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post Sep 22 2022, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Sep 21 2022, 12:03 PM)
HAHAHAHA!!! ZERO SALES KNIGHT PREMIERS also can get awarded as Top Knight Premiers? Wow how desperate Mc Ocean is now to try to recruit new victims puke.gif

RM 200 per ticket, those FAKE SMILE Knight Premiers up on stage have to folk out their savings to buy the tickets upfront. Already no money but have to buy tables upfront, if no victims or downlines going, she can use the unsold tickets as toilet paper. Pitiful losers they are indeed.

Also, the low cost venue, boring in-house events, plastic trophies, product made bouquets & cheap buffet food DEFINITELY will not cost RM 200 per pax. I wonder in the end who pockets the balance? Hmmm...  hmm.gif

Yup, such is the loser life of Mc Ocean Salesman and Saleswoman (don't care you are Gold Premier, Star Premier, Knight Premier, Prince Premier or Emperor Premier), all desperate to earn peanut income (assuming you are lucky enough to earn any) to pay the mountain of Bank Debts they accumulate because of joining this MLM.

Really best of luck to these losers if they could achieve any "success" through this dying MLM.  rclxs0.gif
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Rubbish event, waste my time and my money.

Bunch of people syiok sendiri. Stand, scream and clap hand non stop.
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post Sep 26 2022, 12:17 PM

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post Sep 26 2022, 02:50 PM

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Such a joke.

Those memes didn't even mention any company and got taken down.
Does that mean the meme is actually telling the truth about that company?

If not, then why so aggressively wanted it to be taken down?
Heard of Innuendo? Innuendo is not a crime.
I thought that company got many professionals joined, how come no lawyers thought you people what is innuendo?

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post Oct 7 2022, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 5 2022, 09:35 PM)
Thank you so much bro Geek Goblin. Just to add on, when I confronted my friend and questioned him about the fake things inside, he gave irrelevant responses. Lmao, I guess that’s what MCO taught him.

And then by joining MCO, you can improve your so-called communication skills. More like bluffing people skills and change-the-topic-whenever-it-doesn’t-suit-me skills 🤣
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They think tricking people into such a thing is "communication skill" and they won't admit they're wrong if you confronted them.

They will tell you it is necessary to "trick" you because you won't understand what they're doing.

That's what I got from a friend after a confrontation.
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post Oct 12 2022, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Oct 12 2022, 10:18 AM)
Plain and simple, Mc Ocean is afraid of the ugly truth that you had exposed about them. So they asked their dog here in Lowyat to pressure Lowyat Admin to remove those post because it is "Defamatory".

They knew that new accounts are under probation, they abuse the function where any post from accounts under probation will be removed after 1 report.

Fortunately we got other sources to retain old post, here is your old post supermegathrone:

Several red flags to look for in McOcean:

1. Overly positive vibes in events/meet ups
2. Not disclosing the right for you to get refund within 6 months of purchasing bulk items (if you don’t like it)
3. Messages filled with lots of emojis in WhatsApp Group Chat (Most likely copy paste)
4. Talk to you only about mostly about McOcean, but nothing else (unlike normal friendships)
5. Not respecting your right to your personal time (always have to attend redundant events)
6. Some CKP/KP/PP overly micromanaged their down lines just to keep their money
7. Gaslight you when you make complains to them
8. When you are no longer useful to them, you get thrown under the bus
9. CKP/KP/PP cannot accept criticism, then do no 7
10. Being promised guaranteed incomes (in any business, there is no such thing as guaranteed income)
11. RM200 Annual Dinner (Seriously why do you charge people for annual dinner? Just sponsor la since McOcean has a lot of money)
12. The awards are just for syiok sendiri only (cannot be used for job hunting)
13. Why need to be secret? Company name cannot be found in front of building
14. Members being asked to spam positive reviews on Google just to drown out the low star reviews (those that share their honest experience)
15. Too much misleading and dishonest practices
The best way to fight back? Just say no, walk away and block people (if necessary)

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Like that also kena removed?
I wonder if someone is braindead keep on reporting and removing without any clarification.
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post Oct 12 2022, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 12 2022, 07:16 PM)
Thank you Geek Goblin for "resurrecting" the post! All the above 15 items are facts.

