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 Demon Hunter Discussion, For bow lovers!! Share your build!

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dlct87
post Jun 14 2012, 01:18 PM

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well blizz is nerfing attack speed soon, so will save up my money until the patch hit so i can gear up accordingly
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 12:04 PM)
Tru dat , mostly close quarters but i maintain them that way close but cant touch me (if they can be stunned that is lol)

Reading your definition of stutterstepping made me realize thats what i was doing previously but anotherbuild involving bola shots lol but because its too tiring to play that way for me so I dint use that playstyle.

For offscreen kiting , mostly you be using hungering arrow? Since its quite difficult to put the crosshair on the target?

Anyways when you explain stutterstepping perhaps the animation of dude throwing grenades could be cut by me slotting in a low hatred skill like screaming skull smile.gif

So whats your Battletag? perhaps we can play together sometime smile.gif
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I alternate between NT and Hungering Arrow when stutterstep kiting, that and a caltrops every half screen distance means i kill packs before my discipline runs out most the time, unless it's stuff like Extra Health or I run out of kiting room. Don't click the target, just shift + click to fire in the general direction, HA and NT have some room for error but takes some practice.

Can't rmb my Battletag atm, in office, drop me a pm with yours and I'll add u up when I get back?
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 14 2012, 01:16 PM)
Roughly speaking:

((((Weapon Avg Dmg + Other avg dmg) * Dex multiplier) * skill increases ) * Total attacks per second) * (1 + (crit chance * crit dmg)

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I have friend DH who reaches >100k without much, if any attspeed. Mostly high dex, 1.2k crossbow+quiver, and crit chance/dmg. So yeah, just input ur shiz into formula, and u can see from formula what helps what.

Like attspeed, it's multiplied after you modify the dmg (to take into account dex), so obviously that helps
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Sweet formula there , will fill in the details later tonight lol

Does attack speed contribute to your attacks per second? Cuz my attacks per second is 1.6 while in the details is 1.82. I just remembered some dude have 3.1 attack per second.

Attack speed contribute to that?
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 01:28 PM)
Sweet formula there , will fill in the details later tonight lol

Does attack speed contribute to your attacks per second? Cuz my attacks per second is 1.6 while in the details is 1.82. I just remembered some dude have 3.1 attack per second.

Attack speed contribute to that?
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Iirc, just put your attack speed/attacks per second from the detailed chart (like the 1.82) into the formula above.

When you say your attack per second is 1.6, which number does that refer to? The 1.82 is the one in the details sheet kan

This post has been edited by ellimist: Jun 14 2012, 01:32 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 01:12 PM)
Hmm thats what a few DH told me too.

I wonder if there's any benefit at all in using 2x 1H x bow besides looking awesome? lol
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Mostly it's 2H Xbows or Bows, cuz when you use 1H Xbows, ur atk alternates between the 2 weapons so if there's a huge disparity in the damage, ur dps will drop.
At entry lvl 1h xbows it isnt worth it cause you will need good stats and socket on the xbow to break even, which will often cost u an arm and a leg, whereas a good quiver off the AH which gives 15% atkspd bonus (same as DW bonus) costs u just a fraction of that.
It's more common for builds highly based on crit and using stuff like HA with the final rune which relies on critting alot for aoe dmg.
That and the extra discipline u can get off 1H xbows that arent available on 2h Xbows and Bows.


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post Jun 14 2012, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 14 2012, 01:31 PM)
Iirc, just put your attack speed/attacks per second from the detailed chart (like the 1.82) into the formula above.

When you say your attack per second is 1.6, which number does that refer to? The 1.82 is the one in the details sheet kan
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Yeah mang , 1.82 is in the details sheet but 1.6 is in the weapon description lulz

@ -Aerin-

Allrighty dude my battletag is JeanLesGuyz#6556


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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 01:35 PM)
Yeah mang , 1.82 is in the details sheet but 1.6 is in the weapon description lulz

@ -Aerin-

Allrighty dude my battletag is JeanLesGuyz#6556
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Ohh. The one in formula is total of your shizo (weapon + other stuffs)
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(-Aerin- @ Jun 14 2012, 01:32 PM)
Mostly it's 2H Xbows or Bows, cuz when you use 1H Xbows, ur atk alternates between the 2 weapons so if there's a huge disparity in the damage, ur dps will drop.
At entry lvl 1h xbows it isnt worth it cause you will need good stats and socket on the xbow to break even, which will often cost u an arm and a leg, whereas a good quiver off the AH which gives 15% atkspd bonus (same as DW bonus) costs u just a fraction of that.
It's more common for builds highly based on crit and using stuff like HA with the final rune which relies on critting alot for aoe dmg.
That and the extra discipline u can get off 1H xbows that arent available on 2h Xbows and Bows.
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Damn! I always though it is counted as a whole and the alternate attack is just animation.

