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post Nov 27 2016, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Nov 27 2016, 10:32 PM)
が, but why not を?? isn't を is used as object marking particles, especially when in this case the object is はな, regardless of whether it's an act of liking or not?

btw, can you tell me where/which website that you gain access to in order  to learn japanese?? i wanna learn japanese as my long term activity
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Hope this helps. I also want to learn but i can't really concentrate. innocent.gif

http://jgrammar.life.coocan.jp/grammar/jgr_pcas.htm
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post Nov 28 2016, 05:54 AM

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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Nov 27 2016, 10:32 PM)
が, but why not を?? isn't を is used as object marking particles, especially when in this case the object is はな, regardless of whether it's an act of liking or not?

btw, can you tell me where/which website that you gain access to in order  to learn japanese?? i wanna learn japanese as my long term activity
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I recommend using books, either Genki series or Minna no nihongo series. There are e-books you can download online.

'like' is a verb in English but in Japanese, it's an (な) adjective. So it doesn't take an object.
すしをたべる。I eat sushi.
きみが好きだ。 I like you.
はながきれいだ。flower is beautiful.

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post Nov 29 2016, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(CallOfLegend @ Nov 27 2016, 11:58 PM)
Hope this helps. I also want to learn but i can't really concentrate. innocent.gif

http://jgrammar.life.coocan.jp/grammar/jgr_pcas.htm
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thank you soo much 4 the links, really appreciate it notworthy.gif

QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 28 2016, 05:54 AM)
I recommend using books, either Genki series or Minna no nihongo series. There are e-books you can download online.

'like' is a verb in English but in Japanese, it's an (な) adjective. So it doesn't take an object.
すしをたべる。I eat sushi.
きみが好きだ。 I like you.
はながきれいだ。flower is beautiful.
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got e-book version also meh???? shocking.gif walauweh I'm so late into the game

btw how did you learn for kanji ? most online resources point towards WaniKani being a reliable kanji online website for learning kanji, have you tried it before?
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Nov 29 2016, 08:38 PM)
thank you soo much 4 the links, really appreciate it notworthy.gif
got e-book version also meh???? shocking.gif walauweh I'm so late into the game

btw how did you learn for kanji ? most online resources point towards WaniKani being a reliable kanji online website for learning kanji, have you tried it before?
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I've never used that wanikanji.... just use the kanji exercise at the end of the Genki book. As with most foreigners, as long as can type and read, it's ok. As for writing, just know how to write the basic.

I only practise writing using the first two Genki books. When advancing to intermediate, no longer practise writing kanji. tongue.gif
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Kanan Jarrus Tagaini Jisho is a windows app that has kanji stroke animated.

http://www.tagaini.net/
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Nov 22 2016, 08:56 PM)
A) learn Katakana -> learn Kanji -> learn vocabulary -> learn how to form sentence
B) learn vocabulary of Hiragana-> learn Katakana -> Kanji -> forming complete sentence
C) learn vocabulary and also forming sentence in Hiragana -> Katakana -> Kanji
Eh Katakana is the easiest, just remember how the symbols are pronounced. They're only used for you to identify borrowed words, that's all.

You can learn katakana along with hiragana.

kanji is part of learning vocabulary anyway, for example cat is when you read ねこ while in kanji form it is 猫, and it's also ok to use ネコ (katakana form) as well.

As for learning my problem now is I know hiragana but when combined - wth do they mean? It means ........ .I'm lacking in vocabulary so I pick them up as I learn.

Lastly sentence structure - learn along the way too, I try to read / listen as often as I can and attempt to understand / pickup.

Some books or even videos are very good at explaining sentence structures.
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 30 2016, 07:18 PM)
I've never used that wanikanji.... just use the kanji exercise at the end of the Genki book. As with most foreigners, as long as can type and read, it's ok. As for writing, just know how to write the basic.

I only practise writing using the first two Genki books. When advancing to intermediate, no longer practise writing kanji. tongue.gif
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wah, so pro notworthy.gif

QUOTE(CallOfLegend @ Nov 30 2016, 09:43 PM)
Kanan Jarrus Tagaini Jisho is a windows app that has kanji stroke animated.

http://www.tagaini.net/
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thanks for the link, insightful indeed nod.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 30 2016, 10:03 PM)
Eh Katakana is the easiest, just remember how the symbols are pronounced. They're only used for you to identify borrowed words, that's all.

