Any of you have problem with vaults? Whenever I vault and immediately use secondary attack/primary attack, what happens instead was I just vault back into the mobs (vault out and vault back in =.=) and I die.

Nope, it's me vaulting out and vaulting back in. Can see from the animation and sound. Also happens on regular mobs. Always happen when I am under time pressure. Eg, need to vault, secondary attack and vault again to avoid fast mortar mobs. But I vault out and then vault back in. Perhaps it's due to lantency. I'm having like 300++ which is probably not good enough.

I only vault once. Hits secondary attack, instead of attacking, I vault back in!!! Either I die or if I'm lucky, I can SS with close to 0 health. xD.

With your equips (which is quite similar to mine) and if you're playing inferno, I will suggest you to use Tactical Advantage as your passive. Combine that with smokescreen - lingering rune and Vault - tumble. SS with increased time is crucial to allow you to reposition yourself on time, get out of jail, and mobs to drop aggro on you. You should also have preparation - focused mind to regenarate your discpline if the fights get prelonged. Also, get a quiver and a chest that adds at least +8 each discpline (ideally +10 for both). With 48/50 discpline and preparation, you will be able to SS and tumble alot to get yourself out of serious trouble. You will need to kite alot. Will require skills to compensate for the lack of equips. 4th active skill I will choose to go for spike trap - scatter rune, this allows you to plan 3 bombs. If planted correctly, you will be able to get mobs to hit 3 of it, fights will be shorten alot.

Suggested build

1. Smokescreen - lingering rune (prolonged duration)
2. Preparation - focused mind (regenerates over time)
3. Vault - tumble (reduced discpline cost if use again)
4. Spike trap - scatter (3 bombs)

Primary [1] Evasion Fire - Covering Fire (AOE dmg, Best hatred generator, tumbles backward if mobs are near, with tactical advantage you get to run away)
Primary [2] Elemental Arrow - NT (great AOE dmg but slow, works best with bosses or mobs that are huge)

Passive
Steady Aim, Archery, Sharpshooter (choose 2 of the 3)
Tactical Advantage

This post has been edited by legiwei: Jun 12 2012, 08:31 AM

Reflect dmg is tricky. Milky has about 20k hp when I checked with about ~50k dps (assuming it's with sharpshooter). Use pots + smoke screen to take it down. The dmg output shouldn't be too great that it will 1hko you. This is only a big problem if you are a pure glass cannon with like 9k hp with insane damage output. If that's the case, you're probably left with SS. But when you're a glass cannon with insane dmg, you shouldn't need to kite too much. Just keep SS + preparation. With 48/50 discpline, you should be able to SS quite a while. If still insufficient, kite by vaulting + running with tactical advantage speed bonus. Repeat till you have your discpline charged. Be prepared to die though. Sometimes, even if you did everything right, you will still die due to lantency issue especially with vaulting. But I find this build best suited for a budget DH. You could get by inferno without spending even 1 million. That is not to say you wouldn't die alot. But once you've acquired enough practise and keep caution, you should be able to survive a good amount of time without dying much killing good amount of elites/champion. Of course it's a different story if you encounter mobs with affix like invulnerable + fast + reflect = gg.

Depending on the mob. For mobs that are fast, most of the time it's kind of offscreen. You shoot, vault, shoot, vault. SS if you have too. Discpline planning is crucial. If you're low on discpline, make room, running away and keeping safe distance from mob is more important as you might not have enough discpline to vault. As mobs are so fast, by the time you shoot from offscreen, they will have probably catch up and you should already be vaulting away, bear in mind vault has a skill time lag and you are not invulnerable when you use it. So, it's crucial to use it upfront. By the time mobs are near, hitting it will likely result in death. In this scenario, you probably need to SS. Also, shoot run shoot run is also important. Mobs tend to stop at your last spot you go, do something before chasing after you again. So, shoot run shoot run tend to be more space efficient. Further you have evasive fire, so if anything bad goes, you will backflip, immediately run after that, do not spam and hope to kill that mob. Your most important goal is not to allow anything to touch you. You have attack speed bonus, so, it should be easier to do all of this method as you can shoot faster/more while moving. I also use scatter bomb alot as it generally deals more damage than NT. But as you have good attack speed, NTing all the way could do as well. If you do not like scatter bomb, feel free to switch it with something else like impale - chemical burn for great single target dmg? Just my suggestions.

---

Added on June 12, 2012, 10:57 pmHaven tried that before. Personally, my equips sucks so spike trap helps alot in dealing massive damage to champions/elite fights. I normally place it in such a way that all 3 bombs will be hit. I also do not have great attack speed back then, so NT really do take quite a while. And there is the enrage timer you have to take care. Sometimes I kite too long and my dmg sucks so much that I don't have enough time to kill them.

---

Added on June 12, 2012, 11:07 pmI think it's highly unlikely that you can achieve such a huge difference with and without SS. I have about 30k clean without SS and with SS max also about 50k. Unless you have insane amount of crit damage with low crit chance? Haha. At high levels, dex gives you better damage output rather than damage rings. Use a damage calculator to compare your existing stats and your future probable stats is the best way. Personally I will go for dex + attack speed over dex + crit dmg + crit chance unless you are able to have a really high crit rate and dmg. Then again, the differential in cost is probably alot.