Also to those hardcore MCO people:

You talk about ignoring negativity, then leave us alone here in the forum. Why need to report? You have already "shine" in Facebook, YouTube, Google Maps Review, your crazy WhatsApp groups filled with endless emojis. Honestly speaking, it is good to pass on your so-called "golden opportunity" and not "earn" RM5k - RM20k per month. Trust me, I rather have a real and full-time job where benefits are guaranteed, Annual Dinner is free of charge, Annual Leave, other benefits, etc. At least no need to keep paying money just to attend brainwashing events. In a real full time job, you get sponsor when you attend event (because company already paid for it).

Practice what you preach la weyh
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Haha. Next week I am gonna attend my company annual dinner. Guess what? Not a single cent I need to pay for that.

Funny that particular company can make someone become millionaire have to collect fee to organise event in cheap location that serve cheap food. Puiihh.

I used to attend other MLMs companies' events and they don't ask me to pay for events.

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post Oct 14 2022, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 14 2022, 12:17 PM)
I did not follow this thread fully.
Thus I think those joined bcos they treat it as joining a business. Earning big profits by reselling products they had bought.
Thus what are criminal in nature for the police to act?
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You can consider it as a loophole.

Let's say you reported it to the police or relevant authority.

Police and relevant authority will investigate, collect evidence and so on.

If they find out it is clearly against the law, they will charge according to the law (act) available.

If it does made it to the court and eventually trial, with enough evidence, guilty as charged and game over.

So the problem here is these people disguised themselves as MLM and direct selling and got themselves licenses under Akta Jualan Langsung dan Skim Anti-Piramid 1993.

They may get it by donating towards certain people, particularly politicians and officials. Let us be honest, thing like this is possible in Malaysia. By donating money to politicians, you can get him/her to officiate events or give speeches. It is not something new, even in the US as well.

The way they recruit you by asking you to buy products is matching the definition of jualan langsung and not skim piramid.

"Promosi sesuatu skim atau pembayaran bonus atau faedah lain adalah semata-mata atau terutamanya perekrutan atau pengenalan peserta ke dalam skim, pelan, pengendalian atau proses berantai piramid berbanding dengan jualan barang-barang, perkhidmatan atau harta tidak ketara oleh peserta." definition of Skim Piramid by KPDNHEP.

Technically they are not against the law, they play by the book. That's how they escape it. Unless an amendment to that particular AKTA is made, otherwise it is considered that they operate within the boundary.

You can argue using Penal Code 415:

415. Whoever by deceiving any person, whether or not such deception was the sole or main inducement,—

(a) fraudulently or dishonestly induces the person so deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to consent that any person shall retain any property; or

(b) intentionally induces the person so deceived to do or omit to do anything which he would not do or omit to do if he were not so deceived and which act or omission causes or is likely to cause damage or harm to any person in body, mind, reputation, or property,

is said to “cheat”.

But the thing is, in the court, evidence is of utmost importance. Without evidence, it is just hearsay and eventually, the case will be dropped.

Therefore I can say they are exploiting the loophole.

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post Oct 14 2022, 03:57 PM

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Lmao. I feel wasting writing this long.
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post Oct 15 2022, 12:31 PM

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They said rich people don't have time entertaining others but these "rich people" have the time to recruit others to join.

Key word is you are the one giving them money if you join.

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post Oct 15 2022, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 15 2022, 01:05 PM)
The fact that people would pay so much for a meaningless title and overpriced products really have me mindblown.

Buying MCO products is like paying RM50 for a cup of Milo Peng.

If anyone can become a knight premier by paying RM100k, (assuming that the member buy his/her own downline), isn’t that cheating the system?
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Guess how the founder get the datoship.
That explains everything already.

Thing is they don't care about process or ethics or fair, they care about the result - which is getting your money.

There was this KP asked me if I am the person that care about process or result, he said: "result is all that matters to me, that's the reason why I can buy a house ."

I can also afford to buy house if I trick people into miserable life, the only difference between me and him is I can't sleep soundly at night if I did that.

Also, I been following their IGs. Toxic positivity and reverse psychology together are their common tactic on IG. Show one enjoying having good life story, followed by toxic positivity story, and another one reverse psychology story. Good combination to trick youngsters that want to earn quick money.


