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 Demon Hunter Discussion, For bow lovers!! Share your build!

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Dude Oni Kabuto
post Jun 14 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(-Aerin- @ Jun 14 2012, 11:13 AM)
What're ur skillsets like? Its more a matter of how well u adapt to kiting.
stuff like clearing the map for kiting, and good stutterstepping helps alot
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Oh well my skill set is ;

Left click - Grenades - Stun Grenades
Right click - Rain of Vengeance (Stun beasts)

1) Shadow Power - Shadow Glide
2) Preparation - Focused Mind
3) Caltrop - Jagged Edges
4) Cluster Arrow - Dazzzling Arrow

The focus is to just perma stun the mob/enemy while letting caltrops whittle away the stunned mobs life (Works well so far for Inferno Act 1 despite the same eq)

Shadow power to escape while dropping caltrops to regain life. On tougher opponents , I activate Shadow power and have grenads+ cluster arrow burst heal.

I Chose Preparation - Focused Mind due to the total discipline earned is much more while I lure the mobs and dropping caltrops.

So the whole thing, I lure these mobs to tight places while dropping caltrops to slow + damage until they all group or moving at a group slowly.

Then my standard attack with stun grenades will keep them on the caltrops. Some may escaped being stunned and thats when I use cluster arrow - Dazzling Arrow which will almost guarantee a stun , if not the next stun grenade wave will stun them anyways.

Against some elites I could hold my ground with ;

Stun grenade,Shadow Power, Cluster Arrow , Caltrops drops which I get bursts of heal quite well but it takes some time

However , I am certain to die when the elites have stats like Mortar,Fast,Teleport,Vampiric. Let me know if youneed further info as thsi method dont seem to work very well sad.gif


I believe kiting is luring the mob into a place where you can group em together/damage them ? Not sure what stutter stepping means lol ( cant access Bnet/game sites too in office sad.gif)




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post Jun 14 2012, 11:46 AM

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any1 farming with GF?MF gear?
wad are u stats like? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 11:40 AM)
Oh well my skill set is ;

Left click - Grenades - Stun Grenades
Right click - Rain of Vengeance (Stun beasts)

1) Shadow Power - Shadow Glide
2) Preparation - Focused Mind
3) Caltrop - Jagged Edges
4) Cluster Arrow - Dazzzling Arrow

The focus is to just perma stun the mob/enemy while letting caltrops whittle away the stunned mobs life (Works well so far for Inferno Act 1 despite the same eq)

Shadow power to escape while dropping caltrops to regain life. On tougher opponents , I activate Shadow power and have grenads+ cluster arrow burst heal.

I Chose Preparation - Focused Mind due to the total discipline earned is much more while I lure the mobs and dropping caltrops.

So the whole thing, I lure these mobs to tight places while dropping caltrops to slow + damage until they all group or moving at a group slowly.

Then my standard attack with stun grenades will keep them on the caltrops. Some may escaped being stunned and thats when I use cluster arrow - Dazzling Arrow which will almost guarantee  a stun , if not the next stun grenade wave will stun them anyways.

Against some elites I could hold my ground with ;

Stun grenade,Shadow Power, Cluster Arrow , Caltrops drops which I get bursts of heal quite well but it takes some time

However , I am certain to die when the elites have stats like Mortar,Fast,Teleport,Vampiric. Let me know if youneed further info as thsi method dont seem to work very well sad.gif
I believe kiting is luring the mob into a place where you can group em together/damage them ? Not sure what stutter stepping means lol ( cant access Bnet/game sites too in office sad.gif)
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Your playstyle is more close quarters if im not wrong? I recall grenades have a very short range, main reason i didnt use them.

For elites like mortar/teleport etc normally I've found the best way to handle them is off-screen kiting, since they will only use those skills if they are on ur screen and visible to u, if they're at the very edge or offscreen mobs wont mortar u or teleport or jail or wall, making life 100x easier when kiting.
Er, your definition of kiting isnt exactly what I'd expect, I'd say it's more on constant movement to keep distance i.e. offscreen whilst whittling down their hp. Stutterstepping is basically where u move shoot move shoot at a fast pace, where u move during the atkspd animation delay of ur attack, instead of completely stopping and dpsing full time.
I use the cookie cutter build of HA/DA & NT which is more suited for long ranged kiting, which makes life alot easier if you're not geared enough to burn things down if they manage to reach u.

Which areas are u having problems advancing through? Specific elite packs or bosses?

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post Jun 14 2012, 11:51 AM

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If you don't mind dying, just aim for DPS DPS DPS, and rely on Shadow Power + Gloom to survive. Stack Max Discipline so that you can chain cast SP. It is definitely faster than spending 70% of the time running, 15% shooting, 15% dying.

It'll be something like 30% dying, 70% shooting, which of course you will be killing much faster.

FYI, Shadow Power + Gloom + High DPS can counter Reflect Damage mobs as well. But it isn't enough for Reflect Damage + Plagued + Molten etc etc..
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(-Aerin- @ Jun 14 2012, 11:46 AM)
Your playstyle is more close quarters if im not wrong? I recall grenades have a very short range, main reason i didnt use them.