No more John Woo style I guess sad.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:44 PM

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if rich enough to get 2 somehwat equal dps 1 handed crossbows, both with their separate sockets for emeralds, will the crit damage stack or calculated individually?

dual wield xbows are awesome, if u're rich. sadly, i'm not and i use a 700+dps bow only. saving up for a 1k dps one.
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QUOTE(retsmot @ Jun 14 2012, 01:44 PM)
if rich enough to get 2 somehwat equal dps 1 handed crossbows, both with their separate sockets for emeralds, will the crit damage stack or calculated individually?

dual wield xbows are awesome, if u're rich. sadly, i'm not and i use a 700+dps bow only. saving up for a 1k dps one.
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Well according to what I gathered here from various pro's it appears its counted seperately : /
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Dem server maintenance.

Act 2 so easy kill belial (with mortal enemy, belial phase 3 died before my hatred runs out sweat.gif )
But Act 3 so imposibbru... shakehead.gif

My strat for act 2 is for stun grenade to stun lock pesky elite.
Its easy for dual wield cos we have imba attack speed.

Usually against elite is like this.
Mark an elite, dump all hatred on NT, mobs got close gloom and grenade away.
After hatred full, step back a bit shoot NT again, rinse and repeat.
My prob are mostly those extra health/health link one.So damn long to bring down.

Im so jelly with ppl who can stun lock mobs on dmg caltrops.My disc is too low to use it.

Ppl oso said that grenade is good cos 1 shot you can triple your life on hit.
I only have 100+, so might try to boost that later to 600-800.

QUOTE(retsmot @ Jun 14 2012, 01:44 PM)
if rich enough to get 2 somehwat equal dps 1 handed crossbows, both with their separate sockets for emeralds, will the crit damage stack or calculated individually?

dual wield xbows are awesome, if u're rich. sadly, i'm not and i use a 700+dps bow only. saving up for a 1k dps one.
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It stacks diminishingly, but it does stack, I believe.
Tried dual wield without gem, with one gem and with 2 gems.

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post Jun 14 2012, 02:28 PM

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post Jun 14 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(EmperorScorpion @ Jun 14 2012, 02:28 PM)
Is the server down for maintenance?
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yes my friend....2 lousy hours
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post Jun 14 2012, 02:34 PM

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I found out the ATKSPD + CRITDMG is way much useful for DH than high DEX or DMG.

Especially when I do not need to aim, LOL
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I'm using a bow with 1,2xx dps + attack speed. I find the minimum damage way too low for my liking. I wasted millions just to try out 1,0xx dps 2H xbow with socket still it doesn't beat my bow. 2H xbow at 1.1k~1.2k is way too expensive and I wonder if its worth it. Anyone can let me try?
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(milzer1993 @ Jun 14 2012, 02:29 PM)
yes my friend....2 lousy hours
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Hehe =D icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(EmperorScorpion @ Jun 14 2012, 03:37 PM)
Hehe =D  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I dont understand how ppl can use granade successfully.

The range is soo short and there is a lag time before it actually explodes for dmg. (The bouncing animation).

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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Jun 14 2012, 04:00 PM)
I dont understand how ppl can use granade successfully.

The range is soo short and there is a lag time before it actually explodes for dmg. (The bouncing animation).
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Grenade isnt recommended for glass cannon non dual wield set up, its practically a melee range attack.
Min req of grenade is dual wield for the permastun or you need stun from rain of vengeance to help out.

Even then, its not really for the dmg, just for quick stagger to fill up hatred/health with loh/lifesteal.On inferno, the stun is 0.1x2 sec =0.2 sec sweat.gif
I dont think any dh could do inferno without NT.
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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Jun 14 2012, 04:17 PM)
Grenade isnt recommended for glass cannon non dual wield set up, its practically a melee range attack.
Min req of grenade is dual wield for the permastun or you need stun from rain of vengeance to help out.

Even then, its not really for the dmg, just for quick stagger to fill up hatred/health with loh/lifesteal.On inferno, the stun is 0.1x2 sec =0.2 sec  sweat.gif
I dont think any dh could do inferno without NT.
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Whats NT?

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