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post May 22 2012, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(phoenixxx @ May 22 2012, 04:54 PM)
hey guys, for those of u struggling in hell difficulty, i've stumbled upon a build that works quite well (in fact tried it out before server went down) - i stopped dying and cleared some maps in act 2 where previously was almost impossible. even managed to clear those invuln minion mobs, etc.

try it out (will post in 1st page as well)

of coz u dont have to follow 100% (i made some slight modification to it as well)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149148693?page=1


Added on May 22, 2012, 4:58 pmand i just realized i also forgot to take the templar along. this build is amazing as far as i can tell for now (around 1 hr of testing)
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Exactly my build right now but I did it without using the signature spells + arcane recovery per attack. Its viable and I believe it will works even more wonder if I added the signature spell as well.

Thou I'm using it in Inferno mode it should be a lot better in Hell.
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post May 22 2012, 05:10 PM

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Lvl60 wiz here, been in Inferno from yday. Generally I party up, still too slow alone unless I can get monies and gear >_<

For hell mode, my build was very similar to build above, minus primary skill (I don't use one). Active skills wise at least. Might hop over to the the Arcane dynamo though, haven't tested that yet hmm, thanks for the link


Added on May 22, 2012, 5:13 pm
QUOTE(Nels @ May 22 2012, 05:09 PM)
Exactly my build right now but I did it without using the signature spells + arcane recovery per attack. Its viable and I believe it will works even more wonder if I added the signature spell as well.

Thou I'm using it in Inferno mode it should be a lot better in Hell.
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Hmm seems we're on similar track lol. You posted right before me.

If you don't have signature, what's your left click spell? (minus hydra,blizz,diamond,energy,magic missle). Having a tough time balancing that one out. Blizz doesn't do too much instantly unlike say, arcane orb. Had that instead of hydra but since you can't switch spells before bosses without losing buff, I changed. So still wondering how to dish out damage.
My passives are glass (lol), arcane presence (to offset armor) and the reduce cooldown thingie.

Can share share abit? =)

This post has been edited by ellimist: May 22 2012, 05:13 PM
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post May 22 2012, 05:14 PM

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eh same same la. laugh.gif not using signature spell also. finally, all my spells look cool. also, no more weird orb s*** laugh.gif sometimes feels like throwing out mass effect galaxy maps.
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post May 22 2012, 05:33 PM

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ehh actually my left and right click is pretty messy tongue.gif

*note i priotize damage over anything. >_< sometimes I go crazy as to only have 6k Max HP even solo-ing in inferno. But that also depends on how fast I can react to magic attacks from mobs. Sometimes mobs does this crazy magic instantly and by the moment you realised it you already on the floor. - so I always bring my vit pair Armor + pants which give me additional 10k hp or more i forgot biggrin.gif

my left would be FrostHydra and right click would be blizzard + unreletting storm (more damage for blizzard - my kind of thing!)

1 - Energy Armor + Energy Tap (extra 20 arcane is definite welcome to me)
2 - Familiar + Sparkflint (like i said I priotize damage)
3 - Magic Weapon + Force Weapon (damage damage damage!)
4 - Diamond Skin + Crystal Shell ( without this runes Diamond Skin is pointless to me in inferno )

Passive - Cold Blooded (Reason for my Frost Hydra), Galvanizing Ward (the regen is much welcome), Astral Presence (again AP is like Wizardy life.)

So yeah After I use blizzard (increase damage by 20%) I use Hydra (to damage them) I then repeat this steps. Whenever the mobs reaching closer, I activate Diamond skin and walk through them - in the middle of that I drop a blizzard again and recast Hydra if necessary then went behind them. I repeat this back and forth until the mobs are all cleared.

Of course the trick here is to never get hit at all. Since I only have 6k hp lol. Even if we do get hit a little, there's this awesome regen every wiz know.

