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post Oct 24 2018, 05:12 PM

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Hi @LeluY,

I hope with your retailing efforts, you look into the quality and the effects of the products you are selling. I know that Mcocean members tend to exaggerate the benefits of the products, such as marketing these products to people with serious illness such as diabetics, etc.

I know that it is irresponsible to market these products as ‘cure-alls’, because people would do anything to sell their product. Enerfiber has been shown be to bad for some diabetics, even worsening their conditions.

And as you do not truly own the business, you have no say in the product marketing or production. You can’t change the ingredients or the price. Please be socially responsible when selling things — don’t misled people into buying something that has questionable health claims.

Other than that, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are suceeding in your retailing business. Good for you. But you claim that you read this thread all the time, so we will welcome you with open arms if one day you decide to switch sides.

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post Oct 25 2018, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(BrosAndHoes @ Oct 25 2018, 06:46 PM)
If you are so out for justice since the amount have incredibly impacted your life, why don't you and your gang join up and do a press conference like the lady below :

https://youtu.be/LsAriYs3dOs

Just for your information, my dear forumer, my family was drowned in debt of excess 273k during the world economy crisis in 2007, but we dug our heels in and work hard to get it all back. Today, we are proud of what we have earned back and more. So to some of you, esp those "EX KP & EX CKP", just remember 35k can be settled, don't need to be all wallowing in self pity. Poor souls.

Amwxy or whatever other MLM are the same shπt, out there to hoodwink you from cash. I never believed in such a biz, it takes just simple logic and emotional control to understand that there can never ever be easy money. But alas, obviously there exists so many greedy people here hence here we are today. "Englightened"

Or let's consider a diff perspective, (since I always do biggrin.gif )maybe you should ask yourself, if the MLM model truly is a scam, why isn't the infamous 1959 Amwxy still on going? Prolly even your mum is using their "top graded, highest selling" Nut¥ilite LOOL.
Even I have no answer for this, while maybe some ever vigilant MLM anti-Mxoxean awareness agents will tell u how these old standing stong MLM companies have gone through investigations and such. FACT IS THEY ARE STILL AROUND, too bad huh?

For newcomers and about to be "scammed SP", take a look at the community here. Once they reach an impasse with whoever is in disagreement with them, cleverly disguised sarcasm and not so concealed hostility are thrown at them. Not much difference with the scammers with their rhetorics and ever lasting "advice".

Standard Modus operandi of MxOcxan (based on what's mentioned here) :
1. Collect info
2. Bring event
3. Brainwashing begins jeng jeng jeng
4. Bring seminar to show 35k
5. Greed takes over and join, surprise surpriseee

Standard Modus operandi of EX MxOcxan (in forum of course):
1. Start thread with their own "experience"
2. Mention about above Modus operandi of MxOcxean
3. Whoever disagree is either : supporter of the MLM company, someone who diverts the topic, "outsider with his own drama" (but little do we know Mr World Weary is the most drama one here of all LOL HILARIOUS)

Hence ladius and gentlemen, take your pick. Seems to me both are the same zombies, just diff tactics where they attempt to clear the air just so they have awareness already. Bravo
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Good for you. Earning back your debt, but not through MLM.

Anyways, to answer your question about Amway (“Scamway”), Mary Kay, NuSkin, Young Living, etc still being around if it’s a scam — way back in 1979 when the MLM industry didn’t have proper guidelines, Amway got sued for unethical business practices, but ultimately won the case — in which it was determined that the difference between a ponzi/pyramid scheme with direct marketing is that if products are sold, it is legal. Of course, that ruling set the precedence for all MLMs after that, in which the guidelines are constantly abused by current MLM companies. There is a gray area when it comes to prosecuting MLM companies (plus they employ tons of lawyers to protect their business).

Also, another food for thought. Smoking is bad for your health, causes death, and affects the environment and people around you — but it is still legal in most countries in the world.

Like I said, legal =/= ethical.

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post Oct 25 2018, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(BrosAndHoes @ Oct 25 2018, 08:24 PM)
Thank you for your supportive words and clarification.
I think amongst all the posters here, you are the most cool headed and well spoken, unlike so much more whom everyone can read from their posts. Kudos and respect to you for streamlining your thoughts in a direct factual manner.

So let me get this straight, Devilwearsprada, as much as I feel the MLM model is a scam, are you saying that with regulations and such it is legal but unethical? And the governments around the world would just let their citizens suffer?
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Amway and related MLM companies lobby to governments and even NGO organizations, getting celebrities to endorse their products, and even donating money to charities to get on the good side of the public and the law. If you have money, you can get away with anything.

