so, what are the process of self termination? and after that.
anyone can explain?

This is what Mc-Ocean likes to do to the members, psycho the members into mindless zombies, follow buta- buta what the PPs and KPs tell them to do without rationalizing what's right and wrong. 

Mc-Ocean keep lying to the members and caused all to get drowned in heavy debts, yet the members are still willing to "share" their "success stories" to fight us who are trying to expose their dirty tricks... ...

Wow honestly members of Mc-Ocean Holding Sdn Bhd, what do you guys owe to Mc-Ocean that you will be mindlessly throwing your bodies to protect it???     


WAKE UP!!!

I wonder if there are SP read the forum and still decide to stay in this scam scheme...
(exclude those born-to-be scammer species)

During the HOW event tomorrow and others follows the same agenda:

1) Breakfast "Millionaire Mindset"

If you did not attend "Fire your Boss" event or their other brainwashing outdoor activities (VR, Sports, Escape Room etc), you are expected that your CKP/ KP will give you an elaboration on what you will be expecting in MNU.

They will imply to you a "short cut" to become a "Millionaire". Becoming a Stockist, i.e: dumped in RM 33,000.00 to buy a whole bunch of products to be stored in your own store room.

The purpose of this session is to brainwash you to think that RM 33,000.00 is no big deal and worth it to invest because you are 1 step closer to become KP (SP => KP).
2) Morning Sharing Session 

All members will gather to a corner of the hotel with all the newcomers being pushed to the front to be psycho by the CKPs and KPs standing on the chair or staircase "sharing" their MNU experience.

Also another tactic to make a victim comfortable to give away RM 33,000 to Mc-Ocean, because got so many "millionaires" were created in this platform. Of course, this is all just a drama, all the KPs and CKPs are just acting rich in front of you with their formal wears.
3) 1st HOW session

After you get psycho by (2), you are asked to go up on stage to dance with the so-called "Millionaires". Your introducer and uplines will keep pushing you to go up.

Dancing or working out releases endorphin & andrenaline that makes you FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF. So after a "nice" exercise, the victims are all in good mood and can easily accepts any kind of proposals.

With all the hormones coursing through the victims, victims skepticism and self defense skills are impaired.

Everything is easy to get through to you, even asking you to invest RM 33,000.00 seems like nothing.

1st Speaker will try to CON-vince you that MLM is the business of the 21st century and why you should do MLM today.

Obviously this is total BS! Whoever who says this must be living under a rock for too long. But to someone who had been brainwashed and self defense mechanisms got crippled, its easy to get deceived.
4) Lunch

Just the usual Hotel Buffets. Your Introducers and Uplines will be "super nice" to you. Book tables for you, serve you and keep asking if there is anything you need.

Motive? Win your trust.
5) Afternoon Sharing Session

Another round of brainwashing by CKPs and KPs. Now with a full stomach, they can get through the victims easily.
6) 2nd HOW session 

Another round of dancing on stage.

This is the part where they will reveal the SP Plan. In summary,

Instead of just RM 2k + , you dumped in RM 35k (RM 2k + 33k) to jump from a GP to SP.

Then some sad, tragic story by the PP or KP on stage you make you emotional. Motive is to make you feel like Mc-Ocean is your only way to get out of your current situation.
7) Evening Sharing Session: 

Now pumped with hormones, full stomach after tea break and a few hours or brainwashing, the KPs and CKPs will now "share" on how they have NO REGRETS taking a RM 35,000 bank loan to start this business.

They will CON-vince more so you feel "its OK, take RM 33,000 bank loan is fine, I can pay it back in 6 months, no problem..."

[If you believe that, then you are really F**ked.]
8) Y33 session - The BIGGEST LIE of HOW event starts here! 

Last session of HOW that is the MAIN COURSE of the event.

KPs assigned to the victims are arranged specifically to target the victims. If victim is a doctor, they will arrange a doctor KP to do this session to you.

A few victims will sit around 1 KP, with your Introducer standing behind you keep shouting "CORRECT, BETUL, DUI!"

This part they will draw out scenarios on how you can pay off the RM 33,000 in 6 months time. In fact they will assume that every month you only recruit 1 person, but you still can make back the money.

Sounds simple and doable right? WRONG.

In reality, they hidden alot of facts from the victims:

1. Maintenance - Whenever your direct downlines has downline, that income is not automatically given to you. You need to pay a maintenance fee of around RM 1800 first only can you earn the Generation Bonus.

During the breakdown, they will not tell you this. Until you are in the business for a few months and really happened, only your KPs "revealed" that they "forgot" to tell you!

How convenient, right?

2. Direct Income OR Generation Bonus, NOT BOTH!

When you have a direct SP & a few generations, your income that month is automatically the HIGHEST ONE ONLY. The other is canceled out!

