1. Avenue Three Advertising

Mutiara Oriental Condo, Taman Bukit Mayang Mas, Petaling Jaya, Selangor.

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Especially for Art Director, reason:
• Only after you join, only share with you Avenue Three, Three means herself, her sister and brother.
(A very very family type of business.)
• Only after you join, try to reduce the offer after the 1st week. (said: because client reject your visual)
• Only after you join, let you know 2 designer will only assist you after you confirm in 3 months or more.

and a lot more....



Info from 1 of the lowyat member
2. Faster Advertising

Sunwaymas Commercial Centre, 11A-1, Jalan PJU 1/3F, Petaling Jaya

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Another family business company, (Mother, Son and Wife)
• Son set the project deadline on next week, but wife casing you tomorrow, said client waiting.
Clarified with son ?? You can't find him till you finish the job for his wife.

• Handle a project from Son, and Son can make a small changes like from Helvetica font change to Arial.(HAHAHA)
But when client rejected, Mother only asking you "Why you don't hav any experience" (HAHAHAHA)

• On servicing side, most of the servicing are same, when you asking very unclear brief "What is this? How?
Where?" And they will answer always "Nvm, juz pass to me 1st, Im sure client will ask to revise again, let see
what they say"....(Oh, Kill Me !!!)

and a lot more...whoever need more detail on this company, i will pass you the member's PM, said he is willing to share more detail...thx

This post has been edited by davidchong11: Sep 13 2012, 11:15 AM

Hmmm, if said like this, there r plenty companies like this.
Promises this & that, but end up nothing.

But ppl (employer or employeee) also mau cari makan. This is the fact non only for design fields, but other business fields also like this.

Let give u an example:

Boss A hire Miss B (experinces & straight forward girl) for account for RM 2.6K. Miss B got it own system how to handle account & billing. But Boss A like this & that, take money in & out without follow the system, & the money for the used of it ownself. This make the Miss B hard to track the account. So Miss B request Boss A to follow the system or hire a assistance to help her. But Boss A refused, & scold her for her in-ability to handle the account & billing system.

Miss B resign, so Boss A hire other accountant.....those ppl either can't handle it well or cannot tahan scold from the boss. Many of them resign after 1 or 2 month working. At the end Boss A hired 2 accountants + 1 assitants for account & billing.

Wat i wat to express here is; the fresh gradute accountant from 1.6 up to 2.2k now, bcos the company desporate of hiring accountant. Imagine u r the fresh accountant with the enter of 2.2K, u r untung. but for those who sacrify them self for the good of company, they get nothing.

from 1.6 - 2.2 r big amount, let say u start with 1.6, after 3-6 month incresement, u may get addon 150-200 only. Imagine how long u can hit to 2.2K???? But if u r lucky, u can direct hit 2.2k without any experience.


Either u r the sacrify or the lucky one, it all depand on your luck. Same thing happen in design firm too.

btw, Miss B r my previous keli, she gone is the bigger lose of my company.

Thanks for letting know to the designer's out there. Basically all advertising agencies is the same unless if the agency is a 4'A.

you welcome. i think is good to hav this thread, so art director or designer can hav better idea b4 they join the company.

or everyone can PM me their bad experience with the company, i'll show it in the 1st page and keep this updates.

Stay away from family business, they always tend to give benefit to their own family members rather than performance oriented.

That ain't right. They cannot simply reduce people's pay. Designs are very subjective. One might like and another might dislike. If customer don't like then can design until customer accept. If can simple do like this, if customer don't like, can customer pay your less for the project?

• Only after you join, try to reduce the offer after the 1st week. (said: because client reject your visual)

This is bullshit. Client ALWAYS rejects visual. Getting the visual approve with 1st try is the RARE scene. That's why some company will prepare 2 design / 2 concepts for client to choose.

The boss have to see the art director's portfolio and skills before hiring him. Such mistake can be easily avoid by giving more information during the interview.

Reduce offer = slap your own face. This is too evil for ANY industry.


• Only after you join, let you know 2 designer will only assist you after you confirm in 3 months or more.

Erm, this is subjected to the project workload too. I have seen many art directors in small studio do project by themselves. This is quite common in web design field. Sometimes you are more like a "senior designer" than an "art director".

