-50.php

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=468...&type=3&theater
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nope..that wasnt the jersey I saw..it's more like omega pharma. hehe it shows that even pros are not using the top level frames.
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post Sep 15 2012, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 15 2012, 12:04 AM)
it's not un-common practice to have different bikes within even a worldtour team...

many years ago.. 2008 to be precise when bruyneel took over astana... the entire team was riding the Trek Madone 5.2.. not the top end bike then as the 6 was already launched... reason during that time was the 6 would go under the UCI limit with their standard team builds and require a lot of work to get it above the limit... mechanics would have to waste time pairing it with heavier cassettes or chains and try to string lead weights at the lowest point of the bikes...

some mention about it here...
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/pro-...k-madone-16689/

good to do if it was the team's captain or star rider.. but sometimes a bit of waste in time to do it for the domestiques... it is possible that they might choose a heavier frame instead to get the weight increase...

most likely.. the pro continental teams are the ones who cannot afford top end frames for all riders and some riders within the team will get lower end models..

there was even rumor that Carlos Sastre in 2009 or 2010 actually did not rode the R5CA launched during that time.. but was actually riding a production R5 that was not yet launched... hence, it explained as why his R5 did not have the black on black styling of the R5CA.. but it was still a custom paint job for his 2008 tour win yellow livery..

it comes to show that the gains on top end frames are so marginal on ones that are a tier or 2 lower that even pros can let it slide a bit...
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Couldn't agree more with your reply. It shows how a normal SL4 will be very much sufficient for most of us. thumbup.gif

One of the pedalspot member went to the recent Eurobike, I believe Merida brought him there. He claimed that next year Merida will be sponsoring the pro tour level team, and it will bear a full Merida brand on the jersey of the team. So yes Merida is going serious, and it's bike price hike is expected. hmm.gif

Ossymetric chainring. Interesting read. Just looking at the shape has already gave me a feeling of the extra pull it might have on every pedal stroke.

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/09/osym...ick-or-miracle/



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post Sep 15 2012, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 15 2012, 02:14 AM)
you meant the boss went? it was mentioned before in cyclingiq that the company is trying to secure a team. not surr if it will happen though...

osymetric is brads fav chainring. but i think rotor is better as it has multiple mounting hole options to let you finetune the downstroke and it comes with chain catcher and available here now. osymetric nearest to us is in japan
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It was Kent who went there..if I spelled his name correctly tongue.gif
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post Sep 21 2012, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Sep 20 2012, 11:17 PM)
that's the cheap ones...

this are the babies i am looking for.. it's fully sealed but the housing is a paint chipper... expecting over 300 for the entire set...
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can't say much for the avanti.. but the allez and sr01 is a good bike but a tad pricey for an alloy bike... almost venturing into entry level carbon bikes like mr.jgx's merida scultura evo 904... roughly above 7k with 105 as well..

the allez i saw was listed over 5k msrp at gh... not sure about the final price but both bikes are very good at this level...  if i recall correctly... so, is the sr01 listed at 5.5k.. but if you said it can be discounted to 4.7k... it's a good thing... just not sure if you can get the same level of discounts with gh...

i would go with the new 2013 allez if they arrive in a couple of months time over the sr01... but if they hit close to 6k.. serious considerations have to be made into getting a entry level carbon...

at the end of the day.. you have to base your decision on whether which bike shop you are more comfortable with as it will be a long term relationship if you don't already have cycling friends... aesthetics also might play a role in this with the BMC having less appealing color schemes than the allez...
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not 7k anymore..should be 5k-6.5k only nowadays since the 2013 merida line is on sale already.. it's a good carbon bike..last i weighed it's around 8.3kg with FR0 and 105 grouppos. I think the crank is the culprit for the weight. all in all, im pretty satisfied with my purchase...i'm glad I get a carbon bike smile.gif

from my observation..there are 3 options if you want to indulge in cycling. get a the basic alloy bike (I would skip this option), get the medium range bike (carbon is preferable), and get the top end of the line where your money permits you.

if you choose option 1, you'll end up choosing option 2 and 3 later on.
if you choose option 2, you'll be glad you didn't waste your money on option 1, but you'll be dying to choose option 3 if you failed the temptation.
if you choose option 3, you'll be damn proud with your effing expensive super duper pro bike. But if you can't sustain your cycling passion, you'll regret you didn't choose option 1 or 2 and save a whopping lots of money.

so as a conclusion, for us mere weekend riders, or hobbyist, not even a semi pro, who entered a couple of dualthlons or triathlon not for living, leisurely or actively riding with your filthy rich cycling buddies with those italian frames and the likes...option 3 is not worth your money. neither do option 1.

just settle for option 2. get a medium range bike, and a good medium range one will cost you from 5k-10k.

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post Sep 23 2012, 09:05 PM

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Yeay! It's confirmed that Merida will be in next year UCI World Tour with the new team Lampre-MERIDA.

Joy! Better get the bike now while it's affordable, I foresee the price gonna hike as much as the Specialized and the likes.


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post Oct 1 2012, 12:58 PM

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Valverde is practicing 3000 abdominal crunches everyday. Wow!
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post Oct 2 2012, 11:42 PM

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is that contador new appearance? aha
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post Oct 2 2012, 11:47 PM

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butthead...if Im going to use 11 speed...what's the component needed to upgrade? RD, cassette, chains and shifter only right?
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post Oct 3 2012, 10:53 PM

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yeay. just put an order for the medium cage ultegra 6700. hehe. my merida will be zipping along pinarellos up sempah after this wit my 32T force cassette biggrin.gif flame flame.
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post Oct 5 2012, 01:18 AM

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butthead..u gonna like this Ti bike.

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/10/bike...e-bunch-legend/
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:21 PM

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haha. I believe the Merida terms with Lampre is for the next 3 years. It might not be as big as Trek, Specialized and the likes but it sure feels good watching the brand competing on the pro tours (at least for Merida owners like myself).

Previously had a thought of buying another brand but I decided to stick with the current bike for a few more years (hopefully) tongue.gif

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