Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

Health Type 1 diabetes & Type 2 diabetes

views
     
SUSgreenlife
post Apr 30 2012, 12:05 PM, updated 14y ago

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
Type 1 diabetes

Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease - the person's body has destroyed his/her own insulin-producing beta cells in the pancreas.

People with Diabetes Type 1 are unable to produce insulin. Most patients with Diabetes Type 1 developed the condition before the age of 40. Approximately 15% of all people with diabetes have Type 1.

Type 1 diabetes is fatal unless the patient regularly takes exogenous insulin. Some patients have had their beta cells replaced through a pancreas transplant and have managed to produce their own insulin again.

Type 1 diabetes is also known as juvenile diabetes or childhood diabetes. Although a large number of diabetes Type 1 patients become so during childhood, it can also develop after the age of 18. Developing Type 1 after the age of 40 is extremely rare.

Type 1, unlike Type 2, is not preventable. The majority of people who develop Type 1 are of normal weight and are otherwise healthy during onset. Exercise and diet cannot reverse Type 1. Quite simply, the person has lost his/her insulin-producing beta cells. Several clinical trials have attempted to find ways of preventing or slowing down the progress of Type 1, but so far with no proven success.

A C-peptide assay is a lab test that can tell whether somebody has Type 1 or Type 2. As external insulin has no C-peptide a lack of it would indicate Type 1. The test is only effective when ALL the endogenous insulin has left the body - this can take several months.



What is Type 1 Diabetes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOWhuC_9Lw




Type 2 diabetes

A person with diabetes type 2 either:

Does not produce enough insulin. Or
Suffers from 'insulin resistance'. This means that the insulin is not working properly.
The majority of people with Type 2 have developed the condition because they are overweight. Type 2 generally appears later on in life, compared to Type 1. Type 2 is the most common form of diabetes.

In the case of insulin resistance, the body is producing the insulin, but insulin sensitivity is reduced and it does not do the job as well as it should do. The glucose is not entering the body's cells properly, causing two problems:

A build-up of glucose in the blood.
The cells are not getting the glucose they need for energy and growth.
In the early stages of Type 2 insulin sensitivity is the main abnormality - also there are elevated levels of insulin in the blood. There are medications which can improve insulin sensitivity and reduce glucose production by the liver.

As the disease progresses the production of insulin is undermined, and the patient will often need to be given replacement insulin.

Many experts say that central obesity - fat concentrated around the waist in relation to abdominal organs - may make individuals more predisposed to develop Type 2 diabetes.

Central obesity does not include subcutaneous fat - fat under the skin. The fat around your waist - abdominal fat - secretes a group of hormones called adipokines. It is thought that adipokines may impair glucose tolerance.

The majority of people who develop diabetes Type 2 were overweight during the onset, while 55% of all Type 2 patients were obese during onset.


It is not uncommon for people to achieve long-term satisfactory glucose control by doing more exercise, bringing down their bodyweight and cutting down on their dietary intake of carbohydrates.

However, despite these measures, the tendency towards insulin resistance will continue, so the patient must persist with his/her increased physical activity, monitored diet and bodyweight.

If the diabetes mellitus continues the patient will usually be prescribed orally administered anti-diabetic drugs. As a person with Type 2 does produce his/her own insulin, a combination of oral medicines will usually improve insulin production, regulate the release of glucose by the liver, and treat insulin resistance to some extent.

If the beta cells become further impaired the patient will eventually need insulin therapy in order to regulate glucose levels.


What is Type 2 Diabetes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBJN7DH83HA



This post has been edited by greenlife: Apr 30 2012, 04:15 PM
Mr.Docter
post Apr 30 2012, 01:04 PM

Doctorpreneurs
*******
Senior Member
5,367 posts

Joined: Aug 2009



Okay... So this is a discussion thread regarding IDDM?
SUSgreenlife
post Apr 30 2012, 04:01 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
many unaware they have diabetes very late...




This post has been edited by greenlife: Apr 30 2012, 04:11 PM
TinyPumpkin
post Apr 30 2012, 05:30 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,233 posts

Joined: Nov 2010
Thanks for sharing TS.

I love chocs and ice cream but got to sacrifice now that my sugar is high.

I was losing weight when I took glucophage. Now that I have switched to another medication I have gained some weight.
SUSgreenlife
post Apr 30 2012, 05:37 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
Diabetes Types 1 and 2 are chronic medical conditions - this means that they are persistent and perpetual. Gestational Diabetes usually resolves itself after the birth of the child.
SUSgreenlife
post May 1 2012, 10:45 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
Symptoms of Diabetes

People can often have diabetes and be completely unaware. The main reason for this is that the symptoms, when seen on their own, seem harmless. However, the earlier diabetes is diagnosed the greater the chances are that serious complications, which can result from having diabetes, can be avoided.

Here is a list of the most common diabetes symptoms:

Frequent urination
Have you been going to the bathroom to urinate more often recently? Do you notice that you spend most of the day going to the toilet? When there is too much glucose (sugar) in your blood you will urinate more often. If your insulin is ineffective, or not there at all, your kidneys cannot filter the glucose back into the blood. The kidneys will take water from your blood in order to dilute the glucose - which in turn fills up your bladder.

Disproportionate thirst
If you are urinating more than usual, you will need to replace that lost liquid. You will be drinking more than usual. Have you been drinking more than usual lately?

Intense hunger
As the insulin in your blood is not working properly, or is not there at all, and your cells are not getting their energy, your body may react by trying to find more energy - food. You will become hungry.

Weight gain
This might be the result of the above symptom (intense hunger).

Unusual weight loss
This is more common among people with Diabetes Type 1. As your body is not making insulin it will seek out another energy source (the cells aren't getting glucose). Muscle tissue and fat will be broken down for energy. As Type 1 is of a more sudden onset and Type 2 is much more gradual, weight loss is more noticeable with Type 1.

Increased fatigue
If your insulin is not working properly, or is not there at all, glucose will not be entering your cells and providing them with energy. This will make you feel tired and listless.

Irritability
Irritability can be due to your lack of energy.

Blurred vision
This can be caused by tissue being pulled from your eye lenses. This affects your eyes' ability to focus. With proper treatment this can be treated. There are severe cases where blindness or prolonged vision problems can occur.

Cuts and bruises don't heal properly or quickly
Do you find cuts and bruises take a much longer time than usual to heal? When there is more sugar (glucose) in your body, its ability to heal can be undermined.

More skin and/or yeast infections
When there is more sugar in your body, its ability to recover from infections is affected. Women with diabetes find it especially difficult to recover from bladder and vaginal infections.

Itchy skin
A feeling of itchiness on your skin is sometimes a symptom of diabetes.

Gums are red and/or swollen - Gums pull away from teeth
If your gums are tender, red and/or swollen this could be a sign of diabetes. Your teeth could become loose as the gums pull away from them.

Frequent gum disease/infection
As well as the previous gum symptoms, you may experience more frequent gum disease and/or gum infections.

Sexual dysfunction among men
If you are over 50 and experience frequent or constant sexual dysfunction (erectile dysfunction), it could be a symptom of diabetes.

Numbness or tingling, especially in your feet and hands
If there is too much sugar in your body your nerves could become damaged, as could the tiny blood vessels that feed those nerves. You may experience tingling and/or numbness in your hands and feet.




This post has been edited by greenlife: May 1 2012, 10:53 AM
kevinmdk
post May 1 2012, 10:47 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
220 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
From: ★universe★


Thanks for sharing thumbup.gif
SUSgreenlife
post May 2 2012, 09:09 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
What is insulin?
Insulin is a hormone. It makes our body's cells absorb glucose from the blood. The glucose is stored in the liver and muscle as glycogen and stops the body from using fat as a source of energy.

When there is very little insulin in the blood, or none at all, glucose is not taken up by most body cells. When this happens our body uses fat as a source of energy. Insulin is also a control signal to other body systems, such as amino acid uptake by body cells. Insulin is not identical in all animals - their levels of strength vary.

Porcine insulin, insulin from a pig, is the most similar to human insulin. Humans can receive animal insulin. However, genetic engineering has allowed us to synthetically produce 'human' insulin.

This post has been edited by greenlife: May 2 2012, 09:10 AM
j-insigh
post May 2 2012, 11:33 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
329 posts

Joined: Dec 2008


how about some highlights on Diabetes Insipidus?
edvey
post May 2 2012, 11:43 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
56 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
From: Adam's rib


QUOTE(greenlife @ Apr 30 2012, 04:01 PM)
many unaware they have diabetes very late...
*
so wat happen if discover very late?

will i die if i have diabetes? sorry if sound silly but i cant seem to be brave to understand all diabetes related article now cry.gif cry.gif

and will i suffer like those i saw on k-drama? unsure.gif

anyways i do not feel anything weird with my body,just feel abit thirsty hmm.gif and have to drink alot hmm.gif
hariz.zaki2
post May 3 2012, 02:09 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
98 posts

Joined: Jul 2011
decrease daily sugar intake. Warm plain water for every meal. Eat less rice.

dont trouble ur kids with ur medical problems when u get old.

start a healthy lifestyle NOW.