Regardless, if they simply push a big project and expect u to handle it alone with unrealistic timeline. That's the time u need to have serious talk with the project manager / account executive / boss.

But some bosses or manager are typical assholes. They want you to be One Man Show, if you cannot do it. There are many people will take over your post. If you notice in any recruitment ads where a particular company is always hiring designers, this is where the company turnover of designers are high.

This post has been edited by NeoMnemonic: Jul 18 2012, 05:22 PM

Very true, if they do shit oso you can't complain or make any comment.

My sister went through the same thing. She just quit her company . They promised her epf but after she join then they say no epf lol

Company name pls, I open this thread is to let all designer or art director know all the bad company out there...

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Added on July 21, 2012, 9:05 amI understand, but during the interview, she said I'll hav two designer to assist me. End up I got 6-7 jobs on hand comparing to my designer they got only 1 on hand, and said they are still bz....

She do explain why she do that to me, she want to test me...well, my point of view, if my job is to kill 3 chicken a day, why should I taking a test to kill 3 elephant ?

This post has been edited by davidchong11: Jul 21 2012, 09:05 AM

This happens everywhere. I'm working in an advertising company as an admin cum junior designer. And FYI boss promises cannot be trusted sometimes. Many designers left because of this.

So good luck ts.

I guess you might don't understand what TS trying to say. more over trying to use accountant to compare? this is just an odd scene.
and your reply is totally irrelevant at all....


btw, why not we come out a list of a company that being so much ridiculous?
pour all jobs loads etc to a designer etc, i guess is suck, but all these is pretty common in designer scene.
but what i feel like boycott those company that being srsly ridiculous like what TS mention on his 2nd point


as for 3rd point... nothing to whine about.. i know it suck, but... well... not until the extend to boycott imo.

for the 1st point...

I dont see what's the big deal is that.
I do understand this may affect your decision to join or not when in the interview.
but i guess so does the boss...
that's why she just hid it.
perfectly common.

I agree with david here, It is a big deal, if you had a bad experience working with a family business like what David mention here.

no.
im not trying to justify how family business is not a big deal...
now im talking about boycotting sucky company. just to give designer to be aware of what sort of company that will force u work for them til puke blood and you only get peanuts, always cut ur salary, always make u feel guilty for no reason, etc etc....


what im trying to say is that, we shouldnt boycott a company just solely becoz they are family business...
there are family with reasonable and understanding people in it, and there are family with retarded attitude and thinking in it.
ultimately it is base on what sort of family people u join their company.

now you tell me that you wont let ur designer work like f*** and get peanuts and always cut their salary. does that mean when your sibling join venture into you, and that would make you change your way of treating staff into always cut ur staff salary?
i guess the answer is no.


to say boycott a company just solely becoz they are family business, i see it very wrong.
they might be a very good and well understanding people in that family.
for matter of fact, my previous company is sort of family business too. husband and wife, and later stage when i left, the wife sister came in help in accounting.
honestly, there are shits inside, but not until the extend to boycott. they still pay salary on time, they giv you OT money, weekend i nvr see a single staff came into work. once a while staff will OT late, but not always. rarely in fact... but the bonuses is kinda crappy... split into 2 times. the lady boss is.... double face kind of person.... and etc management things. but overall not until the extend to boycott just solely becoz they are family business. each company has pro and cons...

I certainly dont think there will be any problem if in the future i asked my brother to join venture with me. i understand what designers hate as i been thru there.
but as for asking wife to join venture... that i gotto think twice.

to sum up... most family business might really create problems like david said here... but definitely not all.

PS: don get me wrong, im still working for people and not yet marry.

This post has been edited by DeeteeCG: Jul 22 2012, 02:16 PM

True, finally...is just my own opinion. Dont go for a family business company, "IF" you got a choice.

Hi,

I agree on the family business in some ways. However to be fair to the family businesses you cant compare a few bad experiences with the complete industry (even if it would only consist of family businesses).

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anyone want to share bad company experience ??

Used to work in a family based company (husband & wife). Sometimes the mother boss as us to do their children's homework as in drawing artwork or anything involved creative. Sometimes clothes that they seldom wear, they will wrap it up and give to the staff as bday gift.

Great info for others to watch out.
Keep it up and all the best.