This post has been edited by legiwei: Jun 12 2012, 11:09 PM

Yes I am using Tactical advantage as my passive. I was referring to really fast mobs where even you vault and run, they can still chase you. Lolx. So, you might still need SS, drop aggro, run even further. xD

I use this. http://www.diablodamagecalculator.com/ Pretty accurate. It allows you to save your stats in a link, so you could just tweak around to see if you might achieve higher dmg next time you consider an upgrade.

This post has been edited by legiwei: Jun 13 2012, 08:27 PM

WTB gold pm thx.

^Dual wield 1h xbow gives a bonus 15% IAS. Dmg does not stack but the main attributes do.

With 35k DPS w/o SS, are you able to take down those hard hitting mobs (the ones that can blink) especially with Invul/Reflect/Mortar affix to it? So far, that is 1 mob that I fear to encounter (and will probably hv to skip or incur substantial sum on repair cost) to go through. Also, when you say comfortable, don't you find with those stats farming to be slow?

Your dps is definitely sufficient (assuming you've got good balance of dex, crit chance and crit dmg, IAS). I will suggest you to raise your armor to around high 3k or low 4k and hp around 40k and maintain your resist level.

I actually completed Inferno with low 30k dps, 4k armor, 0 all resist and ~30k hp. Note that I managed to complete and werent able to farm them till I raise my dps, all resist and hp further.

Right now, I can withstand 2-3hits from mobs hit which is good enough for me. The only real problematic mobs that I encounter so far are as mentioned earlier is Hulking Phasebeast. I have 43k dps w/o SS, 41k hp, 4.1k armor and ~230 all resist. Planning to raise my all resist further but equips are generally really expensive with high all resist on.

My preference will be to have 12% movement speed with dex and vit. Those boots are kinda cheap and it's extremely useful for survivability.

Glass cannon (stacking all dex only?) is probably the cheapest route prior to repair cost patch. Try it now and I think you will burn millions in no time. I have encountered extremely high dps DH (~150k to 200k dps) and dies like no tmr in Act 3 because they cant take a hit. But yeah, they kill a hell lot faster than me but a dead DH is as good as no dps.

Having a balance between survivability and dps is probably the cheapest route now. Able to take 1-2hits from normal mobs and have some decent dmg (at least can clear elite b4 enrage timer).

Haha wouldn't a boots with high dex, high AR and vit be more expensive compared to a boots with MR 12%, high dex and vit? Unless you managed to stack a good amount of AR with that boots, personally budget wise, MR + dex + vit is probably cheaper. With skills like smoke screen + vault with tactical advantage passive coupled with good amount of disc. You can probably out run most elites even with fast affix on it. The key thing that I like on MR is positioning, especially when I stack up with skills that also boast movement speed. My personal preference anyway.

If you like it, I can try to help you with Act 3. Have been soloing for a while with no problem except for a few difficult elites. Been partying with a monk friend of mine too and we're both doing fine all with pretty ordinary equips.

More than enough. You can finish all act 3/4 with half the dps. But that also depends how does dps figures are derived. Best is to have high dex, reasonably weapons base dmg, balanced of crit chance and crit dmg and IAS. But more importantly is survivability. You could probably still go glass cannon but at certain mini boss, it's probably gonna be difficult post 1.0.3 (i.e. Ghom and Cydaea). But with such high dps, you could probably kill them fast enough that they couldn't even touch you. The more advisable route will be to at least be able to survive 2-4hits from normal mobs.

You can ditch most of your gears xD. Anyway, you really do not need alot of gold to gear up decently to farm at least Act 1 Inferno in current scenario. There are really alot of gears out there with decent stats selling at very good prices. Anyway, in general, choose gears that have reasonable defence, high dex (somewhere between 120-150), reasonable vit (70-100). Get blue IAS ring with like 70 dex x2, get blue amulet IAS with some dex. Your quiver and chest should have at least +8 discpline each stats on it. Get a 1k+ xbow with like 100dex with IAS (if possible). Get a boots with movement speed.

Skip AR first if it's really expensive. Skip on crit hit chance and crit dmg as this thigns are relaly expensive.

I did mine quite comforably with
4k+ armor
200+ resistance
40k hp
59 discpline
80k+ dps with sharpshooter.

Farming mostly on towers onwards.

Kinda surprise as monk with similar/better stats are still finding it difficult to tank Act 3/4. With 8k dps, how long do you clear elites/champion? I am in party with a monk with better stats than this and even they cant stand on molten, arcane sentry on certain elites, especially in Act 4.

I'm now in perfect doubt of what you've said. Are you sure you did Act 3/4 with your stats? I absolutely doubt so. In act 3 there will be plenty of times where elites will appear with tons of packs. With your dps and stats, I highly doubt you can do as what you say. Now you're saying kill butcher afk overnight? Lolx. What a joke.

Added you already lolx. Let's see your so call tanky build man, whether it's as good as you made it not. I think even the best tanker in d3 also cant leave his char afk in butcher and let follower kill. I mean, when enrage comes, you also no rasa? Lolx.