I wanted to try Venom hydra next. It sounds cool since it does dps overtime. How big is the pool anyway?
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post May 22 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ May 22 2012, 05:33 PM)
ehh actually my left and right click is pretty messy tongue.gif

*note i priotize damage over anything. >_< sometimes I go crazy as to only have 6k Max HP even solo-ing in inferno. But that also depends on how fast I can react to magic attacks from mobs. Sometimes mobs does this crazy magic instantly and by the moment you realised it you already on the floor. - so I always bring my vit pair Armor + pants which give me additional 10k hp or more i forgot biggrin.gif

my left would be FrostHydra and right click would be blizzard + unreletting storm (more damage for blizzard - my kind of thing!)

1 - Energy Armor + Energy Tap (extra 20 arcane is definite welcome to me)
2 - Familiar + Sparkflint (like i said I priotize damage)
3 - Magic Weapon + Force Weapon (damage damage damage!)
4 - Diamond Skin + Crystal Shell ( without this runes Diamond Skin is pointless to me in inferno )

Passive - Cold Blooded (Reason for my Frost Hydra), Galvanizing Ward (the regen is much welcome), Astral Presence (again AP is like Wizardy life.)

So yeah After I use blizzard (increase damage by 20%) I use Hydra (to damage them) I then repeat this steps. Whenever the mobs reaching closer, I activate Diamond skin and walk through them - in the middle of that I drop a blizzard again and recast Hydra if necessary then went behind them. I repeat this back and forth until the mobs are all cleared.

Of course the trick here is to never get hit at all. Since I only have 6k hp lol. Even if we do get hit a little, there's this awesome regen every wiz know.

I wanted to try Venom hydra next. It sounds cool since it does dps overtime. How big is the pool anyway?
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You should try Force Armor + Diamond Skin since your vit is so low, its really overpowered atm. With force armor, the maximum dmg you can receive from a single blow is 6000hp * 35% = 2100 HP. Thats good but here's the killer part; Diamond Skin only absorbs the damage AFTER the force amor reduces the damage. This means with Diamond Skin, you can take about 10 hits from mobs before Diamond Skin breaks.

10 free hits...thats really alot
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post May 22 2012, 05:50 PM

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if u know, ray frost does more dmg than disintergrate
215% comapre to 155%

draw back, disintergrate can go trough enemies, ray frost cant

but i like using rayfrost + snow blast(boss killer)

longer use more dmg, i get around 15k plus per hit with rayfrost+snowblast after 1.5seconds biggrin.gif
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post May 22 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ May 22 2012, 05:33 PM)
ehh actually my left and right click is pretty messy tongue.gif

*note i priotize damage over anything. >_< sometimes I go crazy as to only have 6k Max HP even solo-ing in inferno. But that also depends on how fast I can react to magic attacks from mobs. Sometimes mobs does this crazy magic instantly and by the moment you realised it you already on the floor. - so I always bring my vit pair Armor + pants which give me additional 10k hp or more i forgot biggrin.gif

my left would be FrostHydra and right click would be blizzard + unreletting storm (more damage for blizzard - my kind of thing!)

1 - Energy Armor + Energy Tap (extra 20 arcane is definite welcome to me)
2 - Familiar + Sparkflint (like i said I priotize damage)
3 - Magic Weapon + Force Weapon (damage damage damage!)
4 - Diamond Skin + Crystal Shell ( without this runes Diamond Skin is pointless to me in inferno )

Passive - Cold Blooded (Reason for my Frost Hydra), Galvanizing Ward (the regen is much welcome), Astral Presence (again AP is like Wizardy life.)

So yeah After I use blizzard (increase damage by 20%) I use Hydra (to damage them) I then repeat this steps. Whenever the mobs reaching closer, I activate Diamond skin and walk through them - in the middle of that I drop a blizzard again and recast Hydra if necessary then went behind them. I repeat this back and forth until the mobs are all cleared.

Of course the trick here is to never get hit at all. Since I only have 6k hp lol. Even if we do get hit a little, there's this awesome regen every wiz know.

I wanted to try Venom hydra next. It sounds cool since it does dps overtime. How big is the pool anyway?
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Holy cow 6k! Isn't that one hit KO at times from normal mobs? XD

K just recently change was:

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Hmm don't think it's very big, the pool tongue.gif. I also just started using, will observe again =)

Basically I've changed quite abit to include defenses. Since inferno ideally don't change build on the go, need some defenses esp for boss fight.

