Stick to your full time job, buy legitimate assets on the NYSE and Bursa Malaysia, and this is how you actually make money (although not 100% guaranteed) but usually long term will yield profits (depending on the company stocks performance)

I did the same (searched McOcean and read the comments in this forum) as well after joining McOcean.

One of the CKPs/KPs wanted me to buy the ticket to go to Global Entreprenuer Summit (GES). The ticket costs RM50.

Luckily in this forum, the ex-members explained it all in detail, then I understand what is going on. Asking CKP/KP to buy the tickets in advance and made them incur the loss from unsold tickets is a big red flag, like how tf is their responsibility? In fact the company itself should bear the losses since they are the ones who want to organize the RM33k seminar.

I save my money from being unnecessary lost from this unethical business.

This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 7 2024, 10:31 AM

Repost so that everyone can see this.

Explained it so well in detail. Straight to the point.

No hiding stuff, no need to meet up f2f just to get the answer to this unethical business.

Even some members I know have quitted quietly (the ones who are hyping about this before), and just wanna act like they have nothing to do with McOcean.

This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 7 2024, 10:36 AM

Back when I was one of the leaders (Knight Premiers Rank), we were very afraid of victims who use their phones to google about Mc Ocean. We will constantly tell our downlines to watch their prospects that was brought to the Mc Ocean Office for the 1st time, and report anyone of them who are googling about Mc Ocean, so we (the leaders) can arrange special members to "rationalize" them about online negativity.

I was so brainwashed by Mc Ocean that I believed that the negative news online about Mc Ocean is my Enemy No. 1 that will ruin my rice bowl, so I must blocked EVERYTHING they say and blindly defend Mc Ocean. This is what this cult like MLM will do to you, the longer you stay in Mc Ocean, the more brainwashed you are.

Now that I look back, how naive I had been.

Things that should raise questions back when I first saw Mc Ocean:

1) If the company is so good & helpful as they claimed, why so many people claimed they lost alot of money because of them?

2) Is it really the victims fail because are lazy, or the biz plan is doomed to fail right from the start (like a Pyramid Scheme or outdated biz model like MLM)?

3) How come only so few members left in this biz if they really make many successful entrepreneurs like they claimed?

4) If Mc Ocean really good and have nothing to hide, why need to be so secretive about their Biz Plan?

For a company like Mc Ocean, claimed to be more than 15 years in existence, but:

1) filled with negative news & victim's feedback about them online
2) asking their brainwashed members to spam 5 star Google Reviews
3) hiding away their recruitment events photos in Facebook and Instagram
4) only less than 2k followers on Instagram (if the company so good, why so few followers?)
5) resorted to spam Google Ads to cover up negative news online.

If only I have spent more time digging deeper online, I could have realized, Mc Ocean is a red flag and NOT a good company I should entrust my money to.

Please don't repeat the same mistake as I did a few years ago...

Watch out if someone suddenly ask you to attend an event in Penang on 20th July 2024! IT IS MC OCEAN, and they only have 1 intention, TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF YOU!

This post has been edited by Geek Goblin 123: Jun 12 2024, 08:14 AM

Thanks for sharing the details from A to Z. Really appreciated it. I find it easy to understand what is going on.
Just hope that more people can quit this thing to make this bs company irrelevant.

Even other famous MLMs (one from US, and one from South Korea), starts with "A" and ends with a "y" don't try to force you to buy until RM2k or even RM33k worth of items. I do remembered buying a feel items from them (cause I was one of them, just an ordinary member).

You only buy those higher priced items (water filter etc.) when you feel comfortable to do so. I remembered that my network group don't force me to buy so many items. They encouraged me to try out, which I did by buying the cheaper priced items (like toothpaste).

From my experience, the product quality range from average to decent, only that A (from the US) tends to be more expensive, and A (from Korea) tends to be cheaper.

To add on, A (from US) membership fee can be refunded if you decided to quit before the renewing period, and A (from South Korea) membership if free of charge.

This is not to promote MLM, but hey, these MLMs don't have unethical practices like that McOcean.

Note: I am no longer a member of A (from the US) haha. Only joined last time cause I wanna buy some of their products and try out for myself.