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post Oct 17 2022, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 17 2022, 07:35 PM)
Let’s talk about McOcean Star Awards.

A crappy RM200 per pax event where you see crazy people dancing, talking about their struggles to achievement, motivational quotes, eating cheap foods, wasting 8 hours of valuable time, etc.

If are you ever invited to this event, ensure that you save that RM200 or use it on other valuable things.
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I spent that RM200 to watch bunch of people syiok themselves.

Should have spend that RM200 for steak dinner, at least I will feel happy after having it.

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post Oct 18 2022, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Oct 17 2022, 08:16 PM)
Whoever member who say the above about Mc Ocean & its products is really an idiot, so ignorant about his/ her surrounding. But what could you expect, they have given all their time and money into serving Mc Ocean 24/7, of course they don't know what is happening in the real world!

Some members even got the balls to say that Mc Ocean products are very cheap because they skip all the middle men and get straight from Manufacturer, and they will use Coca-cola as an example, claiming that Coca-cola manufacturing cost is only a few cents, but sell in store for a few ringgit. Will a competitor knows Mc Ocean's own mindbreak techniques?  yawn.gif 

Then the counter argument is this: How come Mc Ocean products are still 10 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE than equivalents selling in Pharmacies? And where is its competitiveness, because they are claimed to be effective by own members and stored in their basement/ store room before passing to a unsuspecting victim? Pharmacies products have certificates and stored in shelves and proper storage facilities BTW.

Overpriced, Low quality, Uncertified and Probably Stored In Dusty Cupboard somewhere to hide from parents.

Walk on the streets and ask a random person "have you heard of Mc Ocean?", I can say most of say either "NEVER" or "Mc Donald's I know lah". Ermmm, who is your competitor again? Assuming you have something competitive to begin with LOL hmm.gif

Joke of the century.  doh.gif
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Products' price can't stay competitive, have to recruit others to join to survive and they called this a business.

Total braindead.

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post Oct 19 2022, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Oct 19 2022, 10:47 AM)
Some MLM's motto:

WE CARE (ONLY about our own income) & WE SHARE (ALL our debts to YOU!)


True story.
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Here's the meme for the quote.

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post Oct 19 2022, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 19 2022, 07:37 PM)
I happened to read into McOcean "Diploma of Nutrition".

Can 100% tell you that is a fake diploma, which is from a diploma mill.

After some Google search, cannot find more info about it on other websites apart from McOcean.

If anyone ever applies for a nutritionist job using that fake diploma cert, all it needs is for a company to run a background check, and confirm that the job applicant inserted a fake diploma, which makes him/her less credible, and of course will never get that nutritionist job.
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It is very common tactic for MLM to use fake diploma.
Their founder has a fake doctorate as well.

Don't bother about their nutritional background, most of them don't even what they're talking about by following script. They will also ask their members to tell story on how the products "cure" their sickness.

I knew this because I used to know a guy going around telling people some MLM product cured his father's cancer. 6 months later his father still died of cancer.



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post Oct 21 2022, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 20 2022, 07:29 PM)
If McOcean products do cure cancer as claimed, wouldn’t many people be flocking to their friends to buy that?

The products just add some so called premium and magic ingredients inside, can already cure sickness is truly a joke.

I bet that other supplements sell at a much lower price and it is much more effective that MCO one.
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If you check at NPRA portal, none of its products registered under NPRA as supplements. But they still talk cock calling it as supplements.

Pharmacist told me if certain ingredients in a product is more than the KKM guideline, they will have to register under NPRA. But many of these products keep the ingredients at minimal (basically useless at that minimal) so that they don't have to register with NPRA.

MLM like Amway and USANA have their products registered under NPRA as supplements and cosmetics products.

Come on millionaire company! Why your products don't have NPRA registration?
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post Oct 25 2022, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(supermegathrone @ Oct 21 2022, 05:47 PM)
McOcean be like, why need NPRA when our doctors (registered with MMA) promote it? There are doctors so their words can be taken at face value.

Truth is, money comes first than any other thing.
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I don't think their doctors registered with MMA. Have to check them one by one.