This post has been edited by hariz.zaki2: May 3 2012, 02:10 AM
uRfaith143
post May 3 2012, 09:03 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
757 posts

Joined: May 2012


QUOTE(edvey @ May 2 2012, 11:43 PM)
so wat happen if discover very late?

will i die if i have diabetes? sorry if sound silly but i cant seem to be brave to understand all diabetes related article now cry.gif cry.gif

and will i suffer like those i saw on k-drama? unsure.gif

anyways i do not feel anything weird with my body,just feel abit thirsty hmm.gif and have to drink alot hmm.gif
*
Most people don't die with Diabetes as the primary reason but on the complications of this disease. you can google the complications. =)
SUSgreenlife
post May 3 2012, 09:36 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
The EVGN/EMVBM Meeting report also provides a putative molecular explanation that may contribute to the outcome of "PROactive", a broad clinical study that very recently demonstrated that pioglitazone significantly reduced the combined risk of heart attacks, strokes and death by 16% in high-risk patients with type 2 diabetes.


edvey
post May 3 2012, 09:49 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
56 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
From: Adam's rib


QUOTE(hariz.zaki2 @ May 3 2012, 02:09 AM)
decrease daily sugar intake. Warm plain water for every meal. Eat less rice.
*
guys can anyone enlighten me on this please

why need to reduce rice intake? what it got to do with the disease?

im not a sweet food person,very seldom craving over cakes/chocs but the more i go through the symptoms the more i feel uncomfortable now unsure.gif
Mr.Docter
post May 3 2012, 09:56 PM

Doctorpreneurs
*******
Senior Member
5,367 posts

Joined: Aug 2009



QUOTE(j-insigh @ May 2 2012, 11:33 PM)
how about some highlights on Diabetes Insipidus?
*
It is absolutely different from Diabetes Mellitus.

Its a medical condition where our body failed to produce an hormone that retain fluid from our body, making us passing water way beyond normal.
edvey
post May 3 2012, 10:37 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
56 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
From: Adam's rib


QUOTE(naznaz95 @ May 3 2012, 10:15 PM)
rice contain glucose....sugar contain glucose = so its the same
*
ahh ok i failed my science class obviously doh.gif

so to cut down rice intake its not easy i guess hmm.gif

what food best to replace this? food that can provide energy to last for half a day at least? hmm.gif
SUSgreenlife
post May 3 2012, 11:31 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
All In One: A Diabetes Drug, An Anticancer Drug And An Antiocclusive Drug

Thiazolidinediones (also called glitazones), drugs used to treat insulin-resistance in patients with type 2 diabetes, inhibit vascular cell proliferation by activating a known cancer suppressor gene: p16. This result, which could lead to the development of selective and non-invasive therapies for post-bypass surgery, was shown today during the Second Annual European Vascular Genomics (EVGN – evgn) Conference.


Zeliard
post May 3 2012, 11:53 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
285 posts

Joined: Sep 2008


No cure for diabetes.
Mr.Docter
post May 4 2012, 01:51 AM

Doctorpreneurs
*******
Senior Member
5,367 posts

Joined: Aug 2009



QUOTE(Zeliard @ May 3 2012, 11:53 PM)
No cure for diabetes.
*
Yerp.

Generally there is no curative treatment for Diabetes Mellitus. Only supportive treatment.
Mr.Docter
post May 4 2012, 04:02 AM

Doctorpreneurs
*******
Senior Member
5,367 posts

Joined: Aug 2009



QUOTE(naznaz95 @ May 3 2012, 10:15 PM)
rice contain glucose....sugar contain glucose = so its the same
*
Rice > carbohydrates > excess > stored as lipid > leading to obesity > cell developed resistant to insulin > Non Insulin Dependent Diabetes Mellitus (NIDDM) a.k.a Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus.

Rice contain complex sugar, it is much branched and different from its monomer - which is glucose.
SUSgreenlife
post May 4 2012, 09:10 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
QUOTE(wildc18 @ May 3 2012, 11:51 PM)
How will you able to figure out that  you have a diabetes...is there any herbal medicines that can cure this illness?  unsure.gif
*
medical journal reports on PPARs

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/288/2/E287.full

Like the role of vitamins in 20th century, PPARs (Peroxisome Proliferators Activated Receptors) will represent the most important biomedical molecules in the 21st century.

PPARγ-mediated insulin sensitization: the importance of fat versus muscle

Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-γ (PPARγ) is a nuclear hormone receptor that functions as a transcriptional regulator in a variety of tissues. PPARγ activation, e.g., through binding of the synthetic glitazones or thiazolidinediones (TZD), results in a marked improvement in type 2 diabetic patients of insulin and glucose parameters resulting from an improvement of whole body insulin sensitivity. The role of different metabolic tissues (fat, skeletal muscle, liver) in mediating PPARγ function in glucose and insulin homeostasis is still unclear. Recently, the function of PPARγ in adipose tissue and skeletal muscle has been intensively characterized by using targeted deletion of PPARγ in those tissues. In those studies, adipose PPARγ has been identified as an essential mediator for the maintainance of whole body insulin sensitivity. Two major mechanisms have been described. 1) Adipose PPARγ protects nonadipose tissue against excessive lipid overload and maintains normal organ function (liver, skeletal muscle); and 2) adipose PPARγ guarantees a balanced and adequate production of secretion from adipose tissue of adipocytokines such as adiponectin and leptin, which are important mediators of insulin action in peripheral tissues. In contrast to studies in adipose-specific PPARγ-deficient mice, the data in muscle-specific PPARγ−/− mice demonstrate that whole body insulin sensitivity is, at least in part, relying on an intact PPARγ system in skeletal muscle. Finally, these early and elegant studies using tissue-specific PPARγ knockout mouse models pinpoint adipose tissue as the major target of TZD-mediated improvement of hyperlipidemia and insulin sensitization.

peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-γ (PPARγ) belongs to the family of PPARs, which also includes the isoforms PPARα and PPARδ. The PPARγ gene gives rise to at least three mRNAs, PPARγ1, PPARγ2, and PPARγ3, that differ at their 5′ end as a consequence of alternate promoter usage and splicing.


danielmattson
post May 4 2012, 09:30 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,001 posts

Joined: May 2012


Its great to read this information. This post is very useful to make people aware with regards to this matter. My dad has this condition and I'm glad that you have explained it here clearly. Thanks smile.gif
SUSgreenlife
post May 4 2012, 09:07 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
QUOTE(danielmattson @ May 4 2012, 09:30 AM)
Its great to read this information. This post is very useful to make people aware with regards to this matter. My dad has this condition and I'm glad that you have explained it here clearly. Thanks smile.gif
*
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/514729
Targeting Insulin Resistance: PPARs, Type 2 Diabetes, and Cardiovascular Risk

Introduction
Insulin resistance (IR) is widely recognized as a core physiologic defect contributing to the development of both type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease (CVD).The majority of individuals with type 2 diabetes are known to be insulin-resistant, and this IR, when coupled with an inadequate pancreatic beta-cell response, results in hyperglycemia.[1] Both clinical and epidemiologic data support the association between IR and an increase in CVD risk. IR is associated with the development of a cluster of characteristic CVD risk factors, including hypertension; an atherogenic dyslipidemia (characterized by low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol [HDL-C], increased triglycerides, and an increase in the prevalence of small, dense low-density lipoprotein [LDL] particles); and a proinflammatory, prothrombotic vascular environment, all of which likely contribute to the increase in CVD risk observed.

Given the accepted role of IR in the pathogenesis of diabetes and CVD, therapies that improve insulin action are used commonly for the management of hyperglycemia in diabetes. Moreover, there is significant interest in diabetes therapies that may limit CVD risk. Specifically, the impact of peroxisome proliferator activating receptor (PPAR)-gamma agonists, such as the thiazolidinediones (TZDs) on both diabetes control and CVD risk, has been widely discussed. These PPAR activators are well known to improve glucose control -- in great part by improving insulin action in the periphery -- and may improve a number of CVD risk factors, including hypertension, dyslipidemia, and the vascular, hemodynamic, and hemostatic abnormalities that are common in those with diabetes.

This post has been edited by greenlife: May 4 2012, 09:20 PM
danielmattson
post May 7 2012, 07:04 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,001 posts

Joined: May 2012


QUOTE(greenlife @ May 4 2012, 09:07 PM)
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/514729
Targeting Insulin Resistance: PPARs, Type 2 Diabetes, and Cardiovascular Risk

Introduction
Insulin resistance (IR) is widely recognized as a core physiologic defect contributing to the development of both type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease (CVD).The majority of individuals with type 2 diabetes are known to be insulin-resistant, and this IR, when coupled with an inadequate pancreatic beta-cell response, results in hyperglycemia.[1] Both clinical and epidemiologic data support the association between IR and an increase in CVD risk. IR is associated with the development of a cluster of characteristic CVD risk factors, including hypertension; an atherogenic dyslipidemia (characterized by low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol [HDL-C], increased triglycerides, and an increase in the prevalence of small, dense low-density lipoprotein [LDL] particles); and a proinflammatory, prothrombotic vascular environment, all of which likely contribute to the increase in CVD risk observed.