You can learn katakana along with hiragana.

kanji is part of learning vocabulary anyway, for example cat is when you read ねこ while in kanji form it is 猫, and it's also ok to use ネコ (katakana form) as well.

As for learning my problem now is I know hiragana but when combined - wth do they mean? It means ........ .I'm lacking in vocabulary so I pick them up as I learn.

Lastly sentence structure - learn along the way too, I try to read / listen as often as I can and attempt to understand / pickup.

Some books or even videos are very good at explaining sentence structures.
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lol, i'm the oppossite, hiragana is the easiest for me, and one of the reason i despise katakana is due to the huge similarities between katakana word so(ソ) and n(ン), and shi(シ) and tsu(ツ), well, actually i already got no issue with ツ and シ but ソ and ン really ticks me off lol. oh yeah and thanks for giving me tips on how to progressively learn basics sentence structures

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P/S: guys, i wanna ask you 3 this question(since you all know more than me about delving into japanese language studies), but the thing is, how you able to consistently study over a long period of time? in other words, what motivates you to keep on learning japanese language? unsure.gif

my concurrent problem is that i reckon i lack tangible rewards/motivations/goals to be able to keep me pushing my japanese language in the long run.. i never have a japanese friends, i do watch a little bit of J-drama but i think i need more than that in order to push me to learn japanese language, i never been to japan before etc... i realise that if i lack concrete aims or goals to motivate me in learning japanese, i will lack motivation to keep my drive going lol, so yeah it'd be great if any of you can shed some info revolving this matter sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Dec 5 2016, 09:41 AM)
wah, so pro notworthy.gif
thanks for the link, insightful indeed nod.gif
lol, i'm the oppossite, hiragana is the easiest for me, and one of the reason i despise katakana is due to the huge similarities between katakana word so(ソ) and n(ン), and shi(シ) and tsu(ツ), well, actually i already got no issue with ツ and シ but ソ and ン really ticks me off lol. oh yeah and thanks for giving me tips on how to progressively learn basics sentence structures

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P/S: guys, i wanna ask you 3 this question(since you all know more than me about delving into japanese language studies), but the thing is, how you able to consistently study over a long period of time? in other words, what motivates you to keep on learning japanese language? unsure.gif

my concurrent problem is that i reckon i lack tangible rewards/motivations/goals to be able to keep me pushing my japanese language in the long run.. i never have a japanese friends, i do watch a little bit of J-drama but i think i need more than that in order to push me to learn japanese language, i never been to japan before etc... i realise that if i lack concrete aims or goals to motivate me in learning japanese, i will lack motivation to keep my drive going lol, so yeah it'd be great if any of you can shed some info revolving this matter sweat.gif
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Basically your 3 excuses (not problems) are

1. How to stay motivated
2. No friends, resources etc

Answer

1. What is your BIG WHY? Why do you want to learn japanese? Is it to impress chicks, to study in japan, being able to watch dorama without subtitles? Is it just a want, or a burning desire? Once you answer this. you'll find ways to motivate yourself

and you just answered yourself with the 3rd bolded text



2. this is 2016. We have the internet. we have skype, we have facebook.
go to facebook, look for malaysia-japan related groups, make friends. skype

and there are plenty of language exchange and language learning sites. google them
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post Dec 10 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(airiholic @ Dec 10 2016, 08:39 AM)
Basically your 3 excuses (not problems) are

1. How to stay motivated
2. No friends, resources etc

Answer

1. What is your BIG WHY? Why do you want to learn japanese? Is it to impress chicks, to study in japan, being able to watch dorama without subtitles? Is it just a want, or a burning desire? Once you answer this. you'll find ways to motivate yourself

and you just answered yourself with the 3rd bolded text
2. this is 2016. We have the internet. we have skype, we have facebook.
go to facebook, look for malaysia-japan related groups, make friends. skype

and there are plenty of language exchange and language learning sites. google them
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thanks for the advice

i think learning Japanese for me is something like a soul-searching journey... haven't had any single concrete answer to it, it just clicked. it started off as a mild hobby and now with significant time and effort invested into it, I'd like to see how far can i go in the long run..