EVen some of the top people in there they claimed are engineers from prominent companies, but when you googled it, you can't actually find their name.
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post Oct 26 2022, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Oct 25 2022, 01:43 PM)
For those doctors who paid RM 35K to Mc Ocean, they are JUST ANOTHER DESPERATE MLM SALESMAN who wants to offload those garbage to someone. When desperate to cough out RM1K/ month to pay their bank loan, these doctors will be willing to give up their medical profession to sell those garbage to their patients.

Those products won't do any harm to people who consume it, but it won't do any good either. From my experience, they are just overpriced but mediocre products with NO advantage over commercial ones selling in the Pharmacies. But what can you expect? Those garbage were NEVER meant to be sold honestly to consumer at competitive price.

THEIR MAIN GOAL IS A MEANS TO MAKE THE MLM A LEGIT RECRUITMENT SCHEME, WITH RECRUITMENT OF NEW MEMBERS AS THE REAL SOURCE OF INCOME

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Let's say a piece of that garbage cost 5% to 10% of its selling price to make at a large scale.

Take Enerfiber as an example that sells at RM255 (not sure about what's the current price, I refer to the 2017 price list).

So, if 10% of that price is RM25.5, then the profit margin is at least 40% after deducting the administration cost, "distribution commission" and so on, including donations.

Easy money for the owner. Indeed can become a millionaire in just a short time. But not the people below.


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post Oct 26 2022, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Kokky @ Oct 26 2022, 10:45 AM)
The way they sell stuff is a mess!
This is what I found in shopee:

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30 sachets = less than RM90!!!!

Do u sense desperation over there?
These people claim they are "businessmen", but when questioned about their methods, they will always avoid answering you directly.
For example, take a look at this:

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A: Why your stuff is so expensive?
"Businessman": Because it's a PREMIUM product taken directly from the supplier. Oh ya, why don't you come out and we can clear your confusion?

Hello! If the stuff is taken from the supplier, that means the items should be CHEAPER! Hello! Can you don't take us as idiots ma?

You know why it's so expensive? It's because the money is used to pay uplines of GODS KNOW HOW MANY LAYERS!
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You underestimate their confidence when comes to spinning things out of context.
The crazier thing is some of them even believe in what they said.
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post Oct 27 2022, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Oct 26 2022, 04:53 PM)
Even more laughable, they dared to even brag about their products don't need any certification because they had won some award in Rome, Italy, back in 2019.

These awards are a Paid-to-Win. Where they paid the organizer to get to attend the ball and they will be given trophies and certs. Companies, with nothing to show for, will do that to fake achievement & increase publicity.

Hmmm, why this sounds familiar? Oh right, remember how they like to also said how "successful" they were, WHEN THEY GET TO ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCTS ON NASDAQ, USA?

In both instances, they just PAY MONEY to get the recognition. But the funniest thing of all is, after more than 10 years in Malaysia, with all the tee ups and money spent, there is still no long queue outside of their office with people eager to buy ANY of their products. This is what I called as a FAILED PUBLICITY rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif 

Drama, Drama & more Drama. Nothing else but that... If you are here searching for the truth, I strongly advise you to walk away or quit from this kind of dishonest MLM.
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It is not expensive to do it though to advertise on the Nasdaq board.
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post Nov 1 2022, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kokky @ Nov 1 2022, 09:52 AM)
Today, I'll share about some of the infamous KP's in Penang who claimed to lead successful lives.

1. KP W*i Sh**ng
- Super desperate in getting new prey under his network.
- Used to drive his so-called expensive car, just to show off how "successful" he is in life.
- Unrivalled cock-talking skill.
- Will do anything, everything just to achieve his goal (pulling prey into scheme).

2. KP E* Ke*
- The infamous b*tch who has destroyed countless lives.
- Her direct network crashed a long time ago, but decided to try again, destroying even more lives in the end.
- Returned to working life at local factory after earning 20k income (kononnya).
- Old hag, but since having a long blank period in her working experience, she failed to be promoted into Senior position.
- Claimed working is for losers, but ended up working also. Irony?
- "New" batch under her also collapsed and now she is doing all she can to con the remaining innocent minds of young Penangite.
- She is exceptional in brainwashing. She could make someone hate other people just with her lowly mouth. "Don't talk to her or him! They are negative!!!!". That's her famous catchphrase.