Hmm so wondering if disintegrate and rune is a good choice. Also looking to change blizz one abit, but I do have a 20 arcane reduction from armor. And I guess evocation is next on list. Does take off 2 seconds from diamond, but proly don't need it huh.
Wondering if I actually need a channel spell. Proly can change that to arcane orb + mana reduction since that's tap the source, since that's 175%. Hmmmm


Added on May 22, 2012, 5:56 pm
QUOTE(Szzz @ May 22 2012, 05:41 PM)
You should try Force Armor + Diamond Skin since your vit is so low, its really overpowered atm. With force armor, the maximum dmg you can receive from a single blow is 6000hp * 35% = 2100 HP. Thats good but here's the killer part; Diamond Skin only absorbs the damage AFTER the force amor reduces the damage. This means with Diamond Skin, you can take about 10 hits from mobs before Diamond Skin breaks.

10 free hits...thats really alot
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Hmm never thought of that. Low HP helping make diamond skin more awesome. So y have I been looking for vit gear xD (which actually makes my diamond skin die faster I guess, lol)

QUOTE(Redcross @ May 22 2012, 05:50 PM)
if u know, ray frost does more dmg than disintergrate
215% comapre to 155%

draw back, disintergrate can go trough enemies, ray frost cant

but i like using rayfrost + snow blast(boss killer)

longer use more dmg, i get around 15k plus per hit with rayfrost+snowblast after 1.5seconds biggrin.gif
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Yeah, huge fan of rayfrost, but certain bosses can't really stand still and hit much, hard to get much out of it. Like butcher, floor keep lighting up x.x

This post has been edited by ellimist: May 22 2012, 06:08 PM
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post May 22 2012, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Szzz @ May 22 2012, 05:41 PM)
You should try Force Armor + Diamond Skin since your vit is so low, its really overpowered atm. With force armor, the maximum dmg you can receive from a single blow is 6000hp * 35% = 2100 HP. Thats good but here's the killer part; Diamond Skin only absorbs the damage AFTER the force amor reduces the damage. This means with Diamond Skin, you can take about 10 hits from mobs before Diamond Skin breaks.

10 free hits...thats really alot
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Hey! Thanks for the note up! I didn't know Force Armor will reduce the damage first over Diamond Skin. This is cool rclxm9.gif
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eh How did you manage to DPS with Disintegrate while slowing them with blizz and using Hydra at the same time? Wouldn't that overkill usage of AP?

I did use Disintegrate as my main last time but it consume to much AP for of course a crazy amount of damage. But in a long run, it gives me trouble. sad.gif

Also my reason for not using Glass (even though aim is damage) because of the decrease in armor and resistance. (i know i have sucky hp and it don't really help to have extra armor and resistance) but there is no point for me to use Energy Armor to increase my resistance and armor but my passive end up decreasing it. But yes the extra damage is very nice still.

Also cooldown don't really that matters anymore to me because Blizzard + Hydra has no CD at all - plus they slow and give me enough time to wait for Diamond Skin to finish CD.

But if your option to go for party overall your build is better because of the CD and extra damage. I will opt for your build over mine in party hehe.
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QUOTE(Nels @ May 22 2012, 06:09 PM)
Hey! Thanks for the note up! I didn't know Force Armor will reduce the damage first over Diamond Skin. This is cool  rclxm9.gif
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eh How did you manage to DPS with Disintegrate while slowing them with blizz and using Hydra at the same time? Wouldn't that overkill usage of AP?

I did use Disintegrate as my main last time but it consume to much AP for of course a crazy amount of damage. But in a long run, it gives me trouble. sad.gif

Also my reason for not using Glass (even though aim is damage) because of the decrease in armor and resistance. (i know i have sucky hp and it don't really help to have extra armor and resistance) but there is no point for me to use Energy Armor to increase my resistance and armor but my passive end up decreasing it. But yes the extra damage is very nice still.

Also cooldown don't really that matters anymore to me because Blizzard + Hydra has no CD at all - plus they slow and give me enough time to wait for Diamond Skin to finish CD.