Given the accepted role of IR in the pathogenesis of diabetes and CVD, therapies that improve insulin action are used commonly for the management of hyperglycemia in diabetes. Moreover, there is significant interest in diabetes therapies that may limit CVD risk. Specifically, the impact of peroxisome proliferator activating receptor (PPAR)-gamma agonists, such as the thiazolidinediones (TZDs) on both diabetes control and CVD risk, has been widely discussed. These PPAR activators are well known to improve glucose control -- in great part by improving insulin action in the periphery -- and may improve a number of CVD risk factors, including hypertension, dyslipidemia, and the vascular, hemodynamic, and hemostatic abnormalities that are common in those with diabetes.
*
Thanks for more of this info. It really helps.
SUSgreenlife
post May 7 2012, 04:36 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Mar 2012
QUOTE(danielmattson @ May 7 2012, 07:04 AM)
Thanks for more of this info. It really helps.
*
Diabetes is NO MORE Silent Killer, Crypto PPARS
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2261881

this is the impact of peroxisome proliferator activating receptor (PPAR)-gamma agonists, such as the thiazolidinediones (TZDs) on both diabetes control and CVD risk, has been widely discussed...
now can get in this crypto product....
Sky.Live
post May 8 2012, 09:10 AM

Proctected Species
*******
Senior Member
4,390 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
From: Cheras, Malaysia



QUOTE(naznaz95 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:36 PM)
I love candy!!!
*
QUOTE(naznaz95 @ Apr 30 2012, 04:24 PM)
I want to check also if I get diabetes
*
QUOTE(naznaz95 @ Apr 30 2012, 07:30 PM)
I will need more water
*
QUOTE(naznaz95 @ May 1 2012, 11:23 AM)
woo nice
*
QUOTE(naznaz95 @ May 2 2012, 03:17 PM)
I learned that in biology
*
QUOTE(naznaz95 @ May 3 2012, 05:02 PM)
juz drink more water and u got no problem
*
QUOTE(naznaz95 @ May 7 2012, 06:47 PM)
wow nice
*
stop your one liner replies...................
roystevenung
post May 8 2012, 11:10 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,173 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
From: Butterworth, Penang


QUOTE(naznaz95 @ Apr 30 2012, 04:24 PM)
I want to check also if I get diabetes
*
Hi Naznaz95, before you check for diabetes or any other illnesses, always check to make sure that your medical card is having sufficient limit.

Because the next thing you'll need (if the tests are positive) would be treatments/medications. Its like going for a routine car maintenance, but without having the standby cash to pay should the 'mechanic' says that the valve is blocked and it needs major overhauling.
Zeliard
post May 8 2012, 05:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
285 posts

Joined: Sep 2008


Go to any nearest klinik kesihatan. Screening process is Rm1. Subsequent treatment also Rm1. See DR + consultation + medications + blood investigations = Rm1.
SlowCiken
post May 8 2012, 06:52 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
167 posts

Joined: May 2011
QUOTE(edvey @ May 3 2012, 10:37 PM)
ahh ok i failed my science class obviously doh.gif

so to cut down rice intake its not easy i guess hmm.gif

what food best to replace this? food that can provide energy to last for half a day at least? hmm.gif
*
change to protein-base food like chicken, meat, fish

take carb during breakfast and lunch as normal (1 plate i mean for normal)

take only small portion carb during dinner

take ur dinner before 8

do not take any junk food/carbonate drink

and dont forget exercise 30min/3 times/weekly

icon_rolleyes.gif


anggaPra
post May 18 2012, 01:06 PM

[nothing to put here]
*****
Senior Member
990 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
From: PJ

i think i have diabetes la.. i'm going to doctor tonight because i have the symptoms.. like headache after eating carbs or sweet food, urinate frequently and always feels thirsty.. haih i'm not even 18 and i don't usually eat sweet food.. maybe it's genetic sad.gif

edited

i just went to the doctor and he said i'm fine.. my blood glucose level is 5.6(aftermeal) which is normal..i'm maybe allergic to some artificial sweetener that cause the headache and frequent urinating.. so guys if you really show the symptoms you have to go to doctor to confirm whether you are a diabetic or not.. you really can't determine just from reading the symptoms..

This post has been edited by anggaPra: May 18 2012, 03:05 PM
SUSTham
post May 19 2012, 07:30 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007




Diabetes is rising alarmingly in Malaysia, reaching edemic
proportions. Some 18% of the population is diabetic, up
from less than 1% nearly 50 years ago.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...950&sec=central


" .... in 2008 nearly 17% of the general population of Malaysia had diabetes mellitus. "

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/118179.php


This was in 2004 :

" In my previous Editorial, prevalence was noted to be only 0.650% in 1960
and in the early 1980s, 2-4%. We has made much ‘progress’ since then:
surveys in the mid-1990s showed a prevalence of about 8-12% while a
recent report of our study undertaken in 1998 showed a prevalence of
diabetes amongst rural and semi—urban populations of 14.0% (range 7.1%
to 20.3%). We are now six ears since our last survey; it may not be
unreasonable to estimate a current prevalence in the range of 16— 18%.
Assuming just 40% of the population (estimated at 25 million) are 30 years
and above, we should have at least 1.6 million adult diabetics in this country now. "

" Worse still, Type 2 diabetes is seen as no longer a disease of middle or old age
— children as young as 10 years old suffering from diabetes (both Type 1 and
Type 2) are not an uncommon sight nowadays. "


http://myais.fsktm.um.edu.my/6088/


In 2007 :

" I have seen children as young as seven coming in with this type of diabetes.
This was rare five years ago. "

http://www.diabetes.org.my/article.php?aid=152



" 54% of the adult population is either obese or overweight,
compared to only 24.1% 10 years ago. As a result 7 out of 10
Malaysian adults suffer from chronic diseases. "

http://www.consumer.org.my/index.php/healt...s-are-diabetics


" The Chinese must be doing something right as there was only a two
per cent increase from 25.6 per cent to 27.6 per cenI. "

http://www.diabetes.org.my/article.php?aid=941



" There is growing evidence that High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS),
a cheap substitute for sugar used in processed foods and drinks
may facilitate insulin resistance, and eventually lead to Type 2 diabetes. "

http://www.consumer.org.my/index.php/healt...s-are-diabetics



The situation looks even worse in the Arab countries,
especially the UAE. 35% of kids under 14 there are diabetic.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/167962...ates/index.html







SUSTham
post May 19 2012, 07:32 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007


NCDs rising at alarming rate.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/ncds-rising-a...ng-rate-1.83483



roystevenung
post May 19 2012, 08:22 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,173 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
From: Butterworth, Penang


QUOTE(Zeliard @ May 8 2012, 05:18 PM)
Go to any nearest klinik kesihatan. Screening process is Rm1. Subsequent treatment also Rm1. See DR + consultation + medications + blood investigations = Rm1.
*
Hi Zeliard,

The medical card is not only for the diabetes. The point is that medical insurance especially health card needs to be obtained before any illness creeps in. Diabetes is subjected to a 4 month waiting period. But unless there is specific need to go into details on this, I shall not want to turn this thread into insurance thread.

It is also true about what you've mentioned. People who needs long term medication, it is best to get it from KK.

Apologize for the intrusion. notworthy.gif
SUStlts
post Mar 8 2013, 10:23 PM

pee poo pee poo
******
Senior Member
1,891 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
From: Cheras
QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 19 2012, 08:22 AM)
Hi Zeliard,

The medical card is not only for the diabetes. The point is that medical insurance especially health card needs to be obtained before any illness creeps in. Diabetes is subjected to a 4 month waiting period. But unless there is specific need to go into details on this, I shall not want to turn this thread into insurance thread.

It is also true about what you've mentioned. People who needs long term medication, it is best to get it from KK.

Apologize for the intrusion.  notworthy.gif
*
halo

i age 30 can i buy insuran and how much ya

i got diabetis 170cm 53kg sad.gif
stimix
post Mar 9 2013, 01:16 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(tlts @ Mar 8 2013, 10:23 PM)
halo

i age 30 can i buy insuran  and how much ya

i got diabetis 170cm 53kg  sad.gif
*
Once you are confirmed diebetic, no insurer will give you or sell u any medical insurance. There are so many insurance co approached me even when I was in the 20's and after medical checkup and hearing I have diebetic, none of them wanted to give meany medical insurance. Life insurance yes but with loading@&$&@ vmad.gif


stimix
post Mar 9 2013, 01:26 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Since ts no longer active since mid last year, I think I should add another type of diebetic that is less well known I.e type 1.5. Yes it might look like a joke but it's indeed new term since early 90s. Another name is Latent autoimmune diabetes. This mostly on ppl that earlier detected as type 2 but slowly, the oral drugs that they took or even the limited insulin the type 2 can produce slowly getting worse and developing condition like type 1. Read more here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_autoimmune_diabetes

I am probably this type by now. Well need further confirmation and testing by doc for sure haha

danny_sp15
post Mar 10 2013, 12:15 AM

==============
*******
Senior Member
3,045 posts

Joined: Dec 2007
From: Canterlot


QUOTE(tlts @ Mar 8 2013, 10:23 PM)
halo

i age 30 can i buy insuran  and how much ya

i got diabetis 170cm 53kg  sad.gif
*
QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 9 2013, 01:16 PM)
Once you are confirmed diebetic, no insurer will give you or sell u any medical insurance. There are so many insurance co approached me even when I was in the 20's and after medical checkup and hearing I have diebetic, none of them wanted to give meany medical insurance. Life insurance yes but with loading@&$&@  vmad.gif
*
If diabetic, usually offer Life coverage and Accidental Death coverage only, and that also need to pay higher premium than normal people. Critical Illness and Permanent Disability usually declined.