For elites like mortar/teleport etc normally I've found the best way to handle them is off-screen kiting, since they will only use those skills if they are on ur screen and visible to u, if they're at the very edge or offscreen mobs wont mortar u or teleport or jail or wall, making life 100x easier when kiting.
Er, your definition of kiting isnt exactly what I'd expect, I'd say it's more on constant movement to keep distance i.e. offscreen whilst whittling down their hp. Stutterstepping is basically where u move shoot move shoot at a fast pace, where u move during the atkspd animation delay of ur attack, instead of completely stopping and dpsing full time.
I use the cookie cutter build of HA/DA & NT which is more suited for long ranged kiting, which makes life alot easier if you're not geared enough to burn things down if they manage to reach u.

Which areas are u having problems advancing through? Specific elite packs or bosses?
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Tru dat , mostly close quarters but i maintain them that way close but cant touch me (if they can be stunned that is lol)

Reading your definition of stutterstepping made me realize thats what i was doing previously but anotherbuild involving bola shots lol but because its too tiring to play that way for me so I dint use that playstyle.

For offscreen kiting , mostly you be using hungering arrow? Since its quite difficult to put the crosshair on the target?

Anyways when you explain stutterstepping perhaps the animation of dude throwing grenades could be cut by me slotting in a low hatred skill like screaming skull smile.gif

So whats your Battletag? perhaps we can play together sometime smile.gif


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post Jun 14 2012, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Jun 14 2012, 09:59 AM)
What is your critical hit chance without SS on?
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crit chance without SS is 30%

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Dex quite high but low attack speed. Could be you're mainly lacking this stat


i think so.. my attack speed slow.. item with atk speed is dem expensive..

if i change to dual weild bow, higher dps, do my dps will go higher?

This post has been edited by hyperzx: Jun 14 2012, 12:15 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:12 PM

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haiz... y u all so high dps 1 sleep.gif

me only 60k nia. sad.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:27 PM

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Im also at about 70k with SS on...
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:36 PM

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How do you guys get that kind of DPS?

Im at 32K with SS , without SS only 14K
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:45 PM

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post Jun 14 2012, 12:47 PM

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I'm even worse laugh.gif , I only have 17k with SS!

Cause I'm wearing all my gears with GF. biggrin.gif

Anyway, my actual DPS is only 33K+ with SS. sad.gif too poor to buy a better weapons.

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I think my gems need to change to higher end and add more equipment with crit damage % and also change my 1k dps to something higher... Then should be able to reach 100 over thousand damage..
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 12:36 PM)
How do you guys get that kind of DPS?

Im at 32K with SS , without SS only 14K
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what weapon u using?

mine xbow with 750 dmg get 58k dps
my friend xbow with 1k dmg get 80k ish dps

with ss ofcourse
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:49 PM

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So guys with 70K dps , 120k dps.

What makes it that way? Dex , Attack Speed%? I must be doing something wrong here since mine is still too damn low lol
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:52 PM

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Dex, Attack speed %, Crit damage %, weapon dps all contributes to damage
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(kadS @ Jun 14 2012, 12:49 PM)
what weapon u using?

mine xbow with 750 dmg get 58k dps
my friend xbow with 1k dmg get 80k ish dps

with ss ofcourse
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750 dmg is not 750 dps weapon right? Its the base damage?

Im currently using 2 x 1h xbow.

Main hand = 749 DPS (Damage range like 300 to 600) and off hand = 540 DPS (200 - 500) which makes my DPS 32k with SS

I tried using ;

Main hand = 749 DPS (Damage range like 300 to 600) and off hand = 760 DPS (300 - 600) which makes my DPS 28K with SS.

The difference with the offhand is only 50 dex lol
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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 12:56 PM)
750 dmg is not 750 dps weapon right? Its the base damage?

Im currently using 2 x 1h xbow.

Main hand = 749 DPS (Damage range like 300 to 600) and off hand = 540 DPS (200 - 500) which makes my DPS 32k with SS

I tried using ;

Main hand = 749 DPS (Damage range like 300 to 600) and off hand = 760 DPS (300 - 600) which makes my DPS 28K with SS.

The difference with the offhand is only 50 dex lol
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750dps sorry.

get a 2h bow or xbow and a quiver and check. u will be surprise lol
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(kadS @ Jun 14 2012, 01:08 PM)
750dps sorry.

get a 2h bow or xbow and a quiver and check. u will be surprise lol
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Hmm thats what a few DH told me too.

I wonder if there's any benefit at all in using 2x 1H x bow besides looking awesome? lol
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QUOTE(Dude Oni Kabuto @ Jun 14 2012, 12:49 PM)
So guys with 70K dps , 120k dps.

What makes it that way? Dex , Attack Speed%? I must be doing something wrong here since mine is still too damn low lol
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Roughly speaking:

((((Weapon Avg Dmg + Other avg dmg) * Dex multiplier) * skill increases ) * Total attacks per second) * (1 + (crit chance * crit dmg)

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I have friend DH who reaches >100k without much, if any attspeed. Mostly high dex, 1.2k crossbow+quiver, and crit chance/dmg. So yeah, just input ur shiz into formula, and u can see from formula what helps what.

Like attspeed, it's multiplied after you modify the dmg (to take into account dex), so obviously that helps

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