During the Y33 breakdown the KP be like "Oh Wow! Look you earn 10k, 20k , 30k JUST AS A SP." NOTHING BUT LIES!!!!

Maybe if you recruited 2 OR MORE DIRECTS IN THE SAME MONTH then it is possible. That's the only way.

3. SP Generation Bonus only last up to 5 Generations

In the ABP and HOW presentation they will say you will earn up to 10 gen of SPGB. WRONG!

YOU CAN EARN UP TO 10 GEN OF SPGB... IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 5 DIRECT SP. LESS THAN THAT, YOU ONLY EARN UP TO 5 GEN.

Can you see a pattern here? Everything is CONDITIONAL but not disclosed to you until it happened? That's Mc-Ocean style.
9) Dinner Session 

Yay! Finally HOW is over at 7pm, victims are all tired and eager to go home, will the KPs let you? OF COURSE NOT!

KPs, Intoducers will take all the victims for dinner nearby to further find out if victims had been 100% brainwashed or not.

When they see you are COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED into their mindless zombies, they will only let you go home and ask you to meet them tomorrow morning somewhere to go apply Bank Loan..


10) What Happens On Monday? THE DAY TO CON YOU RM35,000.00! 

Remember the leave your KP asked you to take on Monday? Oh yes, not for you to rest and rejuvenate. Sorry.

They will:

1. Get your CCRIS (either through CTOS or BNM).
2. Get their bankers to advise what to do.
3. Get bankers to "adjust" your CCRIS score to increase your chance to get the RM 35,000.00 approved (Extra RM 2k is to pay banker for his "magic")
4. Ceate a RM 33,000.00 Bank Draft.
5. Fly straight to Mc-Ocean Office.
6. Used up ALL your RM 33,000.00 to buy products
7. Packed them all into your car.
8. Send you for Training.
9. Test your Water Filter (The KPs will CON-vince you to buy this no matter what) and set a date to install it to your home.

[WARNING: ONCE THE WATER FILTER IS INSTALLED. YOU CANNOT GET BACK A REFUND SHOULD YOU DECIDED TO QUIT THIS BUSINESS. THE BUY BACK POLICY ONLY COVERS ITEMS THAT THE PACKAGE IS NOT OPENED. SO ONCE INSTALLED, YOU ALREADY LOST RM 5000.]

When this all over, is another late night already. You did not get enough rest AND YOU JUST BOUGHT A CAR LOAD OF PRODUCTS TO MOVED INTO YOUR HOME. At the same time, both your Introducer and your KP will be smiling, because they are expecting to earn their Sales Commission for conning your RM 35,000.00.

On 15th of the following month,

Your Introducer: Earn RM 4k
Your Upline KP: Earn RM 1k+

THIS COMES FROM YOUR RM 35,000.00, FYI.
Please warn your friends and relatives attending this event!

Beware, Malaysians.

Wow your comment really hit me. After I quit this biz, totally my chains were off and RELIEF! But honestly speaking, when i joined MCO that time i really seen this biz was legit. However after some time, things got fishy when everything you need to bear for yourself, keep forking out $$ and the SPGB/maintenance thingy. I admitted i was being brainwashed by them as i faced my lowest at my job back in Jan 2017. Anyhow debt is a debt and i learned this expensive lesson in my life.

And i never blame my introducer. (she already being removed from whatsapps group btw) We still contacted with each other. We both even target to be CKP that time. So silly    Prince S****h as well being removed form the grp. Idk/Wonder what had happened. Soon will be me I guess. Even many SP's/KP's had left/being removed as well.

Yes, Mco keep bombarded that they are the only solution in life during training.  I wasted a lot of time being those meaningless trainings and events. Negativity within me and in this forum huh? Well to those went to the marketing plan, you judge for yourself. For sure during MNU/HOW the speaker will say you see a lot negativity right? Forum where can trust one? After event end, KP will asked you, how you will get the 35k? Please counter back with your own sense.

Pp M*r*li membership wad terminated because of misconducts, he has breached the operational policy & pricedures. His misconducts also go against the laws.

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To join as a Distributor of McOcean,  member fee is ONLY Rm130.

In All MLM direct selling companies, a Distributor buys products to accumulate points , the accumulated points will then used to move up rank under the marketing plan.
Ther is NO time limit to accumulate the PV points for moving rank...
Distributor can buy 1 piece product, or one dozen products to sell to customers.
All depending on how frequent he can sell products, on how feasible n how reasonable he can sell off the quantities of products he can within a reasonable period of times.
Willing buyer willing sellers......No string attached....

 
Come on baby (yangbenar) .. How can u ask so STUPID question ?  
Real estate is SELLING house to PPL , and ur so-called 3rd level commission system is called sales incentive for leader..
Money (commission) is from buyer who buy the house to stay, not like MC-OCEAN buta buta give nonsence rm35k ..
Do not pusing n pusing give such stupid statement, ppl will laugh at u ..
 