But if overall profile is good, u can appeal for CC or TPD coverage, perhaps can give but with higher premium.
samuraikacang
post Mar 18 2013, 05:20 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 9 2013, 01:26 PM)
Since ts no longer active since mid last year, I think I should add another type of diebetic that is less well known I.e type 1.5.  Yes it might look like a joke but it's indeed new term since early 90s. Another name is Latent autoimmune diabetes.  This mostly on ppl that earlier detected as type 2 but slowly, the oral drugs that they took or even the limited insulin the type 2 can produce slowly getting worse and developing condition like type 1. Read more here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_autoimmune_diabetes

I am probably this type by now. Well need further confirmation and testing by doc for sure haha
*
have you try victoza?
SUStlts
post Mar 18 2013, 05:27 PM

pee poo pee poo
******
Senior Member
1,891 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
From: Cheras
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 18 2013, 05:20 PM)
have you try victoza?
*
this for type 2 diabetis only rite?
samuraikacang
post Mar 18 2013, 05:35 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(tlts @ Mar 18 2013, 05:27 PM)
this for type 2 diabetis only rite?
*
Meant for type 2 treatment but clinical trials show that it helps Type 1 too.
stimix
post Mar 18 2013, 10:48 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 18 2013, 05:20 PM)
have you try victoza?
*
How to try wheni' m on govt hospital prescription. I don't even think they gonna give me levemir which is better than insulataed
stimix
post Mar 18 2013, 11:06 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Darn found out this is not for type 1 and can cause tyroid tumor
http://www.victoza.com/
samuraikacang
post Mar 19 2013, 09:38 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 18 2013, 11:06 PM)
Darn found out this is not for type 1 and can cause tyroid tumor
http://www.victoza.com/
*
Actually the thyroid tumor does happen to diabetes patient regardless of whether taking victoza or not. No conclusive study to show that Victoza actually promotes thyroid tumor. Victoza is design for type 2 but they have done clinical trial for type 1 and its improve BG control and promotes weight loss. the same effect for type 2 patient.

Its off label in malaysia right now and only endocrinologist can prescribe the medicine. I'm on clinical trials by KKM to see the effect of victoza on Malaysia patient. I hope the government of Malaysia can sponsor victoza for patient in Government hospital cause it does help a lot.

My previous hb1ac (in july 2012) was 11 before starting victoza, my current hb1ac is 5.1 (march 2013).

Previously I went to university hospital they prescribe me lantus, doesn't help at all, and lantus promotes weight gain. So I went a get second opinion at Gleneagles. I'm happy with my current weight and current health.

Already stop taking lipitor, micardis, casprin, levemir, diamicron xr, only on victoza 1.8 and metformin 1.5 g.
stimix
post Mar 19 2013, 10:09 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 19 2013, 09:38 AM)
Actually the thyroid tumor does happen to diabetes patient regardless of whether taking victoza or not. No conclusive study to show that Victoza actually promotes thyroid tumor.  Victoza is design for type 2 but they have done clinical trial for type 1 and its improve BG control and promotes weight loss. the same effect for type 2 patient.

Its off label in malaysia right now and only endocrinologist can prescribe the medicine. I'm on clinical trials by KKM to see the effect of victoza on Malaysia patient. I hope the government of Malaysia can sponsor victoza for patient in Government hospital cause it does help a lot.

My previous hb1ac (in july 2012) was 11 before starting victoza, my current hb1ac is 5.1 (march 2013).

Previously I went to university hospital they prescribe me lantus, doesn't help at all, and lantus promotes weight gain. So I went a get second opinion at Gleneagles. I'm happy with my current weight and current health.

Already stop taking lipitor, micardis, casprin, levemir, diamicron xr, only on victoza 1.8 and metformin 1.5 g.
*
Nice result there rclxms.gif congratz.. My previous Hb1ac was also ~ 11 (hehe lost the Blood test liao blush.gif ). Anyway, my FBS reading since I started insulatard since 2 wks ago avg 4.2 to 5.8 depending on what I took the night b4. Super happy with the reading. I never ever dream of reaching this level rclxm9.gif

However once I touch breakfast, my random BS after 2 hrs shoot up to ~ 9 and once I touch lunch, 2hrs later avg ~ 14 and for Dinner, also ~ 14-16. Meaning all the drugs that I took almost useless dy.. (On 1.7g metformin & 320mg dimicron (glicazide)

By this Friday, most probably I will discuss wth my Doctor for another dose of Insulatard (Works wonder to me) on mid Morning after food hmm.gif By then, I probably continue my Metformin at 1.5g and no more dimicron liao hmm.gif
samuraikacang
post Mar 19 2013, 12:27 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 10:09 AM)
Nice result there  rclxms.gif congratz.. My previous Hb1ac was also ~ 11 (hehe lost the Blood test liao  blush.gif ).  Anyway, my FBS reading since I started insulatard since 2 wks ago avg 4.2 to 5.8 depending on what I took the night b4. Super happy with the reading. I never ever dream of reaching this level  rclxm9.gif

However once I touch breakfast, my random BS after 2 hrs shoot up to ~ 9 and once I touch lunch, 2hrs later avg ~ 14 and for Dinner, also ~ 14-16. Meaning all the drugs that I took almost useless dy.. (On 1.7g metformin & 320mg dimicron (glicazide)

By this Friday, most probably I will discuss wth my Doctor for another dose of Insulatard (Works wonder to me) on mid Morning after food  hmm.gif  By then, I probably continue my Metformin at 1.5g and no more dimicron liao  hmm.gif
*
Probably you can ask doctor on whether you can be introduce to Levemir since Levemir doesn't promote weight gain the way Insultard does. Also probably can adjust your diet plan to include more vegetables and less carbohydrate. I did that and my post prandial Blood Glucose would be around 5.5 to 6.1. The highest I hit now is 7.4 if I take more carbo.
stimix
post Mar 19 2013, 12:54 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 19 2013, 12:27 PM)
Probably you can ask doctor on whether you can be introduce to Levemir since Levemir doesn't promote weight gain the way Insultard does. Also probably can adjust your diet plan to include more vegetables and less carbohydrate. I did that and my post prandial Blood Glucose would be around 5.5 to 6.1. The highest I hit now is 7.4 if I take more carbo.
*
Yeah I was thinking of asking the doctor to give me Levemir earlier. However since insulatard works so well on me and beyond my expectation, I don't think to change this night insulin. However I probably asking what Morning insulin that they going to prescribe me.. I don't really like the idea of rapid acting insulin that required me jabbing on each meal doh.gif rclxub.gif

Very nice result you got there...I should have change to insulin years ago..haizzz.. now only thinking after my eye got into complication i.e confirmed glaucoma doh.gif
samuraikacang
post Mar 19 2013, 01:25 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 12:54 PM)
Yeah I was thinking of asking the doctor to give me Levemir earlier. However since insulatard works so well on me and beyond my expectation, I don't think to change this night insulin. However I probably asking what Morning insulin that they going to prescribe me.. I don't really like the idea of rapid acting insulin that required me jabbing on each meal  doh.gif  rclxub.gif

Very nice result you got there...I should have change to insulin years ago..haizzz.. now only thinking after my eye got into complication i.e confirmed glaucoma  doh.gif
*
You can ask doctor about novomix.
stimix
post Mar 19 2013, 02:31 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 19 2013, 01:25 PM)
You can ask doctor about novomix.
*
Hmnn can try but I doubt Govt hospital willing to dispense newer & expensive insulin like levemir biggrin.gif
samuraikacang
post Mar 19 2013, 02:44 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 02:31 PM)
Hmnn can try but I doubt Govt hospital willing to dispense newer & expensive insulin like levemir  biggrin.gif
*
Probably can ask the doctor if they have any sponsorship program supplied by novo nordisk.
darklight79
post Mar 19 2013, 03:40 PM

I'll eat your food
Group Icon
Elite
9,006 posts

Joined: Oct 2005
From: PJ


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 02:31 PM)
Hmnn can try but I doubt Govt hospital willing to dispense newer & expensive insulin like levemir  biggrin.gif
*
We're still using insulatard and actrapid. All basic stuff.
darklight79
post Mar 19 2013, 03:46 PM

I'll eat your food
Group Icon
Elite
9,006 posts

Joined: Oct 2005
From: PJ


Gee. I never knee there were quite a few members with T2DM. I've had a patient came in with severe MI but was detected way late. High cardiac tissue death. His cardiac enzymes were elevated. He wasn't aware DM masks the symptoms of myocardial infarction. Chest pain in this case was a very late sign. Too bad he passed away soon after.
stimix
post Mar 19 2013, 05:06 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(darklight79 @ Mar 19 2013, 03:40 PM)
We're still using insulatard and actrapid. All basic stuff.
*
Basic but if works no problem. Instead of rapid insulin, I'm thinking asking the Doc to give me additional Morning insulatard too. Is this OK? Right now on 8 ut of night insulatard and FBS ranging from 4.2 to 6. However 2 hrs after light breakfast, avg BS=9 and 2 hrs after lunch ~ 14 & 2 hrs after Dinner from 13-16. Taking 1700mg Metformin slow release (Morning & nite) + Glicazide 320gm (max dose) Morning & Nite now.
darklight79
post Mar 19 2013, 10:53 PM

I'll eat your food
Group Icon
Elite
9,006 posts

Joined: Oct 2005
From: PJ


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 05:06 PM)
Basic but if works no problem. Instead of rapid insulin, I'm thinking asking the Doc to give me additional Morning insulatard too. Is this OK? Right now on 8 ut of night insulatard and FBS ranging from 4.2 to 6. However 2 hrs after light breakfast, avg BS=9 and 2 hrs after lunch ~ 14 & 2 hrs after Dinner from 13-16. Taking 1700mg Metformin slow release (Morning & nite) + Glicazide 320gm (max dose) Morning & Nite now.
*
Wei... no. Insulatard is slow acting. It's supposed to last through the night. Which means it's still working WHILE you take the other tds doses of Actrapid. It's gonna screw with your blood sugar and you don't want a hypoglycaemic attack. If you're already on Actrapid, you might need to adjust the dosage. How's your HbA1c?
stimix
post Mar 19 2013, 11:01 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Not yetonactrapid. Still on the above drugs i mentioned earlier. Trying to reuce oral drugsandgoing onminsulin. I try not to takeactrapid. Troublesome esp every meal also need to jab
darklight79
post Mar 19 2013, 11:18 PM