But if your option to go for party overall your build is better because of the CD and extra damage. I will opt for your build over mine in party hehe.
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Yeap agreed it's giving me long run troubles. My solo was rayfrost + mana reduction ma. + astral that has a net use of 0 arcane >_<. So blizz to slow and DPS, hydra to help, and rayfrost to pick off individual targets without losing arcane. And remember my blizz is the reduced mana one tongue.gif

But yeah, biggest trouble for me now is figuring out the left click skill. Thinking I'm doing enough DPS, just that hard to notice in party. Proly have to replace it with the dreaded signature spells. Meh

Edit: Thinking of giving the shockpulse/piercing orb ago. Largest aoe dmg I can see that's free. Then proly replace Evocation with Arcane dynamo hmm.gif

This post has been edited by ellimist: May 22 2012, 06:21 PM
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post May 22 2012, 09:17 PM

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I have a question. I have a lv9 wizard. Problem is that there seem to be delay in whatever I do (lag?) .

I repeatedly cast Arcane Orb but nothing come out. Seconds later suddenly several arcane orb shoot out like machine gun.
I can Frost Nova and try to run away. The screen show I was running away but seconds later it shows I was still standing at the same spot with the frost nova only come out.

I scare if this is hell or inferno mode I will die already. So should I still continue with this wiz?
I don't seem to have this problem with my barb though.
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post May 22 2012, 09:22 PM

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Got hacked.Bye byE Wiz T_T
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QUOTE(Dharcness @ May 22 2012, 09:17 PM)
I have a question. I have a lv9 wizard. Problem is that there seem to be delay in whatever I do (lag?) .

I repeatedly cast Arcane Orb but nothing come out. Seconds later suddenly several arcane orb shoot out like machine gun.
I can Frost Nova and try to run away. The screen show I was running away but seconds later it shows I was still standing at the same spot with the frost nova only come out.

I scare if this is hell or inferno mode I will die already. So should I still continue with this wiz?
I don't seem to have this problem with my barb though.
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post May 22 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Zelda85 @ May 22 2012, 09:22 PM)
Got hacked.Bye byE Wiz T_T
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post May 22 2012, 10:10 PM

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Currently my build for Hell Act 2, solo in Act 1 no problem with this build (well, for me that is biggrin.gif) :

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;fbX!bbbZYY


Added on May 22, 2012, 10:11 pmSo, now i can change my Ice armor and pair it up with Diamond for more damage reduction rclxms.gif..thanks for the tips thumbup.gif

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post May 22 2012, 10:17 PM

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My wiz is level 41 now, currently using this build. Plan to replace Prodigy with Temporal Flux once I get it to apply snares on mobs with Magic Missile and Disintegrate, then finish up with venom hydra rclxms.gif

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;cXf!baaabZ


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post May 22 2012, 10:20 PM

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Seems like Venom Hydra is everyone fave drool.gif...i dunno but seems like venom does the most damage and long range too hmm.gif
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post May 23 2012, 02:20 AM

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fianlly surving hell mode with diamonskin

used skills:

RayFrost + Cold blood
diamond skin + Chrystal Shell
Slow time + time warp(20% extra dmg)
Poison Hyrda
Force Weapon
Energy Armor + Energy Tap

So far surviving solo mode with this setup

glass cannon, galvanizing ward, astral presence is my passive setup
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guys how u determine or increase the damage of wizard? im on lvl 34, all rare gears but dps onli around 700, is that normal?

i feel that my dps is low... can someone advice a bit?

and about the gear , wat stat do i need? i knew int is important, other than that?
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QUOTE(arcule @ May 23 2012, 10:10 AM)
guys how u determine or increase the damage of wizard? im on lvl 34, all rare gears but dps onli around 700, is that normal?

i feel that my dps is low... can someone advice a bit?

and about the gear , wat stat do i need? i knew int is important, other than that?
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If you don't mind att speed, that helps too. But drains arcane faster if you use cancelling spells like ray of frost.

After the above only do you stack your int, then you should do fine. Think 700dps is fine @34, can't really remember
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me lvl 44 11k+ HP , armor 2k+ , DPS 1.5k+ is it ok for that lvl?

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