3. CKP En* Ke**
- Claimed to be super successful, but STILL CKP? After almost 2 years, still CKP?
- Always pretended to be okay, but deep inside his heart, he is just too proud to admit he has walked the wrong path.
- Please stop thinking you are good-looking, the bangla living near you looks better than you.

4. KP (?) E* Chy*
- The infamous nurse KP in Penang.
- Pulled and destroyed countless nurses' lives by trapping them in 50K+ debt.
- Refused to tell her downline about product withdrawal so that they could not withdraw.
- Despicable heart behind beautiful face.
- Many nurses who joined under her claimed to want to earn enough to payoff their contracts, but ended up getting even more debts. Where has your heart gone?

5. KP L*ng H*n & KP W*nd, "The Engineer Couple"
- Claimed to have quit their jobs and went all-out in this scheme.
- Super narrow-minded and paranoid, thinking everyone is out there to bring them down.
- Truth is, they have too many enemies. Everyone they see become their enemies.
- Went back to working. Funny, right?
- One should really see how W*nd does his presentation. He choked on his on saliva every 3 minutes. My niece can do better that him.

6. CKP Al*x & L*i Zh*n
- The infamous couple who used dating apps to lure out potential preys.
- The guy lured out female preys and the lady conned male ones.
- When one of their stronger networks crashed, they disappeared completely.

7. KP J*n*
- Still active with her conning.
- Her sister used to join under her, but left after finding out all the bad things that came with this scheme.
- Pretended to be super positive, but backstabbed others most of the fkin time.
- Oh ya, since she promotes health products, but she herself is fat AF.

8. KP Ji*t*ng
- Most despicable b*tch of all time, losing a bit behind KP E* K*e.
- Forced her own brother into this scheme so that she could be promoted into CKP.
- Always wore sexy clothes although she was attending formal events. Seriously, if no one knew her, one might think that she was a whore.
- In the end, moved to KL with another famous CKP, who is also notorious for his scamming.
- Very very good at dodging questions and acting noob. This is a good example of her hiding her own lack of knowledge. Ask her a simple thing like commission distribution and you can clearly see that she knows nothing (except scamming, of course.)

9. KP (?) H*i Sh*n
- A dumped-down version of J*t*ng.
- Kept asking, and successfully, pulled countless young architects into joining this scheme.
- Refused to let one of her downline to withdraw. Maybe she did it so that she could keep her meaningless rank?
- By the way, stop claiming yourself as an architect. You are a shame to all architects in the world, please.
- Also pulled her own sister to join, as if she alone was not enough. Her sister was jobless back then.

10. KP Z*ck
- A spoilt kid who thought he was a successful businessman. No, kid. You're just a conman.
- Has a bunch of other kids under him. They usually gather around, wearing suits to make themselves look like super successful, but the truth is, they have nothing.
- Very good at pulling young, innocent girls into his network.
- Just another snobbish child.
- Had the audacity to claim that he wants to expand his business to oversea countries. Wonder how his so-called expansion is now. Must be super successful already.

11. Ass-P Ky*n L*m
- A conman working at Intel Penang who, as he claimed various times, has a Master's certificate.
- Specifically uses dating apps to look for victims even though he already has a girlfriend back at KL.
- Refuses to refund his downlines who have withdrawn.
- Got married recently at KL and STILL REFUSED TO REFUND HIS SP!
- Eh, come on lah! How can you live like this? No shame?

Ladies and gentlemen, as you can see, so-called successful entrepreneurs of Penang are just lies. Real entrepreneurs don't tell others how much money or what cars they drive, they simple do their businesses and earn their money in silence.

Sad to say, up until now, countless youngsters fell victims to the sugar-coated promises from irresponsible people like the ones I listed above.

They "utilized", as they would prefer to say, every means possible to "prospect". These means include official job-hunting platform like LinkedIn and dating apps.

Youngsters of Penang, wake the heck up!
Nothing comes easily and those that do, they usually have a great price to pay.
I know many youngsters want to get rich quick, but there really is no other than to work hard and learn to invest properly.
MLM is jut now the answer.

*bonus point: They always claim they don't read this forum. Let's not kid ourselves ok? You read it smile.gif Swallow that fact and ego. Stop destroying people's lives.
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Shit. I encountered no.8.
She is really good at reverse psycho. But I am lucky because I have seen things enough to be immune to reverse psycho.



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