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 Inverter vs Non Inverter Aircon ., Really save electricity ?

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post Jan 12 2015, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(megahertz @ Jan 12 2015, 12:31 PM)
guys, i want install a 1hp( bedroom) and 1.5(living room) aircond in my house.
surveying for brand and i think might settle with daikin.

but when i go to retail shop, most of then dont hv this brand.
normally where u buy daikin air cond?
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Are You sure? Daikin = York is the most noisy brand
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post Jan 12 2015, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jan 12 2015, 03:15 PM)
just wondering ah....

hall seldom use aircon so install normal one ok rite?
bedroom one every night use so install inverter one save money?
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Ya can be said that.

If you wanna more cooling then go with non_ inverter but R410a model for power saving also on your living.

Then bedroom just use inverter model for saving energy over 8 hrs per night.
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post Jan 12 2015, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Jan 12 2015, 04:09 PM)
Maybe this question out from topic...should i buy aircond now or wait till i get my new house key on jun?gst will affect aircond price?
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If you can keep for 1 mths before GST then just do it.

Anyway will effect your warranty period only.
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post Jan 13 2015, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(SWIZZ @ Jan 13 2015, 10:13 AM)
bro can elaborate more on above statement? i'm not sure what are you trying to say.
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I guess he set temperature lower than 25< degree mean even the room temp. has reached but TS still won't feel that cold enough then try to set on 23C from the compressor runs more 30% waste energy end out same as non-inverter.

Why try to used 25C? Cause 25C inverter R410A equivalent to R22 non inverter 23 or 22C degree.
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post Jan 13 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jan 13 2015, 10:41 AM)
Do you even know what you are talking about? Every single brand has a different design discharge temperature. To generalise 25C inverter = 23 non inverter is...
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Can tell me which brand you using now?
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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jan 13 2015, 11:22 AM)
Pana and york.
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Previous Pana can avoid, cause I knew the problem, but york Neo-Verter should do better job.

My one is the 1st york inverter outdoor side same as Daikin original size the cooling much better then recent Daikin neo-Verter model.
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 13 2015, 11:34 AM)
I been using Panasonic, york for so many donkey years and times. So far so good. York have an issue, think the newer model should solve it, problem when indoor unit remove and service the parts easily broke.
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Pana is ok for the overall, just slighly slower cooling time to compare others brand.

York my kampong one the indoor blower bearing rubber lost within 2 yrs time.
Once service and created heavy vibration noise at all.

maybe under Daikin can be solve out.
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 13 2015, 11:48 AM)
I don't know how you define "slower cooling time to compare others brand.", my previous room using york, and pana before. Both provide the same speed of cooling.
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Maybe mine is lemon unit, turn maximum keep for 2 hours still feels very warm, even refil gas also the same.

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 13 2015, 12:41 PM)
if i currently use aircond with R22, and now i want to change to new aircond with R410a, do i need to change the piping and also electrical wiring?
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If back to back or used trunking then better change, the installation cost has include free 10ft = 3m long copper pipes, if concealed can ask them use new gas to flushing out the existing oil then baru used new gas.
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post Jan 13 2015, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 13 2015, 03:00 PM)
yes mine is back to back. so this means no need to change piping? I thought R410a need bigger pipe diameter as the pressure needed is higher.
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Back to back please change if not you lugi,
They free of 3m long piping for each installation inside your bill.

New piping can last more longer n also new pvc water drain pipe as well.

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post Jan 13 2015, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jan 13 2015, 08:09 PM)
kimsim i tot u robot vakum guy suddenly u airkon guy tongue.gif
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Ha ha I am from verison 2 until now.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3061458

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QUOTE(telur @ Jan 13 2015, 10:04 PM)
Guys , When servicing the compressor of the aircond , normally the contractor will charge higher fee when its place on the roof ? Im advised by my contractor to hide the compressors at roof slab of double storey house . I need to decide whether to put on the roof slab with shorter piping OR to put somewhere easier to reach but with longer piping
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Fully expose outside may not last longer, due high chance casing rust & fan motor kapul.
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post Jan 14 2015, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(telur @ Jan 14 2015, 01:37 AM)
Hard to me but maybe easy to them ? To reach it , 1st gotta go up slab of the car porch , from there need to climb up another level to roof slab using stairs . I believe fully expose will not cause any problems . My more than 10 years fully exposed compressor still working fine
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In my experience on york fan motor can be easily get rust within 5 yrs and general loud noise.