This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 12 2024, 12:08 PM

Just a general question is the toothpaste about same price as what you can buy outside? Like Colgate/Darlie etc? If price is same and quality comparable then at least it's not a rip off. If the price is higher....where is the suppose savings from normal retail that MLM shouts about?

The toothpaste I bought from A (Originated from US) MLM cost about RM22.60 (4 years ago). Now it's RM29.50 - that is if you are their member after 20% discount.

I can use it for 8-9 months cause only a little bit of toothpaste is needed, just pea sized only. Hence you can save more on toothpaste.

For Colgate/Darlie 200g, I can use for 1-2 months. The opening mouth is bigger, hence you tend to squeeze more toothpaste. You tend to save more on non-MLM toothpaste (although price is higher but you can use for longer). From my experience.

This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 13 2024, 09:11 AM

I also noticed one thing at the McOcean website.

The product price is not even displayed.

Lol so yeah we have to find out from the distributor instead. Confirm price so high till you shocked

Lets recap back some of the dirty deeds that Mc Ocean and their members did in the past and actively doing:

1) Offering fake diplomas to their member

You will hear Mc Ocean members bragging how they were offered to study and get a Diploma of Nutrition by Camden University USA. A search online will inform you that this is a UNACCREDITED/ FAKE university.

2) Fake awards winnings

Mc Ocean brags about how they were invited to Europe to receive awards from Otherw*ys. This company is known to accept payment from other companies to organize a fake award giving ceremonies. Mc Ocean paid Otherw*ys to do so to create an illusion to the public that they are a reputable company.

3) Harassing/ Threatening ex members

Ex members from Mc Ocean were harassed with fake LODs threats or Whatsapp messages from Mc Ocean HP No: 0*2- 6362343, if they tried to expose Mc Ocean's dirty deeds online.

Not to mentioned, the unethical means Mc Ocean used to find out the anonymous ex member's identity to threaten & harass.

(Fortunately, legal advisors had confirmed that their demands are baseless and instead, Mc Ocean can be subjected for legal actions instead. )

4) Holding ex member's stock as hostage

Members that paid RM 35K to Mc Ocean to become Star Premier, can keep a portion of their (about 50%) products with Mc Ocean. Meaning they only take out half the stock while the balance can withdraw at counter on later date.

This is good, until you found out Mc Ocean's scarm tactics and decided to expose them. When you do so, you will have a hard time withdrawing your stocks.

Mc Ocean blacklisted the ex-member's account and their Director pressured the individual unless he/she admit they had defamed Mc Ocean and apologized, the products will be held hostage indefinitely.

Pay RM 35K, give only RM 17.5K worth of products, the balance can resell to the next victim. Not bad huh, Mc Ocean's business strategy.

5) Fake testimonies

Desperate to salvage their reputation, Mc Ocean offered to their members they get to earn points to promote to a higher rank by collecting testimonies about how good their products are.

Normally, you can only earn points to rank up by hitting a certain sales target with $$$.

6) Buying positions in Mc Ocean

In numerous occasion, due to lack of new Prince Premier position members, Mc Ocean will organize events where members are confined in the event ballroom to be pressured to buy more products. All your money will be treated as sales of the particular Knight Premier for him/ her to rank up to become Prince Premier.

Examples of members who get this special treatment are PP B*h and the late PP Dr Azm*n.

Most of the Prince Premiers in Mc Ocean use their money/ borrow money to pump their sales to hit the Prince Premier ranks (either buy a Knight Premier direct downline or to cover the remaining sales target).

7) Fake publicity

Mc Ocean is also very proud of themselves being advertised at Nasdaq, New York City. But the fact is, they just paid Nasdaq to advertise up there.


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There are many more of their dirty deeds that Mc Ocean tried very hard to cover up. The only reason this company is still alive today is because of the MLM loop hole in Malaysia & Malaysia boleh (got $$, everything boleh... you know what I mean).

Believing that giving RM 35K to such dishonest & shady company, will make you a 5 figure income earner is definitely ill-advised.

This post has been edited by Geek Goblin 123: Jun 13 2024, 11:34 AM

1. Offering fake diplomas is so common among MLM companies, that's why these diploma mills are everywhere in the US. If you do some searching, you will find even reputable MLMs also did it. Some even set up their academic institution to offer these garbage certificates.