Same goes for tobacco companies. They fund events (sometimes even sports events!), do aggressive marketing and branding, in which they portray cigarettes as ‘cool’ and ‘in’. There is a growing awareness by the public towards tobacco lately, but you can’t say that just because people have been smoking for centuries, that it is still acceptable in the modern world. Social justice is a valid thing right now.
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post Oct 26 2018, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(luzdeexpo @ Oct 26 2018, 09:44 AM)
  They really were thinking this was a viable platform,
    but when they come in and realise it was the opposite
      and they need to get their family/ friends to join....
        they rather not do the business.

  Some people have a conscience and know when to walk away.

Think about it, if you really want to help someone,
Do you want them to put down 35k of their hard earned money,
so that you can earn ?
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Yup, agree.
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post Oct 29 2018, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Neutralite @ Oct 29 2018, 03:29 PM)
Yes what I said can apply this way. But to be fair, I disagree your statement that all mcocean members resort to dishonest practices to convince people to join the business. Its like i said, maybe your ex-upline did something personal that u dont like, maybe what he or she did is not even the mcocean standard practice.

I believe is things didnt work out for your upline & you that why now you 2 become ex. Then now you lilke blame the whole mcocean. It is actually quite unfair to the people who is full time and rely on this business to survive. Some partners rely on this source of income to take care of family. I see some KP really put a lot effort and support their team so well. that KP confirm have earn more than 20000 above a month. she so deserve to earn so much.
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There might be some personal bias involved, but it doesn’t detract from the very unbiased fact that Mcocean’s business strategy is unsustainable and unethical. That it relies on exploiting people to exploit their friends and family members of RM34k.

Yes you guys may be well intentioned, and this is your ‘rice bowl’ so to speak. But isn’t that pretty selfish? Because you rely on it for your income, you are blind to the flaws in the company? So for example, if we are pressuring a corrupt company or say, a tobacco company or an illegal forest logging company to shut down and hence putting hundreds of people out of work — so will you still complain that we are just being ‘sour grapes’ and that those people don’t deserve to be put out of work? Sure it’s not the workers’ fault but the company has to be stopped, because the top people are the ones who started this corrupt biz in the first place. There are things bigger than just your rice bowl, honey.

And its not even just about the dishonest business strategy and ripping off rm34k from your friends — extensive studies have shown that MLMs aren’t profitable at all, in fact it is a money-sucking machine. Even worse, it’s deliberately disguised to look like a quick way to get money, effectively deceiving you from the start and will keep on deceiving you until you finally stop playing their game. And while you’re at it, you ruin your relationships with the very family you wanted to provide for.

But then again, we are just giving warning to those who have a conscience and would rather not be involved in a dishonest industry like this. If you believe that what you are doing isn’t wrong, then go ahead, go do you. No one can change your mind unless you choose to.


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post Oct 29 2018, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Neutralite @ Oct 29 2018, 04:06 PM)
Hi @Christ 2000

Dont know i allowed to put link here onot.
But this link have the proper information. It is the official mcocean webpage.

https://www.mcocean.com/en/policy10.jsp
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“It is the sole responsibility of ALL related uplines to immediately refund the sales bonus (if any) to the terminating Distributor. This is not the responsibility of the Company.”

Haha, what a way to wash their hands off the 60% refund amount.

FYI, Mcocean will only refund you 40% of the total ‘capital’. The other 60% has gone to your uplines as their commission, good luck chasing them to pay you back immediately. It would probably take a few months for them to pay you back in full.
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post Oct 29 2018, 04:35 PM

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I’d like to plug again the ever entertaining and informative reddit ANTIMLM page for your reading pleasure.

Lots of great insight into the terrible practices of MLM industry as a whole.
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post Nov 18 2018, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Nov 17 2018, 11:16 PM)
Who is the PP?
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Join a new MLM...... they never learn, do they? What makes them think a new MLM will solve their money problems? All MLMs are the same — which are legalized scams.

I saw Pr*k*sh posting a warning on his FB about this. So funny, not only do they have resistence from the antis (us), now they have ex-partners jumping the Mcocean sinking ship and trying to recruit their members into a new MLM. No wonder they’re threatened and desperate.
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post Nov 18 2018, 11:25 AM

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Haha, last year PP S*t*sh posted a long-ass whatsapp text warning members that they will be terminated if they are caught dating each other. So hypocritical.