I'll eat your food
Group Icon
Elite
9,006 posts

Joined: Oct 2005
From: PJ


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 11:01 PM)
Not yetonactrapid. Still on the above drugs i mentioned earlier. Trying to reuce oral drugsandgoing onminsulin. I try not to takeactrapid. Troublesome esp every meal also need to jab
*
Yeah... but prob is... OHA isn't really doing much for your blood sugar man. sad.gif Have you combined it with lifestyle control also?
stimix
post Mar 20 2013, 07:18 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(darklight79 @ Mar 19 2013, 11:18 PM)
Yeah... but prob is... OHA isn't really doing much for your blood sugar man. sad.gif Have you combined it with lifestyle control also?
*
Have to admit my exercise getting leser nowadays. Only weekend 15km cycling & 2-3 days once light exercise b4 dinner.. My diet is the same year in year out but not really carb less diet blush.gif ..Lunch time..normal normal hawker wantan mee/ kueh teow soup or even 3/4 rice chapfan. but I love eating fruits after each meal.. normally a pc of guava after lunch & apple/ pear after dinner. For dinner, I normally take brown rice .
vmagnum
post Mar 20 2013, 09:48 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Feb 2013


My late grandfather has diabetes, and this is a reminder to me, I think..or not?
battosai
post Mar 20 2013, 10:40 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
37 posts

Joined: Mar 2013


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 19 2013, 10:09 AM)
Nice result there  rclxms.gif congratz.. My previous Hb1ac was also ~ 11 (hehe lost the Blood test liao  blush.gif ).  Anyway, my FBS reading since I started insulatard since 2 wks ago avg 4.2 to 5.8 depending on what I took the night b4. Super happy with the reading. I never ever dream of reaching this level  rclxm9.gif

However once I touch breakfast, my random BS after 2 hrs shoot up to ~ 9 and once I touch lunch, 2hrs later avg ~ 14 and for Dinner, also ~ 14-16. Meaning all the drugs that I took almost useless dy.. (On 1.7g metformin & 320mg dimicron (glicazide)

By this Friday, most probably I will discuss wth my Doctor for another dose of Insulatard (Works wonder to me) on mid Morning after food  hmm.gif  By then, I probably continue my Metformin at 1.5g and no more dimicron liao  hmm.gif
*
wah u use 1.5g oni ar
gov klinik give me 500mg must eat 4 tablet every day

btw i type 1 diabetic
stimix
post Mar 20 2013, 10:58 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(battosai @ Mar 20 2013, 10:40 PM)
wah u use 1.5g oni ar
gov klinik give me 500mg  must eat 4 tablet every day

btw i type 1 diabetic
*
I can't take >1500mg/day otherwise sure lousai blush.gif very sever stomachache ...Hmnnn type 1 mostly insulin why u on metformin?
battosai
post Mar 20 2013, 11:29 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
37 posts

Joined: Mar 2013


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 20 2013, 10:58 PM)
I can't take >1500mg/day otherwise sure lousai  blush.gif very sever stomachache ...Hmnnn type 1 mostly insulin why u on metformin?
*
docter give i take lor she say try 1 week 1st next week gonna meet her again for some test
SUSTham
post Mar 21 2013, 04:46 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007
The BCG vaccine reverses Type 1.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%...al.pone.0041756



Denise Faustman has her own site.

http://www.faustmanlab.org/





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 21 2013, 04:51 AM
stimix
post Mar 21 2013, 07:18 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(battosai @ Mar 20 2013, 11:29 PM)
docter give i take lor she say try 1 week 1st next week gonna meet her again for some test
*
Hmnn probably you 1st time detected? and thus the Doc trying 1st on medicine to test whether working on you kua?
battosai
post Mar 21 2013, 10:14 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
37 posts

Joined: Mar 2013


yup 1st time detect haiz
samuraikacang
post Mar 21 2013, 10:21 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(battosai @ Mar 21 2013, 10:14 AM)
yup 1st time detect haiz
*
If you type 1 diabetes, doctor should start you on the insulin right? since type1 diabetes is lack of insulin


btw I'm meeting the doctor today, let me see if I can ask is there any sponsorship program or clinical trial that can include outside patient.

I believe losing weight is the best and only way to control your diabetes.
battosai
post Mar 21 2013, 10:22 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
37 posts

Joined: Mar 2013


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 21 2013, 10:21 AM)
If you type 1 diabetes, doctor should start you on the insulin right? since type1 diabetes is lack of insulin
btw I'm meeting the doctor today, let me see if I can ask is there any sponsorship program or clinical trial that can include outside patient.

I believe losing weight is the best and only way to control your diabetes.
*
i type 2 ler

felling really tired shi@t this sickness cry.gif or malas not sure

This post has been edited by battosai: Mar 21 2013, 10:23 AM
samuraikacang
post Mar 21 2013, 10:28 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(battosai @ Mar 21 2013, 10:22 AM)
i type 2 ler

felling really tired shi@t this sickness  cry.gif  or malas not sure
*
How old are you?

I read your first posting, you wrote type 1 hehe.

I got type 2 when I was 23 back in 2003 now already 10 years and Alhamdulillah improving. I also have ups and down. I was hospital in 2007 for having neglected to take any medication and was diagnose with bacteria infection (cellulitis) which stiffen the joints.

in 2012, I made up my mind to start control the disease.
samuraikacang
post Mar 21 2013, 02:17 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 21 2013, 07:18 AM)
Hmnn probably you 1st time detected? and thus the Doc trying 1st on medicine to test whether working on you kua?
*
My doctor you may want to refer yourself to hukm. They supply levemir. Get a gp to refer u to hukm
stimix
post Mar 21 2013, 02:22 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 21 2013, 02:17 PM)
My doctor you may want to refer yourself to hukm. They supply levemir. Get a gp to refer u to hukm
*
HUKM too far from me-lah.. Puchong to Cheras...no way man biggrin.gif ..Atleast University Hospital still near. Anyway, HUKM similar to University is not Govt but semi. So the charges are not cheap. University Hospital per visit - GP - RM5 & Specialist = RM15 and drugs - 1 mth supply -RM20 and if special drugs - RM50/mth....Well, Total still cheaper than private but not free for sure blush.gif biggrin.gif
samuraikacang
post Mar 21 2013, 04:24 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 21 2013, 02:22 PM)
HUKM too far from me-lah.. Puchong to Cheras...no way man  biggrin.gif ..Atleast University Hospital still near. Anyway, HUKM similar to University is not Govt but semi. So the charges are not cheap. University Hospital per visit - GP - RM5 & Specialist = RM15 and drugs - 1 mth supply -RM20 and if special drugs - RM50/mth....Well, Total still cheaper than private but not free for sure  blush.gif  biggrin.gif
*
Yeah. Since University Hospital is not funded by KKM.

By the way my visit with the doctor just now conclude with the reduction of my victoza to 1.2 from 1.8 unit dos and 1 g of glucophage from previously 1.5 g. he said that my body right now is in non diabetic since my hba1c is on normal area. 5.0. Need to keep exercising and watch my diet.
stimix
post Mar 21 2013, 04:58 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 21 2013, 04:24 PM)
Yeah. Since University Hospital is not funded by KKM.

By the way my visit with the doctor just now conclude with the reduction of my victoza to 1.2 from 1.8 unit dos and 1 g of glucophage from previously 1.5 g. he said that my body right now is in non diabetic since my hba1c is on normal area. 5.0. Need to keep exercising and watch my diet.
*
Damn jealous cry.gif ..Anyway congratz for such a good result... I am dreaming of getting this
samuraikacang
post Mar 21 2013, 05:01 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 21 2013, 04:58 PM)
Damn jealous  cry.gif ..Anyway congratz for such a good result... I am dreaming of getting this
*
man man la. need to exercise regularly and watch diet. dont eat fried wantan too much.
SUSTham
post Mar 21 2013, 11:18 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007




Pterocarpus marsupium, the Indian Kino tree, is apparently the only herb shown
to be capable of regenerating the islet cells in the pancreas.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterocarpus_marsupium

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2275761/


http://www.encognitive.com/files/Role%20of...0A%20Review.pdf


http://www.ijcsr.co.in/Documents/Volumes/V...20110102(4).pdf








stimix
post Mar 22 2013, 11:01 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 21 2013, 05:01 PM)
man man la. need to exercise regularly and watch diet. dont eat fried wantan too much.
*
Just came back from govt clinic. After looking at my random bs, agreed that I'm more on type 1 now furthermore since 18 yrs old. She maintained my night insulatard 8 ut and actrapid every meal also at 8 ut each. She stopped me on glicazide but maintaining my 1500mg metformin

My hba1c result last wk was 9.7% Hope to reduce to 6.5 in nxt 2-3mth

Oh btw, reason she maintained the metformin is for the purpose of reducing cancer risk of diebetic as according to her, new studies show that metformin can reduce the risk of cancer...hmnnnn

This post has been edited by stimix: Mar 22 2013, 02:03 PM
samuraikacang
post Mar 22 2013, 08:45 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 22 2013, 11:01 AM)
Just came back from govt clinic. After looking at my random bs, agreed that I'm more on type 1 now furthermore since 18 yrs old. She maintained my night insulatard 8 ut and actrapid every meal also at 8 ut each. She stopped me on glicazide but maintaining my 1500mg metformin

My hba1c result last wk was 9.7% Hope to reduce to 6.5 in nxt 2-3mth

Oh btw, reason she maintained the metformin is for the purpose of reducing cancer risk of diebetic as according to her, new studies show that metformin can reduce the risk of cancer...hmnnnn
*
wow a government doctor who actually reads medical journal.

yeah recently studies shown that metformin reduce the risk of cancer and metformin actually helps in suppressing your appetite

stimix
post Mar 23 2013, 08:43 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Ok 1st day report card after the doc prescribed me both intermediate & short acting insulin yesterday.