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Can be seen from many outside business companies, practising Customer Loyalty program. Member get member promotion benefits.
Say, a pharmacy shop/company. You are their member, loyalty program.
You introduce a friend to be their member, so they buy products from this pharmacy.
Because of your effort introducing this new member to buy products, pharmacy give you rewards points.
These rewards points you have collected, Can be redeem n covert to value (Rm) voucher for you to buy products from this pharmacy.
Like wise, your new friend also introduce another new friend, also introduce 3rd New friend into this pharmacy, up to 3 levels.
Now, the 3rd New friend buys products at the pharmacy.
You , as the upline of this 3rd New level friend, are rewarded with points from the pharmacy. And you use the points redeem value voucher to buy products. By redeeming the rewards points, you are deemed to have earned an indirect benefits from the sales of products NOT done by you. But by your group of members, up to 3 levels.
Logically, this type of member get member reward program, up yo 3 levels, is also multi level marketing MLM ???
Then, the pharmacy must also apply AJL from kpdnkk ???
Then, you as a customer of the pharmacy , also subject to AJLSAP1993 laws ???
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Automotive inventor discovered using petrol fuel/gosaline to power motor vehicles.
But petrol fuel also can cause disaster burning & explosion.
But petrol fuel is innocent, The culprits to these disasters are the the ignorant individuals petrol users/ careless petrol users, or even greedy individuals,
who are the one causing the disasters.....
So, need to ban the usage of petrol fuel because it causes disaster ???
Or, educate the users with CORRECT knowledge when using petrol fuel ???
瓦斯本无害，无知 疏忽使用者 造成灾难。

The MLM methodology of marketing is innocent.
The ignorant individual, the greedy individual who want to get quick money(easy rewards/money) fast and the crook-minded people, are the one causing and polluting the direct-selling industry....
It takes two-hands to clap....

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I don't want to elaborate much about mlm industry...Since those mlm empower “own business”, “ur dream” mindset to attract water fish join...

What we need to highlight is the scamming tactic of Mcocean,the company proudly found by Mr.p

1. Dishonest recruiting technique
~the fake interview

2. Hidden cost
~maintenance etc

3. Super immoral training
~make u install water filter or open product package

And so on,I need to repeat n emphasize again,the founder Mr.p is a Malaysian. A real businessman care about honest and repeating business do not scam the customers for own advantage. So,u are telling me Mr.p dunno or cannot control his salesman scamming so many Malaysian? Or,he happily scamming around with the support of gomen? (Since he quickly donate money to PH after 509)

Mcocean - the best conman school (let me correct your company vision)

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Membership fee to join as a Distributor is ONLY RM130...!!!
Distributor can reject whatever UNFAIR purchases of other things imposed by unethical up lines , n report to the management direct...

Ohh I agree with you. @Geek Goblin 123 thanks for kind feedback. Actually I think my upline share a lot with me before i join. I asked a lot of questions and they got answer and I can feel they are sincere when answer and few months alr in this business they really give me the team support I need la. I still learning more on the business so that I can help them back next time. Coz i really never see people will give so much support, thats why i feel this business very different. Maybe lately I also brainwash by them to want to help others alr haha.

I think so far I only dont like when they pressure people take loan. My introducer offer me to take loan also because I dont have enough money to start that time but really wanted to try do a small business they said dont need monthly maintenance just need capital to start.
My downline also took the loan and also feeling pressure now. But I tell her to think as motivation and learn to sell products, already take loan so just do and take it as a learning. At lease im glad now we oways planning how to sell and market products to strangers who interestrd since can earn back some money. We havent give up yet la because our kp still helping us so much. If they really faking it I think I just let them continue fake and give me support i need for now haha. Hope they wont ask me take huge huge loan one day. I also wont simply take it to put my own business in danger.

But really thanks you, i can know more a
bout mcocean now and will question the upper people first to hear what they say first.. Really wish to find out the truth

I think i join because i see the people i here are very positive and focus on goals. I speak before to a famous KP lawyer (read lowyat, cant mention names haha) also he very nice and willing to share so much to everyone in mcocean. Also I met an elderly man who alr retired from work but still join mcocean to do part time. I actually convinced by the goodness of people here la. Or maybe so far I only met all good people. That's why when i read everything here in this forum everything so different from my experience. But i can see now a lot of things changing. My kp advise to add many new information into sharing. I seriously hope they changing for better ... haihh 

Thank god i stumbled upon this... My friend actually asked me to join for their 'seminar'... and trying his best to persuade me to do this in order to have a better life... Best part is when I  argued with him saying this is a scam, he said he'll bring me meet his upper.. Blergh... MLM