speaking of language learning sites, is taking JLPT test worth it? those who've taken it sometimes say that since it's mostly textbook-based, it's ways of getting people to study Japanese seemed too "dry" and mundane...
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post Dec 11 2016, 04:47 PM

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What is the difference between 受けました and うけてきました? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Dec 11 2016, 04:47 PM)
What is the difference between 受けました and うけてきました? hmm.gif
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受けました = received
受けてきました = have received

look up 〜てくる and 〜ていく form.

sometimes it's hard to translate. You just have to accept that certain grammar points don't exist in other languages.
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Dec 5 2016, 09:41 AM)
how you able to consistently study over a long period of time? in other words, what motivates you to keep on learning japanese language? unsure.gif

my concurrent problem is that i reckon i lack tangible rewards/motivations/goals to be able to keep me pushing my japanese language in the long run.. i never have a japanese friends, i do watch a little bit of J-drama but i think i need more than that in order to push me to learn japanese language, i never been to japan before etc... i realise that if i lack concrete aims or goals to motivate me in learning japanese, i will lack motivation to keep my drive going lol, so yeah it'd be great if any of you can shed some info revolving this matter sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Dec 10 2016, 02:48 PM)
i think learning Japanese for me is something like a soul-searching journey... haven't had any single concrete answer to it, it just clicked. it started off as a mild hobby and now with significant time and effort invested into it, I'd like to see how far can i go in the long run..
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well, everyone has a different goal and it depends on how much you desire it.

Watch more Jvloggers and J-youtubers. They share so many things about Japan and you'll be interested in it. If you get more interest to visit the country, you'll be motivated to learn it.

Honestly, if you're not in the country, it's a bit difficult. Language learning is the easiest & fastest for those who are in the country/ planning to move to the country.
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Dec 11 2016, 08:07 PM)
受けました = received
受けてきました = have received

look up 〜てくる and 〜ていく form.

sometimes it's hard to translate. You just have to accept that certain grammar points don't exist in other languages.
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Thank you! Will check out those two forms that you've mentioned. blush.gif

Anyway, hopefully I'll be able to pass my JLPT N4 exams.. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Dec 11 2016, 08:40 PM)
Thank you! Will check out those two forms that you've mentioned. blush.gif

Anyway, hopefully I'll be able to pass my JLPT N4 exams.. innocent.gif
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eh?? I thought it was in the beginning of Dec??
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Dec 15 2016, 09:13 PM)
eh?? I thought it was in the beginning of Dec??
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I sat for it on that time lah... don't tell me there are other times where I can sit for the test.. sweat.gif
I know you can sit for it in 1st week of July or 1st week of December, anyways.

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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Dec 16 2016, 06:08 PM)
I sat for it on that time lah... don't tell me there are other times where I can sit for the test.. sweat.gif
I know you can sit for it in 1st week of July or 1st week of December, anyways.
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well, to pass it shouldn't be too difficult.

if you want top scores in all sections, that may be more difficult.
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Hey guys, just wondering if anyone of you studying Japanese around klang valley? I am looking best bang for my buck. Cheap and good lessons with the interest of taking jlpt exam.

Please advise. Thanks
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Dec 10 2016, 02:48 PM)
thanks for the advice

i think learning Japanese for me is something like a soul-searching journey... haven't had any single concrete answer to it, it just clicked. it started off as a mild hobby and now with significant time and effort invested into it, I'd like to see how far can i go in the long run..

speaking of language learning sites, is taking JLPT test worth it? those who've taken it sometimes say that since it's mostly textbook-based, it's ways of getting people to study Japanese seemed too "dry" and mundane...
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It depends. If you're looking to study in japan or get japanese language related work, then it's a must
If you're looking to test how good your japanese is, it's a waste of time

I know many people who passed N1 talk shitty japanese
I also know many people who have N3 and even some people who havent taken JLPT at all that can speak really well
Just like SPM Bahasa Melayu. getting an A dosen't mean you speak good malay
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QUOTE(yellowpika @ Dec 16 2016, 06:08 PM)
I sat for it on that time lah... don't tell me there are other times where I can sit for the test.. sweat.gif
I know you can sit for it in 1st week of July or 1st week of December, anyways.
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so what result you got??

price for the test??
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Feb 2 2017, 08:12 PM)
so what result you got??

price for the test??
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111/180, RM80 for N4
http://www.jlsm.org/japanese-language-proficiency-test.html

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