Well, yesterday was Abit yo yo. B4 came back home, I hv taken my last glicazide 160mg just b4 my late breakfast ~9:50am. After breakfast and reached home, I started jabbing 4 ut of actrapid just to stabilized my bs level. During lunch, I took 6 ut. ( my actual prescribed ut is 8 ut) the bad thing was by 4.30 pm I started to sweat even though inside aircon environment and the time I reached home ~ 6pm, I checked my bs and the reading was 4.2. To avoid hunger, I actually took the leftover popcorn b4 I jabbed only 6 ut + 750mg metformin. My dinner was heavy with normal rice + pear & mango. And 9pm my reading was 11.2 damnit mad.gif lucky this morning my reading was 5.2.

Now strictly following doc's prescription. Hopefully getting better although my breakfast just now now really healthy. 3 slices of White bread!
samuraikacang
post Mar 24 2013, 12:32 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 23 2013, 08:43 AM)
Ok 1st day report card after the doc prescribed me both intermediate & short acting insulin yesterday.

Well, yesterday was Abit yo yo. B4 came back home, I hv taken my last glicazide 160mg just b4 my late breakfast ~9:50am. After breakfast and reached home, I started jabbing 4 ut of actrapid just to stabilized my bs level. During lunch, I took 6 ut. ( my actual prescribed ut is 8 ut) the bad thing was by 4.30 pm I started to sweat even though inside aircon environment and the time I reached home ~ 6pm, I checked my bs and the reading was 4.2. To avoid hunger, I actually took the leftover popcorn b4 I jabbed only 6 ut + 750mg metformin. My dinner was heavy with normal rice + pear & mango. And 9pm my reading was 11.2 damnit  mad.gif  lucky this morning my reading was 5.2.

Now strictly following doc's prescription. Hopefully getting better although my breakfast just now now really healthy. 3 slices of White bread!
*
substitute white bread with Gardenia Breakthru. Did wonder to my bloodsugar when I was on Carbohydrate.
stimix
post Mar 24 2013, 07:24 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 24 2013, 12:32 AM)
substitute white bread with Gardenia Breakthru. Did wonder to my bloodsugar when I was on Carbohydrate.
*
Surprisingly ok bcos my ytay 2hr after that 3 slices of white bread=5.1 anyway my normal bread massimo wheat germ haha. Last wk can't find massimo so got gardenia white only blush.gif

Ytay lunch was bad. Full of carbo ninja joe porky rice set. So 2 hr after lunch result -8.6 and dinner also carbo rich hokien mee but surprisingly result was good at 5.7. With the last basal insulin jab during mid nite, my fsb moment ago stabilized at 5.6

Ok just taken a slice of bread for my 15km bike ride after this post
samuraikacang
post Mar 24 2013, 06:00 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


good postprandial blood glucose.

I just had laksa and ais kacang. blood sugar at 7.5 after 1 hr.

My Endocrinologist said the best time to check blood glucose is after 30 minutes to 1 hour of taking simple carbohydrate like rice, bread, sweet drinks.
stimix
post Mar 24 2013, 09:02 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Phew. My worse experience of hypo this afternoon. After my last posting, took 1 slice of bread and went for 16km bicycle ride and thereafter continue washing my car b4 jabbing 8 ut of actrapid and 2 slices of breads.

Went to the curve ~11 am and by 12pm, I started sweating inside cool aircon environment and by 12.15pm, hand shaking and feel hunger. Lucky found the fruitl stall nearby and just ate a pc of papaya...only feeling Abit better 15min later b4 looking for my lunch. Yet to check my bs level till now hehe.

In future, if I went for bike ride, I should hv reduced 2 ut of insulin. Scary

This post has been edited by stimix: Mar 25 2013, 11:32 AM
samuraikacang
post Mar 25 2013, 11:03 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


Or bring some snack with you. One bottle of 250ml milo can help with hypoglycemia.
stimix
post Mar 25 2013, 11:38 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Mar 25 2013, 11:03 AM)
Or bring some snack with you. One bottle of 250ml milo can help with hypoglycemia.
*
Yeah...Should start keeping stock of sweet/ glucose tablet liao.. blush.gif - Yesterday 2 hrs after dinner result - 6.4 (Wantan mee + apple & mango for dessert) and this Morning 6.3...hmnnnnn.. sad.gif ...really funny result.. Expecting <6 this Morning wth the result a night earlier rclxub.gif

This post has been edited by stimix: Mar 25 2013, 11:40 AM
samuraikacang
post Mar 25 2013, 12:05 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 25 2013, 11:38 AM)
Yeah...Should start keeping stock of sweet/ glucose tablet liao.. blush.gif  - Yesterday 2 hrs after dinner result - 6.4 (Wantan mee + apple & mango for dessert) and this Morning 6.3...hmnnnnn..  sad.gif ...really funny result.. Expecting <6 this Morning wth the result a night earlier  rclxub.gif
*
Usually the morning will depend on what you eat and did last night.

not enough sleep/ less quality sleep will bring the sugar high. stress also contribute to high sugar.

This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Mar 25 2013, 12:05 PM
PPARS88
post Mar 26 2013, 10:08 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Mar 2013
we found the root cause of all human suffering: DISEASE!

stimix
post Mar 29 2013, 10:46 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



After a week on 100% insulin jab i.e 8 ut Insulatard b4 bed and 8ut of Actrapid on every meals during day time.. My results seems to be yoyo doh.gif rclxub.gif Certain days..I'm getting good result of ~ 4.8-5.6 FSB and also reasonable 2hrs BS reading of ~ 6.8 to 8.8

But during last week, I got 2 incident of Hypo..i.e last Sunday afternoon as mentioned earlier and 2 nights ago when I woke up middle of the night and feeling so cold & hand shaking. I straight away took the reading and it was 3.9! And on certain day..my random hrs after meals reading wer horrible..ranging from 11 to the high of 18 damn rclxub.gif

I suspect all those high readings were due to the timing I took the reading & also more carbo food I took..for eg.. the reading of 18 was ~ 3.5hrs after lunch and ~4 hrs after insulin. and I took one big canto fried ying yong that day rclxub.gif

Hopefully my 2nd week will be better as I started increasing to 9 ut MYSELF from Today brows.gif
samuraikacang
post Mar 29 2013, 11:00 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


Medical journal on incretin type drug i.e victoza.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/conte...7d-651738e22e43

summary: finding show potential of tumor arising from the usage of incretin type medication

anyone using victoza, byetta or anything incretin should discuss with your doctor.
samuraikacang
post Apr 4 2013, 04:12 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


I stop using Victoza since two weeks ago. No changes in appetite, blood sugar or weight.
stimix
post Apr 7 2013, 05:15 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Apr 4 2013, 04:12 PM)
I stop using Victoza since two weeks ago. No changes in appetite, blood sugar or weight.
*
Hmnnn Why? I thought you are on clinical trial hmm.gif .So now you on what drugs since u said everything OK?

BTW, I visited my Doc on last Friday. She asked me to maintain my day insulin at 8 ut instead of 9 that I administered myself blush.gif .. My reason, certain time esp breakfast & Lunch result >8 and few times >10. but there are many occasions of result below 5 too and she told me she rather me to be ~ 6-8 rather than below 5!...so go back to 8ut blush.gif
samuraikacang
post Apr 8 2013, 12:44 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Apr 7 2013, 05:15 PM)
Hmnnn Why? I thought you are on clinical trial  hmm.gif .So now you on what drugs since u said everything OK?

BTW, I visited my Doc on last Friday. She asked me to maintain my  day insulin at 8 ut instead of 9 that I administered myself  blush.gif .. My reason, certain time esp breakfast & Lunch result >8 and few times >10. but there are many occasions of result below 5 too and she told me she rather me to be ~ 6-8 rather than below 5!...so go back to 8ut  blush.gif
*
just on metformin 750mg. morning results between 4.8 - 5.2 and after food between 6.4 - 7.5
stimix
post Apr 8 2013, 07:18 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Apr 8 2013, 12:44 AM)
just on metformin 750mg. morning results between 4.8 - 5.2 and after food between 6.4 - 7.5
*
Wah.. Your diebetic probably still in infancy..Metformin totally failed me years ago before I added in - glicamide & thereafter to Glicazide smile.gif

However I still on metformin bcos the Doc said it is a cancer prevention drug rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by stimix: Apr 8 2013, 07:19 AM
samuraikacang
post Apr 8 2013, 09:15 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Apr 8 2013, 07:18 AM)
Wah.. Your diebetic probably still in infancy..Metformin totally failed me years ago before I added in - glicamide & thereafter to Glicazide  smile.gif

However I still on metformin bcos the Doc said it is a cancer prevention drug  rclxms.gif
*
I had diabetes since 2003 so basically 10 years already. Doctor said since I'm losing weight the condition has reversed. Currently the body no longer diabetic. Technically they said (i have two doctors on my diabetic) cure but since diabetes has no cure they just remind me to keep up whatever i did with the diet and exercise.
stimix
post Apr 8 2013, 02:21 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Apr 8 2013, 09:15 AM)
I had diabetes since 2003 so basically 10 years already. Doctor said since I'm losing weight the condition has reversed. Currently the body no longer diabetic. Technically they said (i have two doctors on my diabetic) cure but since diabetes has no cure they just remind me to keep up whatever i did with the diet and exercise.
*
So nice of you and most probably you're confirmed type 2 with obesity and now going normal weight already? For me.. > 20 yrs ago. and my weight is also lesser than what I initially weighted when 1st diagnosed. I was 76kg and now avg 68kg. However far from the reading when I managed to reduced my weight to 58kg within 2 yrs after 1st diagnosed blush.gif doh.gif