Those ex-Mco members jumping ship to another MLM, it’s just going to be the same thing as Mco, unless they’re extremely lucky enough to get onboard at ground level. Then again, the mentality of the people persisting in MLMs is like a lottery player — you know, “the next ticket will be my winning ticket! I just need to spend more! Do more! Pray more!!! Believe in the law of attraction!!”

By the way, the Law of Attraction and Robert Kiyosaki are frauds too. Robert Kiyosaki has failed in all of his real life businesses, and is only making money suckering all these ‘entrepreneurs’ with his inspirational talks.

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post Feb 3 2019, 10:26 PM

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Saw that some CKPs finally gave up on being fulltimers and are back to work again. Good for them. One is a pharmacist, the other is a doctor so it’s such a waste for them to throw away their profession for a scam company. Most of the people I know two years ago have given up on Mc Ocean, but there are still some left (probably stubborn with high ego). We’ll see how long they last, I give them one more year. I’m guessing they want to clear the DND in June first lol.
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post May 21 2019, 10:50 PM

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Wooooow shit is going down! So this is how it starts, inhibiting freedom of speech and making ‘legal’ threats online. You already know from this behavior that Mcocean is in deep shit and they’ve gone into damage control.

Keep up the drama! /popcorn
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post May 26 2019, 09:15 AM

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Has McOcean official clarified in their statement on why they’ve been blacklisted on Bank Negara’s watchlist?

Or the reason why they changed from Steady Dynasty to SD Group to MIDEA group?

Although it’s funny that they straight up admitted that the criticism pointed out in this forum are valid, that some of the people representing them are corrupt and they will work on improving their company and services. Thanks for proving us right 😂

The next time a KP/PP wants to blame the ex-members for their negativity, I can always point out that their own company has issued a statement admitting that our complaints are valid and they should work on improving themselves instead of blaming us 😂
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post May 27 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Dell1039 @ May 27 2019, 11:27 AM)
I have been extremely confused with who to trust especially after the raid a few weeks ago.

My KP and partners at first told me that it was all orchestrated by a certain Ex-Prince and Ex-McOcean members because they wanted to take revenge on the company for terminating them.

I guess that made sense. Until another KP told me that the raid is actually normal. It will be done every 3-5 years once by KPDNHEP (Previously known as KPDNKK) for regulatory purpose. I lagilah pening after this  rclxub.gif

So to end this once and for all, I took half-day today and went to KPDNHEP headquarters in Putrajaya to ask them straight (my 35K is in the line, man!). I was shocked by what they told me.

After what they told me, I know for a fact that MC OCEAN IS A SINKING SHIP and it's just a matter of time for its fate to be the same as Titanic. Thank god I am less than 6 months in Mc Ocean. I'm taking the 35K and getting the hell out of here. You should do the same!

If you are less than 6 months, GET BACK YOU MONEY NOW!
If you are more than 6 months and resigned, FOR GOD'S SAKE START GETTING A JOB.
If you still think you can save this ship from sinking, I will say a prayer for your soul.
Anyway, here's the number of the person that I spoke to in KPDNHEP if you want to do your own research.
0388826391 / 03-8882 5899


Just tell him the purpose of your call. To check/to complaint/make a report.

I hope this helps.
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May I ask, what exactly did the officer say about the state of Mcocean right now? If you don’t mind explaining further.

Dwindling sales? Corruption case? License being pulled soon? If we want to convince the new members to pull out, they need to know the exact reason. If not, the PP/KP/CKPs can still goreng their excuses. Thanks for your initiative.
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post May 27 2019, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Dell1039 @ May 27 2019, 04:03 PM)
Alamak.. tak boleh dapat ke?

Then try these number then.

03 8000 8000 (main line) and 03-88826537 (Bahagian Penguatkuasa)

They told me many things but here is a brief summary:

1) McOcean license is memang approved BUT the marketing plan is under scrutiny now since it is not as what KPNHEP approved.

2) I asked whether it was a "routine tahunan" and he laughed at this. He said mana ade routine tahunan buat kat malam encik. This is a SERBU! RAID!

3) There is a certain individual (of power) in the company that is being investigated for money laundering especially with a purchase of a certain property in Penang.
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Thank you for your reply!

I’m guessing the marketing plan that’s under scrutiny involves ‘rank buying’ (beli pangkat) as it is not complying to the Direct Selling Act. Rank buying is when the member pays money to achieve a certain rank in the company, and not through normal ways such as retailing. Also don’t forget Mcocean’s distributor arm connections to Steady Dynasty/SD Group/Midea which have been blacklisted on Bank Negara’s watchlist.