I don't think the rest like Japan brand would be same issue
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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Jan 14 2015, 09:16 AM)
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Don't worried you can post on Pana video

Here quite open mind one

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You guy install exposed direct sun

1. Copper pipes & wiring wear & tear would be without 5 yrs.
2. If the condenser size unit too small very difficult to exhaust out heat, to become indoor won't be cooling quicky.


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post Jan 14 2015, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 14 2015, 05:24 PM)
25c is 25c
22c is 22c

There is no such thing of 25C inverter = 22C non-inverter.

I don't know what kind of science of this statement.   laugh.gif

In non-inverter, once the sensor temperature reached 22c (if one set at 22c), it cut off the compressor.
While for inverter, once sensor sense the temperature getting close to pre-set temperature, it slow down the compressor RPM.
If an air-cond run for 2 hour still not delivering cool air, it is air-cond problem, not related to inverter or non-inverter, and has nothing to do with which brand.

Every brand air-cond should deliver cool air, once compressor kicking in.

If the room still feel warm, either air-delivery (blower clogged, compressor fail to compress the gas property, evaporation problem, room too big, etc. Nothing to do with inverter or not, nor which brand.
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Ya you're right from the statement.
Once turn to user may not thing that difficult way,
I knew what I set from and time for faster cooling or slower cooling all is our bills.

If that Aircon can't get cool as fast then decrease lower temperature from 25 to 23C for non-inverter model.

Whatever I like my room as cold as what I like.

Once switch to inverter you can't think that, cause from 25C really feel like what you set from non-inverter must be set in 23C at least my room more comfort and cold enough for used comforter as sleep well.

Come to brand from buyer paid money for sure can enjoy the same.
But come to hitachi inverter 10k BTU worst than ME 8.5k BTU inverter?

Overall these is consider brand to be 1st and follow by specs and then compressor output else bra bra bra..

To be compare same room size used within 3 yrs used different brand the pre-set from hitachi 24 vs ME 25C the cooling same amount as hitach.

So how to explain?

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 14 2015, 09:35 PM)
smile.gif yeah to powderful until I already stop trying to correct him/her. 25c is cooler than 23c is like saying my freezer made ice at 2c, and yours at 0c
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Ya too funny rite... How can 25c achieved like 23c..

Once you change from non-inverter to inverter unit then you would realise what I saying.

Cheat you guys I get nothing commission here laugh.gif

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Jan 14 2015, 10:17 PM)
is it true inverter a/c has higher maintenance costs ie during repair?

I generally only use a/c on average 2-3 hours a day. worth getting an inverter?
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Inverter or non-inverter also depend luck, once no luck even cheap still needed for repair.

You can consider buy Daikin R410A.

More powerful also energy saving.
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post Jan 14 2015, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Jan 14 2015, 10:26 PM)
luck aside, I don't need a powerful a/c. all I need is cost saving a/c in the long run.
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Wanna Long run the reason go with R410A gas also can consider for non-inverter like Daikin or Pana.

Cause for R22 non-inverter design really too old, anytime can be discontinued or low stock of gas = expansive cost for repair in future time
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QUOTE(fungirl64 @ Jan 14 2015, 11:06 PM)
is it mitsubishi a/c has higher maintenance costs ie during repair?
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Mitsubishi electric for me is zero maintenance cost.

So far I had 2.5hp + 1hp x 2 single split + S'pore system 3.. 1.5hp x 1 & 1hp x 2.

So far so good from jb side all already usage up to 4.5 yrs without any repair, just that day for my 2.5hp power cable connected from outdoor to indoor broken and replace for Rm120 just the cable wire only.

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