However at current lifestyle not easy although possible to go back to 58kg blush.gif - At this 58kg.. my reading avg 6-8 only for fasting compare to b4 insulin of 11-12. Atleast with insulin, I am maintaining my reading of 5-8 right now rclxms.gif
samuraikacang
post Apr 8 2013, 08:25 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


for elder people, diabetes is a progressive disease. my dad also have diabetes, he is 65 yo. so having a blood sugar at 8 in the morning is already good.

my case is different since i'm a young diabetic.
stimix
post Apr 9 2013, 07:30 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Apr 8 2013, 08:25 PM)
for elder people, diabetes is a progressive disease. my dad also have diabetes, he is 65 yo. so having a blood sugar at 8 in the morning is already good.

my case is different since i'm a young diabetic.
*
I'm still young mah (At heart too brows.gif ) just mid 40. so my target is getting below 7 most of the time..so if result showing >7.. really frustrated lor sad.gif Yesterday result was good & so do this Morning. No more going below 5 for the past few days. Yesterday on brown rice dinner + 1 pear & apple for dessert. Got 6.4 after 2 hrs and this Morning -6 rclxms.gif ..During weekend abit yoyo (6.9 to 10.8) bcos, took hokkien mee for dinner & lotsa junk blush.gif

This post has been edited by stimix: Apr 9 2013, 07:33 AM
samuraikacang
post Apr 9 2013, 09:30 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Apr 9 2013, 07:30 AM)
I'm still young mah (At heart too  brows.gif ) just mid 40. so my target is getting below 7 most of the time..so if result showing >7.. really frustrated lor  sad.gif  Yesterday result was good & so do this Morning. No more going below 5 for the past few days. Yesterday on brown rice dinner + 1 pear & apple for dessert. Got 6.4 after 2 hrs and this Morning -6  rclxms.gif ..During weekend abit yoyo (6.9 to 10.8) bcos, took hokkien mee for dinner & lotsa junk  blush.gif
*
then you already know which food will help which food dont help hehe
stimix
post Apr 9 2013, 09:52 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Apr 9 2013, 09:30 AM)
then you already know which food will help which food dont help hehe
*
Still not perfect yet and costing me atleast RM84/mth for the OneTouch test strip to monitor atleast twice a day. Prior to insulin, I only monitor once a week!! and mostly neglect and naïve about the food I took.. blush.gif There are few things I found:

- I can't take 1 bowl of rice anymore. By just cutting down to 1/2 or 3/4 bowl of rice for each meal, my result after 2 hrs will be perfect at 5.5- 6.8. If I took 1 full bowl - the result is about 8-9 sad.gif

- Apples & pears are 2 best fruits that will not increase my blood sugar compare to mango, guava, oranges, banana (2nd worse) & grapes (Worse)..I have yet to try durian/rambutan/langsat/longan yet blush.gif biggrin.gif

- Contrary to my earlier belief of taking so called hi-fibre biscuits as normal breakfast, This is not a good option as just 3 pc of Jacob hi-fibre crackers & another 3 of Hwatai vege coated cream cracker also can resulted in avg 8.8-9,5 reading after 2 hrs. Later on I found out avg biscuit having Carbo reading of >65gm for every 100gm of meal...bad actually..

From my research, it's best taking food wth glycaemic reading of below 55 and also carbo level of below 60gm for every 100gm.. and with that, I started taking only hi-fibre wholemeal bread /wheat germ bread for a start...with avg 48gm per 100gm of carbo. Maybe will continue with something I hate most- OATs!! blush.gif


samuraikacang
post Apr 15 2013, 01:52 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


I'm going to experiment with Sweet Potato see if it going to rise the BS after taking it.
Jo C
post Apr 25 2013, 09:33 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
55 posts

Joined: Apr 2013
You can manage ur diabetes with proper nutrition. Insulin injection wil usually control it to a certain period of time n then it gets worse n u hv to inject more n more n more till its uncontrollable. then ur organs starts to fail one after another. beware!
samuraikacang
post Apr 25 2013, 09:51 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(Jo C @ Apr 25 2013, 09:33 AM)
You can manage ur diabetes with proper nutrition. Insulin injection wil usually control it to a certain period of time n then it gets worse n u hv to inject more n more n more till its uncontrollable. then ur organs starts to fail one after another. beware!
*
that only true for people with working pancreas. they can control diabetes with proper nutrition and exercise like me but elderly people and people with type 1 whose pancreas not producing insulin have no choice but to take insulin. the notion of insulin promotes organ failures is baseless and unfounded. Organ failures happen when you don't managed your diabetes.
Jo C
post Apr 25 2013, 05:14 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
55 posts

Joined: Apr 2013
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Apr 25 2013, 09:51 AM)
that only true for people with working pancreas. they can control diabetes with proper nutrition and exercise like me but elderly people and people with type 1 whose pancreas not producing insulin have no choice but to take insulin. the notion of insulin promotes organ failures is baseless and unfounded. Organ failures happen when you don't managed your diabetes.
*
why do ppl with workin pancreas who can produce insulin but somehow the body is not sensitive to insulin yet stil hv to take more insulin?
samuraikacang
post Apr 25 2013, 05:36 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(Jo C @ Apr 25 2013, 05:14 PM)
why do ppl with workin pancreas who can produce insulin but somehow the body is not sensitive to insulin yet stil hv to take more insulin?
*
most of this particular type are obese. when you are obese insulin resistance increase.
stimix
post Apr 25 2013, 10:01 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/0...tes-type-2.html

QUOTE
"People have been debating the question of whether there are adverse consequences to long-term insulin use for years," said principal investigator Dr. Hertzel Gerstein, a professor of medicine at McMaster University. "This study provides the clearest answer yet to that question: No, there are not."

PPARS88
post Apr 26 2013, 10:34 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Mar 2013
New Target for Treating Diabetes and Obesity
PPARs (peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/...20802150435.htm
samuraikacang
post May 21 2013, 09:58 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


just receive my hb1ac result. 5.3%
SUSmechanicalKB
post May 21 2013, 10:00 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
577 posts

Joined: Apr 2012
People with diabetes are thin or fat? Have you ever met someone who is diabetic but is very very thin? Why if yes you have?
samuraikacang
post May 21 2013, 10:04 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ May 21 2013, 10:00 PM)
People with diabetes are thin or fat? Have you ever met someone who is diabetic but is very very thin? Why if yes you have?
*
those with type 1 are result of auto immune problem and lack of insulin. so basically they can be either thin or fat. young type 2 tend to be obese (like myself previously) and older type 2 can be either thin or fat like my late mom and some of my friends. but usually they are above the age of 40's when diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
SUSmechanicalKB
post May 21 2013, 10:07 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
577 posts

Joined: Apr 2012
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ May 21 2013, 10:04 PM)
those with type 1 are result of auto immune problem and lack of insulin. so basically they can be either thin or fat. young type 2 tend to be obese (like myself previously) and older type 2 can be either thin or fat like my late mom and some of my friends. but usually they are above the age of 40's when diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
*
So those with D type 2 can be thin? Why are they thin and why are some fat? You mean that body weight has nothing or no symptom effect / no relation?

I have seen some very very thin - lost a lot of weight from their original self. Also, I have seen many with swollen legs, why ah?
SUSslimey
post May 21 2013, 11:39 PM


*******
Senior Member
6,914 posts

Joined: Apr 2007
QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ May 21 2013, 10:07 PM)
So those with D type 2 can be thin? Why are they thin and why are some fat? You mean that body weight has nothing or no symptom effect / no relation?

I have seen some very very thin - lost a lot of weight from their original self. Also, I have seen many with swollen legs, why ah?
*
initially they can be fat. fat do reduce the sensitivity to insulin, thus may result in diabetes mellitus type 2.

as the disease progress, with poor control of the disease by medication or in the absence of medication, the body uses more and more energy from non-glucose source, from fats primarily, resulting in weight loss. if the weight loss is severe enough, the patient becomes thin.

swollen legs have many reasons, may or may not have relation with diabetes.
common reasons of swollen legs could be pregnancy, heart failure, varicose disease, lymph stasis....
SUSmechanicalKB
post May 22 2013, 12:08 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
577 posts

Joined: Apr 2012
QUOTE(slimey @ May 21 2013, 11:39 PM)
initially they can be fat. fat do reduce the sensitivity to insulin, thus may result in diabetes mellitus type 2.

as the disease progress, with poor control of the disease by medication or in the absence of medication, the body uses more and more energy from non-glucose source, from fats primarily, resulting in weight loss. if the weight loss is severe enough, the patient becomes thin.

swollen legs have many reasons, may or may not have relation with diabetes.
common reasons of swollen legs could be pregnancy, heart failure, varicose disease, lymph stasis....
*
rclxms.gif notworthy.gif
samuraikacang
post May 22 2013, 09:22 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(slimey @ May 21 2013, 11:39 PM)
initially they can be fat. fat do reduce the sensitivity to insulin, thus may result in diabetes mellitus type 2.

as the disease progress, with poor control of the disease by medication or in the absence of medication, the body uses more and more energy from non-glucose source, from fats primarily, resulting in weight loss. if the weight loss is severe enough, the patient becomes thin.

swollen legs have many reasons, may or may not have relation with diabetes.
common reasons of swollen legs could be pregnancy, heart failure, varicose disease, lymph stasis....
*
and also kidney failure which usually resulted from poor control of diabetes.

