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 Inverter vs Non Inverter Aircon ., Really save electricity ?

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post Dec 23 2014, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:44 AM)
Pana made in japan?
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Nowadays where got made in Japan, nobody can afford for shipping & higher tax
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post Dec 23 2014, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Dec 23 2014, 01:23 PM)
I'm not expecting DIY, hence probably may not consider ME. ME to me not very popular in aircond (probably I'm wrong).

My electrical said between Panasonic and Daikin, Daikin give better service and part replacement. In term of outlook
design, Panasonic look modern outlook but Daikin looks plastic.
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Lol.. Design & outlook with performance with maintenance can be after you installed with overall high maintenance cost in future.

Like a girl = high maintenance, but she look pretty wow.
The other one is look normal but she can help you saving some more so which one do you prefer?
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post Dec 23 2014, 01:40 PM

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But ZEN me just available in s'pore market only.

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Like Daikin or york not durable but got many service center.

ME less service center meant more durable n last longer than others brand.

If one thing easy spoil for sure need more support.

share via mine here also brows.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 01:43 PM

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Anyway you guy is smart will be get what I saying here.

Cheers
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post Dec 23 2014, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Dec 23 2014, 04:52 PM)
Thanks for your sharing.

Regarding why Daikin or York with more service center compared to ME, this probably come from few factors such
as Daikin/York has more customers. Eg. the population ratio maybe 9:1 ?
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Daikin came in malaysia market just few years only, cause they combine with York supported to be bigger home now.

ME also lesser service center for each state got one or 2, you can call them for covering under warranty or by seller as well.

Nothing to be worried no parts after sales service.
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post Dec 24 2014, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 24 2014, 05:17 AM)
hahay. where does come like that? more service centre does not mean not durable. it means more people use daikin/york than mitsu bro. as people say ' if you ever try daikin, you will never look other brands' hahay
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lol in before dunno you guys saying York is noisy brand wow.

Nowadays to become a king of Aircon?

Just change logo only ma, like I drove proton but change to mitsubishi then can sales higher value for inspira?

Ha ha ha
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post Dec 25 2014, 03:24 PM

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R410a lah, never heard before for R32.

Also never do half way or service each time needed refill gas, if really needed refill gas meant Aircon man doing lack job from nuts connected joint got lost.
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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Dec 25 2014, 03:27 PM)
Panasonic just released non-inverter that use R410a gas...
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Good for get it in future R410a higher presure = runing faster speed to cool down the room and more coldest than R22.
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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Dec 25 2014, 06:06 PM)
This is good reason to adopt Pana non inverter which can support  future R410a. Any idea Daikin with non inverter able to use R410a?
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Daikin used york non inverter R410a model and change logo into daikin only.
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post Dec 25 2014, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 25 2014, 08:54 PM)
Lol

R32 too rare already
Even singapore still can't found it yet
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post Dec 25 2014, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Dec 25 2014, 09:24 PM)
Guys need your feeback.

2 bedrooms: one occupied, one guest room (seldom use)

the room occupied: panasonic/ME (inverter + ioniser?)
the guest room: any non-inverter to suggest that is less than rm1k?

living room: seldom use air cond also (any non-inverter to suggest?)

currently i'm surveying lazada as my market price, not sure i can get cheaper elsewhere...
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Ionizer really useful?

Panasonic or ME just fine both is depend which one you like.


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post Dec 26 2014, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(invest2229 @ Dec 26 2014, 09:52 PM)
Sorry, a bit confuse. Malaysia current gas using R22 and in future will replace with r32 or r410a ?
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Sykline R32? where got such thing.. R410a lah... even today in malaysia has many still stick with R22 until the unit cant working then baru realise got R410a now. brows.gif
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post Dec 28 2014, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Dec 27 2014, 06:14 PM)
actually i realise panasonic inverter is quite popular, almost the 8 out of 10 houses near mine use panasonic brand.

i think both pan and ME inverter are about the same price right?

any recommendation for non-inverter?
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not sure KL, but in JB area most of houses used ME, in kuching these used panasonic too, cause not much choice. cry.gif cry.gif
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post Jan 5 2015, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(SimpleGuy16 @ Jan 5 2015, 10:40 AM)
I done some research online,its say required just 20BTUs/sf  ? mean if my space have 195sf 1HP will do the job ? but how bout ceiling height? is the sf already include the ceiling height ? my ceiling is 10ft standard as many house. Need advice thx.
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195 sf = 5m x 4m right are you sure 1hp enough to cover it?
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QUOTE(akidos @ Jan 5 2015, 10:46 AM)
From HVAC Engineer perspective , u sir hit the point accurately  . 
inverter function is suitable in single person office applications . Ppl enter and leaves the room ... causing fluctuations of the load to vary by a lot . Ur saving takes place when the inverter start running at part load .

In normal house , chances are ur living room indoor capacity is is lower than ur room capacity . Ur unit regardless using inverter or non inverter will behave the same way .

So no point using inverter for living room applications .
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Sure or not?

No matter inverter or non inverter both are same function, the only different inverter is variable speed with energy saving than non-inverter.

Just test drive car with GB CVT vs 4AT and which one more smooth?

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QUOTE(futra @ Jan 5 2015, 11:04 AM)
Panasonic, non-inverter, 1hp. Same situation. Only use in bedroom during 8hours of sleep.  Bedroom size is roughly ~100 sqf, cant remember (standard pkns low-cost apartment in shah alam).

For the past 2 years, elec bill average ~RM80.

Then, moved to a new condo last week, first service done prior to reinstall. Damn cold now, feels like new aircond installed hehe.. Anyway, now bedroom size is 3.3m x 3.85m = 12.705 m² @ 136.76 sqf. Waiting for the new elec bill. hmm.gif
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Meaning over size bedroom taken longer cooling time and used more energy.

That is very common, unless you change to 1hp inverter or go for 1.5hp non-inverter to be save energy.
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QUOTE(SimpleGuy16 @ Jan 5 2015, 11:15 AM)
that why need advice ? normally how we calculate the space x sf ? as now i need to buy 7 aircond for my house... rclxub.gif
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Room size in meter

1hp for 3x4 = 12sm (15sm) do not exit 15 sq meter.

1.5hp for 5x4 (25sm)

2hp for 6x5.5 (33sm)

2.5hp for 7x6 (45sm)

Once exit the room size meaning under power would be used more waste energy

Height is does not matter how height of that, more than 5m in 3x4m for 1hp still keep cold.

Cold air would going down 1st.

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jan 5 2015, 11:24 AM)
When I bought my Daikins they were made in Thailand, so they don't have York (i.e. OYL) DNA. Daikin owns OYL which makes York under license in Malaysia, but the York brand itself is owned by Johnson Controls.
A bit confusing ^^'
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Display model still old model, if the latest one all to be used York model, Daikin bought over york already.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jan 5 2015, 11:38 AM)
Yeah I know Daikin bought the OYL factory that makes York in Malaysia, so effectively it would make sense if local Daikins came from the local factory, but I'm still pretty sure that Daikin doesn't own the York brand.
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York DNA but logo change to Daikin already.
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QUOTE(boxer07 @ Jan 5 2015, 11:56 AM)
theoretically, yes

i stayed in 5x4m room , 1hp ... with fan... 23c..on for 2hours and i off it... too cold for me ..

why do u need 1.5hp then ? LOL
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You wanna cold the room without sleep in Aircon room up to 8 hrs at least for sure what Aircon can be do the best for you.

Even Elba air cooling towel would be good choice

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