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 Demon Hunter Discussion, For bow lovers!! Share your build!

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polarzbearz
post Jul 19 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Miurra @ Jul 19 2012, 09:28 AM)
Hi Polar, how much armor did you have back then?
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Roughly 2.9k to 3k. Kept it constant until now laugh.gif
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post Jul 19 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 19 2012, 10:37 AM)
Roughly 2.9k to 3k. Kept it constant until now laugh.gif
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i'm having about 52k dps without SS, 2.8K armor with ~280AR (380 physical) and 33k hp.
not too sure if i should up my dps or get armor to 3k to farm act 3 hmm.gif what do you think?
i can farm act 2 quite comfortably now.. act 3 wise, need to pay quite some repair bill shakehead.gif

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post Jul 19 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Miurra @ Jul 19 2012, 02:46 PM)
i'm having about 52k dps without SS, 2.8K armor with ~280AR (380 physical) and 33k hp.
not too sure if i should up my dps or get armor to 3k  to farm act 3 hmm.gif what do you think?
i can farm act 2 quite comfortably now.. act 3 wise, need to pay quite some repair bill  shakehead.gif
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The same question I faced last time, in the end I choose to maintain All Res, Armor and HP and pump my DPS. Works pretty fine right now as I can kill things faster, even if I constantly use my lower-DPS MagFind set.. altho at one point, I increased my AllRes again from ~300 to ~450 (whilst maintaining / improving DPS and HP)
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post Jul 19 2012, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 18 2012, 07:06 PM)
50k DPS w/o SS with ~30k hp, ~350 AllRes should be more than enough to farm comfortably in Act 3; at least for me (Tower of cursed level 1, level 2, spider, core arreat, azmodan). Keeps 1/2/3 works as well but much more.. pain in the ass.

I did Tower to azmodan run ever since 35k DPS w/o SS and improved over time (started with 46k HP ~300 AllRes).


Added on July 19, 2012, 12:19 amAnyway, here's my friend's Tank Hunter build for those who are interested.

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Disclaimer: This is my friend's item/stats/build, not mine. tongue.gif
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With 35k DPS w/o SS, are you able to take down those hard hitting mobs (the ones that can blink) especially with Invul/Reflect/Mortar affix to it? So far, that is 1 mob that I fear to encounter (and will probably hv to skip or incur substantial sum on repair cost) to go through. Also, when you say comfortable, don't you find with those stats farming to be slow?
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QUOTE(legiwei @ Jul 19 2012, 04:18 PM)
With 35k DPS w/o SS, are you able to take down those hard hitting mobs (the ones that can blink) especially with Invul/Reflect/Mortar affix to it? So far, that is 1 mob that I fear to encounter (and will probably hv to skip or incur substantial sum on repair cost) to go through. Also, when you say comfortable, don't you find with those stats farming to be slow?
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Ah, my "rather comfortable" is more like its do-able. Sure it's slower than my farming rate right now, and more deaths as well. But the death rate was way better than my previous glass-cannon build (having problems even with white ranged mobs, 1 hit = die). I moved on slowly from being able to survive, dishing out damages slowly. There are troublesome packs as well with low DPS and average survival ability. Like those that you mentioned, Reflect Damage is fine tho as I can take hits, and just Gloom my HP back with Cluster Bombs when I need them. However there are still packs that I used to skip back then, namely the Hulking Phasebeast.

I can take them down with my current stats, BUT will still face problems occasionally especially when the affixes are something like Hulking Phasebeast: Fast Teleporter Firechain <insert something here>
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post Jul 19 2012, 05:00 PM

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i have HUGE problem with Glass Cannon build.

Even last time when I play Hell mode using all green gems - DIE AT BOSS!! Every one of them. No choice every time reach boss I have to swap gems to purple ones.

My build no problem with fire chain, molten, whatever. just the occasional death due to arcane. That one still very strong despite my high resist.

Hulking Phasebeast would be in Act III, yeah they're tough even in Hell mode.
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QUOTE(Miurra @ Jul 19 2012, 02:46 PM)
i'm having about 52k dps without SS, 2.8K armor with ~280AR (380 physical) and 33k hp.
not too sure if i should up my dps or get armor to 3k  to farm act 3 hmm.gif what do you think?
i can farm act 2 quite comfortably now.. act 3 wise, need to pay quite some repair bill  shakehead.gif
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Your dps is definitely sufficient (assuming you've got good balance of dex, crit chance and crit dmg, IAS). I will suggest you to raise your armor to around high 3k or low 4k and hp around 40k and maintain your resist level.

I actually completed Inferno with low 30k dps, 4k armor, 0 all resist and ~30k hp. Note that I managed to complete and werent able to farm them till I raise my dps, all resist and hp further.

Right now, I can withstand 2-3hits from mobs hit which is good enough for me. The only real problematic mobs that I encounter so far are as mentioned earlier is Hulking Phasebeast. I have 43k dps w/o SS, 41k hp, 4.1k armor and ~230 all resist. Planning to raise my all resist further but equips are generally really expensive with high all resist on.
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post Jul 19 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(shin6619 @ Jul 19 2012, 07:14 AM)
How much?
Got it for 40mil..considered ok la since the minimum on AH is twice that, 80mil shocking.gif

This is my 2 posen only, but I think being able to clear more mobs and elite per run is more efficient than repeating short runs over and over again.
For one, you lose 5 stack and your first 5 elite is quite negligible every time.