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post May 27 2019, 09:59 PM

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Guys screenshot Dell1039’s post because it might get taken down.

My earlier post mentioning the raid and a certain person of power got deleted, even though I don’t believe I was breaking any rules. It was more about asking the members to jump a sinking ship known as Mcocean.

So I won’t be surprised if that happens again. You know how it is, silence the truth when you can’t lie anymore.

I’ll just repeat this again - “Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons.”
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post May 28 2019, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Neutralite @ May 28 2019, 01:34 PM)
I am somewhat happy for you guys seeing how happy and excited you guys can get from bash-talking in this thread and making comedic predictions of where mcocean is heading (Even I laugh at some of the offensive remarks). But nah, in the end the business core is still sales of products so its not gonna sink or crash or burn into ash like what the ex-kp only ever dream of.

Basically here's how it usually goes in this thread:
1) Mcocean makes a donation - OHHH obviously they did it to get on the government good side
2) Mcocean doesnt make a donation - OMGG If mcocean is doing well like they claimed, why we dont see them making donations to charity ?

1) Mcocean partner treats you a meal - OHHH they just wanna get on your good side.
2) Mcocean partner doesnt treat you a meal - OMGG they claim they make so much money buy cant even afford to buy dinner.

1) KP owns luxury - OHHH thank you guys feed his/her rice bowl they become rich and enjoy life la
(Irony is, whatever sales you close they only make like 400-600 whereas you make 4000-6000, who is benefiting more from it ? Lol this part you wont hear from the geeks gang here)
2) KP doesnt own luxury - OMGG claims to earn 20k and above but where is the BMW ? where is the rolex ?
(Next time try asking, how many places has this KP taken his/her family on vacation to, how many additional side businesses does this KP own)

Ultimately, there just exists some people which will always seek for more problems from a solution. Its like saying WEW this girl is so pretty, I guess she must be very arrogant.
But then again, partially its thanks to you guys here that mcocean is just going to become even stronger than before. Yes we are pretty active in this thread cause we do care and are constantly seeking room for improvement. Every one of your feedback is actually being constructively taken into consideration all so that we could improvise on a greater experience in our business community.
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Eh? So now McOcean white-knighters are going down the “we are taking your criticism seriously and will work to improve ourselves” pity route? Wasn’t it just a while ago you guys were calling us negative-ninnys and that everyone complaining about Mcocean on this forum are just lazy whiny ungrateful people? 😂

Anyways, can we get back to the discussion about Mcocean’s shady marketing plan?





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post May 29 2019, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Dell1039 @ May 29 2019, 10:21 AM)
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Ehhhhh, this looks VERY VERY familiar. Doesn't it?  cool2.gif
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Yup this looks like “rank-buying”.
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post May 29 2019, 03:00 PM

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Come on la.... the marketing plan clearly shows that there is a DP rank (diamond premier) which is a level below SP rank (star premier) but most of the time at HOW presentations they will terang2 say that you can “fast-track” to SP rank by “investing” in a RM35,000 “capital”. Essentially, skipping the DP rank.

How is that not rank buying?

The real way to achieve SP rank is by getting 5 other DPs (and must get 5 GPs to become DP) — as clearly shown in the attached marketing plan above — and to sell products to these 5 DPs. But in most cases, new members in Mcocean are forced to BUY products (called inventory front-loading) for them to skip the DP rank and go to SP rank. So it’s not the proper way.

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post Jun 8 2019, 11:08 AM

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It’s clearly obvious Meconfuse is bothered enough to come into this forum and click the reply button, go through the trouble to hyperlink two fake-inspirational image quotes indicating they are “not bothered!!!!” , and click send.

It’s the typical Mcocean behaviour you see on FB and IG, like posting emo quotes like “Sometimes the best answer is to be silent” or “Be successful in silence” — eh hello, if you really want to be doing things silently you won’t have to post that fake-cryptic message on public social media la. You’d actually embody that message through your actions — by not posting anything at all.

All these are attention-seeking cries only, pretending they don’t care but actually they do.

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post Jun 8 2019, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(HazPlay @ Jun 8 2019, 12:11 PM)
How long does it ussually take for kpdnhep to revoke their license after the raid? and will this be able to close down mcocean if they manage to revoke this?
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It depends on the investigation from the raid. If license is revoked, in practice Mcocean should stop operating but then again they’re slick, even with their distributor arm being blacklisted on BNM for years they still find ways to find a loophole. We just have to be more vigilant to ensure they don’t get away with all these legal loopholes.

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