2. Buying awards is very common as well, especially for companies that need it to make their products look convincing and believable. You can see some companies that are less than 10 years of age but have more than 20-30 awards, and you never heard of those awards.

5. Haha, this one I know. As someone who has experience in some certain field, I seen fake testimonies all the time, either paid or forced. But the testimony of this company is laughable because I can easily spot the fakeness of these testimonies. Claim to be rich, but can't pay for some believable testimony service.

6. Well, I guess all the MLMs are the same. Buying position to get on stage, just to feel special. If you have that money to buy a position, it is better if you spend it on yourself, such as starting a real business. That way, at least it is real, it is yours. Going on stage, telling fake stories, and getting cheered is not real.

7. This is even funnier, paying a few thousand or more, just to get themselves on a NASDAQ billboard and claim to be successful. Don't be a joke, please. Even big companies in Malaysia like YTL, Berjaya, or Maybank, didn't do it on that NASDAQ billboard and claim to be successful. Successful companies are reputable, you mentioned the products or the name, people would know. Most importantly, people who work for them would proudly identify themselves as employees of these companies, unlike MLM agents who have to stay underground and scheming day and night.

This company still around? fuh kental like cock-roach

Yeah, there will always be people staying put to keep this company afloat

1) Did my research on that as well. Confirm fake university. The university doesn't have an .edu domain, and it's not recognized by any company. Don't know what's there to be proud of having this diploma mill cert.

2) Buying trophies and recognition with money? Oh please, awards are typically FOC and earned through hard work

3) I read the comments ranging from 2018 to 2020 and I was like wtf? Wah piang eh this company go so far to harass members

4) This can be considered illegal since you have the legal right to get all of your items with the RM35k you paid for. Hmm RM35k consists of what products? Mine to share here? Kinda curious to know more

5) Yup, YouTube, Google Review, their official Facebook page has been spammed with all of these positive comments. Looks very insincere

6) Basically only a small percentage of peeps in McOcean milked money out of these members. Is like the rich get richer and poor gets poorer. Buying title with money? Omg that's another level of insanity

7) Hahaha the publicity only lasted for like less than one hour? NASDAQ are filled with different advertisements, I bet that no one will rmb what McOcean is. Try asking anyone on New York City have you heard about McOcean and I bet RM1 million that no ones ever heard about it

This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 14 2024, 02:48 PM

Found this troll. This shows just how far these worms would go just fake a testimony.

1st pic is her fat tummy.
2nd pic is her holding her breath! At least try to make it real lah!

I prefer fat belly. Make Dong Po Meat.

In McOcean, you pay and pay and pay and pay.

Pay for membership, pay for overpriced and low-average quality products, pay for events, pay for star award events, pay interest if you take out the RM35k loan, etc.

How to earn money?

Oh wait, by taking out a loan and pray that 5 down line of yours take out RM35k loan and buy products under you. Even then, you still make a loss.

I remembered when one of the ex KPs was so excited that he/she even told me that I can make RM20k/month, or even RM100k/month. I pretended to get along in the conversation. I knew something was amiss but I didn’t bring it up to that ex KP.

I left McOcean the next day after the conversation. That ex KP never contacted me since.

And guess what? The KP left McOcean a month later after I left. Strange. RM100k/month not attractive to you? 🤣

Lol wtf
16 brands 36 patented products

Where is the actual patents?

This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 16 2024, 11:13 AM


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"you are not supposed to reveal Company name, company products name, and also marketing plan until you come to office."
Yup, the forum users already knew why and it is mentioned in the book


"Successful company"
If there is a syiok sendiri event in the Olympics, confirm win gold medal liao with this claim


"Similar situations."
Oh please, some companies have more legitimate positive reviews than this crap!

This company: More negative reviews than positive reviews. As for positive reviews, it’s all wayang one (it’s posted because network asked me too). Negative reviews because of contradicting , deceitful practices.



This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 16 2024, 02:58 PM

Honestly I could fact check most of the items inside that document. Lmaoo

Dear EE,

Wtf is this kind of practice? Unless someone house is on fire, or medical emergency is needed, or any legit emergency, this is like a toxic work environment in a company

Your network is really a joke


This post has been edited by supermegathrone: Jun 16 2024, 12:51 PM