Than theres the 'roulette' vs 'card draw' theory.
Roulette theory means that its a 1million sided dice.Doesnt matter if you rolled 1millionth time,if you dont get it, you dont get it.
If you are unlucky enough, you could roll the 3 millionth time only you get that 1 side that you want to roll.
Ppl who believe in this theory are usually those who skips white mobs and do quick runs.

Im leaning more towards the card draw theory, that if you get sucky drops frequent enough, youll get a good one for sure.
Also means that killing white mobs might be wasting time, but it also contribute to your 'card draw'.Killing white mobs = drawing out those sucky cards out of your deck. tongue.gif
For me, since I need to skip some elite on act 3, act 2 is the best place to farm.Besides, act 2 Goblins = good hands for 'draw'! drool.gif
Skipping elites = skipping good hands = frustrating.

In the AMAA itself, the dev said that they even played it with 'no twinking' rule.
Meaning that its highly the 'card draw' rather than 'roulette'.It also comes down to how the dev would play, or want ppl to play.
Do you think that they would do multiple runs over and over again or they farm by clearing an act in 1 sitting?

Some times, its good to put yourself in the dev shoes.

Again, this is only my 2 posen. smile.gif
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post Jul 19 2012, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 19 2012, 05:00 PM)
i have HUGE problem with Glass Cannon build.

Even last time when I play Hell mode using all green gems - DIE AT BOSS!! Every one of them. No choice every time reach boss I have to swap gems to purple ones.

My build no problem with fire chain, molten, whatever. just the occasional death due to arcane. That one still very strong despite my high resist.

Hulking Phasebeast would be in Act III, yeah they're tough even in Hell mode.
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I'm also glass cannon build, since starting until now...
never give up ...

had been through everything except diablo =.=
not yet try ...
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post Jul 19 2012, 09:16 PM

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My DH keep dying on Inferno Act 2 onwards when getting elite mob.
Mortar, Fast, Teleport types..

The stats now are like 50k dps, 40k HP, 3k armor, 200 ~ 300 all resist.

I guess we have to pump it up to 100k dps to get past Inferno Act 4?

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post Jul 19 2012, 09:24 PM

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good tanker will help u pass inf act 4.
high dps may problem when they shadow come out ><"
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post Jul 19 2012, 11:40 PM

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Does that mean average DH cannot solo inferno?
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post Jul 19 2012, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(kons @ Jul 19 2012, 11:40 PM)
Does that mean average DH cannot solo inferno?
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Can...if you skip elite pack sure can...pretty damn easy even I might say.
Elite act 4 is like 100 times harder than Diablo herself.
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post Jul 20 2012, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Jul 19 2012, 09:24 PM)
good tanker will help u pass inf act 4.
high dps may problem when they shadow come out ><"
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and I am one of the victim ...
T.T

anyway, happy 100 page for DH =p

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post Jul 20 2012, 02:01 AM

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my 2 sen for DH. skill > gear.

why some even bother getting so much res/hp? you're not going to tank. you think that extra 10k hp or 500 res will make you live longer? lol.

you're going to evade 99% of any that comes through. maybe you can try having Smokescreen (Linger), Vault (Tumble), Preparation (Focused Mind).
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post Jul 20 2012, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(edge85 @ Jul 20 2012, 02:01 AM)
my 2 sen for DH. skill > gear.

why some even bother getting so much res/hp? you're not going to tank. you think that extra 10k hp or 500 res will make you live longer? lol.

you're going to evade 99% of any that comes through. maybe you can try having Smokescreen (Linger), Vault (Tumble), Preparation (Focused Mind).
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1. Yes. Definitely helps me live longer with that 10k hp and 500 all res.

2. Yes. Evading is a must but unforeseen situations happens, always. Be it a latency issues, retarded hitboxes, unavoidable projectiles, stuck, suck in kiting, etc. The extra survival does help. smile.gif
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post Jul 20 2012, 03:18 AM

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1-hit-ko and 2or3-hits-ko really make alot differences....
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post Jul 20 2012, 04:29 AM

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QUOTE(R'des @ Jul 20 2012, 03:18 AM)
1-hit-ko and 2or3-hits-ko really make alot differences....
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inf act 2-3. if u have 30k hp, 1 hit KO. if 45k hp, still 1 hit KO. what's the difference?

if you like to take hits, then try barb or monk biggrin.gif
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post Jul 20 2012, 04:55 AM

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there are quite a number of high defend (ress, hp, ar) DH in lowyat ...
and some even finish everything, the game ...

so far, none of them saying, " high defend DH cannot work! plz change back" ...
and they are the prove that it works ...

glass cannon and tanker DH both can achieve the goal ...
if you insist to ask "whats the different"

then i would say, it is the different in ways to achieve the goal ...
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post Jul 20 2012, 07:01 AM

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i change from <100 all res and 40k hp to 300 all res and 28k hp
now feel better when eating pot ^^
10k hp look different when u have high all res

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