since the body can no longer store the glucose due to insulin insensitivity, glucose is pass through urine thus overburden the kidney. Since the glucose can't be stored any more, a poorly control patient will lost his or her body weight overtime.
stimix
post Jun 2 2013, 10:19 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ May 21 2013, 09:58 PM)
just receive my hb1ac result. 5.3%
*
darm good better than normal ppl without diebetes of below 6.1%. My latest HBa1C = 7.2%.. Well, at this rate I'm already satisfied because when I started on Insulin, my reading was ~9.7% and ~2 yrs ago it was >11% rclxms.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 3 2013, 09:35 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 2 2013, 10:19 PM)
darm good better than normal ppl without diebetes of below 6.1%. My latest HBa1C = 7.2%.. Well, at this rate I'm already satisfied because when I started on Insulin, my reading was ~9.7% and ~2 yrs ago it was >11%  rclxms.gif
*
I'm going to do Glucose Tolerance Test this coming Saturday. Doctor wants to confirm that diabetes is no longer there.
Jammies0213
post Jun 3 2013, 02:55 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: May 2013
QUOTE(j-insigh @ May 2 2012, 11:33 PM)
how about some highlights on Diabetes Insipidus?
*
Diabetes Insipidus does not have an effect on glucose metabolism. It is called diabetes only because it has the same symptom, that is excessive urination.
stimix
post Jun 3 2013, 08:33 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 3 2013, 09:35 AM)
I'm going to do Glucose Tolerance Test this coming Saturday. Doctor wants to confirm that diabetes is no longer there.
*
Huh, diabetes where can cure want..
SUSslimey
post Jun 3 2013, 08:52 PM


*******
Senior Member
6,914 posts

Joined: Apr 2007
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 3 2013, 09:35 AM)
I'm going to do Glucose Tolerance Test this coming Saturday. Doctor wants to confirm that diabetes is no longer there.
*
change your doctor
samuraikacang
post Jun 4 2013, 08:19 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 3 2013, 08:52 PM)
change your doctor
*
you might want to read more medical journal.

QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 3 2013, 08:33 PM)
Huh, diabetes where can cure want..
*
its not cure but can keep it under control. basically im still diabetic but i dont need anymore medicine if the pancreas can produce enough insulin. besides i have to stay on diabetic diet for the rest of my life.

my current blood glucose and cholesterol is even better than non diabetic.

This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Jun 4 2013, 08:21 AM
samuraikacang
post Jun 6 2013, 10:24 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 3 2013, 08:33 PM)
Huh, diabetes where can cure want..
*
Good article to read on Reversing Type 2.

http://diabetes.webmd.com/features/reversing-type-2-diabetes

stimix
post Jun 6 2013, 10:38 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 4 2013, 08:19 AM)
its not cure but can keep it under control. basically im still diabetic but i dont need anymore medicine if the pancreas can produce enough insulin. besides i have to stay on diabetic diet for the rest of my life.

my current blood glucose and cholesterol is even better than non diabetic.
*
OK-lah. if you mean type 2 control via strict diet smile.gif because you sounded like a cure earlier biggrin.gif Anyway, it's good to conduct another GTT although I doubt so bcos if your insulin factory already weak & with lack of insulin, if you drink that glucose scrup during GTT, I think the result after 1st, 2nd & 3rd hours will be on diebetic side too. Not because of your strict diet but more like not enough insulin to control the sudden surge in the glucose scrup during GTT hmm.gif
DT1
post Jun 6 2013, 11:17 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,186 posts

Joined: Jun 2012
Might wanna give this a try?

http://biotrust.com/labels/ic5-label.html
samuraikacang
post Jun 6 2013, 12:10 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 6 2013, 10:38 AM)
OK-lah. if you mean type 2 control via strict diet  smile.gif  because you sounded like a cure earlier  biggrin.gif Anyway, it's good to conduct another GTT although I doubt so bcos if your insulin factory already weak & with lack of insulin, if you drink that glucose scrup during GTT, I think the result after 1st, 2nd & 3rd hours will be on diebetic side too. Not because of your strict diet but more like not enough insulin to control the sudden surge in the glucose scrup during GTT  hmm.gif
*
I will share the result later this weekend.
LoveMeNot
post Jun 7 2013, 08:32 AM

Live . Laugh . Love
******
Senior Member
1,710 posts

Joined: Nov 2006


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 3 2013, 09:35 AM)
I'm going to do Glucose Tolerance Test this coming Saturday. Doctor wants to confirm that diabetes is no longer there.
*
hmm....I didn't know diabetes can be cured hmm.gif . Prolly the correct term to be used is is under control with proper diet and lifestyle.

I think your insulin produced is just enough to act on the minimal glucose taken by you through your current diet. The GTT test would be beneficial to see if this is true.


samuraikacang
post Jun 8 2013, 05:23 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Jun 7 2013, 08:32 AM)
hmm....I didn't know diabetes can be cured  hmm.gif . Prolly the correct term to be used is is under control with proper diet and lifestyle.

I think your insulin produced is just enough to act on the minimal glucose taken by you through your current diet. The GTT test would be beneficial to see if this is true.
*
GTT done today

will have to wait for the accurate result from hospital

thru my own gluco metre

Fasting blood = 5.4
30 minutes after consuming that sickly sweet drink = 8.6
1hour 30 minutes later = 7.9

will update once know the accurate result.
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 10 2013, 02:05 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



i`m a diabetes patient,type 1,diagnosed in 2006,when the doctor told me i have diabetes,i couldnt believe it,coz i exercise/sports either basketball/futsal almost everyday i only didnt play during rainy days..so i jez act like nothing happened,keep continue what i do,what i eat everyday until mid of 2008.i started to feel the effect,i easily dehydrated,i got the eyes problems the 1 like snowblind disease,easily hungry,frequent to pee,and i was hospitalized for diabetic comma in dec 2009,so i asked my doctor i didnt consumed too much sugar before i was diagnosed with diabetes in 2006,why i get diabetes?my doctor sometimes its genetic,at 1st i was really feel down couldnt do things like i did before,i mean not like it used to be coz nowadays im back to play sports but not so roughly like i did,i quit drinking sweet drinks like milo,totally no carbonated drinks,no ice drinks either,well its not like i give up on sweet things,its jez i want to eat rice,so i have to sacrifice something for it..n nowadays my glucose reading kinda good between 6-8.5 jez sometimes above 10 but not more than 5 times in a month..and i really wanna ask,if there`s any protein powder product that suitable for diabetic patients?

This post has been edited by whuffy_aniki: Jun 10 2013, 02:07 AM
stimix
post Jun 10 2013, 11:58 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 10 2013, 02:05 AM)
i`m a diabetes patient,type 1,diagnosed in 2006,when the doctor told me i have diabetes,i couldnt believe it,coz i exercise/sports either basketball/futsal almost everyday i only didnt play during rainy days..so i jez act like nothing happened,keep continue what i do,what i eat everyday until mid of 2008.i started to feel the effect,i easily dehydrated,i got the eyes problems the 1 like snowblind disease,easily hungry,frequent to pee,and i was hospitalized for diabetic comma in dec 2009,so i asked my doctor i didnt consumed too much sugar before i was diagnosed with diabetes in 2006,why i get diabetes?my doctor sometimes its genetic,at 1st i was really feel down couldnt do things like i did before,i mean not like it used to be coz nowadays im back to play sports but not so roughly like i did,i quit drinking sweet drinks like milo,totally no carbonated drinks,no ice drinks either,well its not like i give up on sweet things,its jez i want to eat rice,so i have to sacrifice something for it..n nowadays my glucose reading kinda good between 6-8.5 jez sometimes above 10 but not more than 5 times in a month..and i really wanna ask,if there`s any protein powder product that suitable for diabetic patients?
*
Yeah most newly diagnosed diabetics were like that initially smile.gif I was diagnosed in late 80s' smile.gif That was >24 yrs ago. Your glucose level is almost similar to mine nowadays after going thru insulin treatment since Mar this year. I believe you're also on insulin right now.. What is the type of insulin & dosage you are taking right now?
tusongi
post Jun 11 2013, 05:50 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
8 posts

Joined: May 2013
QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 10 2013, 04:05 AM)
i`m a diabetes patient,type 1,diagnosed in 2006,when the doctor told me i have diabetes,i couldnt believe it,coz i exercise/sports either basketball/futsal almost everyday i only didnt play during rainy days..so i jez act like nothing happened,keep continue what i do,what i eat everyday until mid of 2008.i started to feel the effect,i easily dehydrated,i got the eyes problems the 1 like snowblind disease,easily hungry,frequent to pee,and i was hospitalized for diabetic comma in dec 2009,so i asked my doctor i didnt consumed too much sugar before i was diagnosed with diabetes in 2006,why i get diabetes?my doctor sometimes its genetic,at 1st i was really feel down couldnt do things like i did before,i mean not like it used to be coz nowadays im back to play sports but not so roughly like i did,i quit drinking sweet drinks like milo,totally no carbonated drinks,no ice drinks either,well its not like i give up on sweet things,its jez i want to eat rice,so i have to sacrifice something for it..n nowadays my glucose reading kinda good between 6-8.5 jez sometimes above 10 but not more than 5 times in a month..and i really wanna ask,if there`s any protein powder product that suitable for diabetic patients?
*
Hi,
Having diagnosed with diabetes type 1 is really not because of you having binge drinking sweet drinks but rather due to the fact that your immune system is being manipulated. Your pancreas would not produce enough insulin to counteract the exogenous glucose from your dietary intake. Therefore, you might sometimes experience the symptoms of hyperglycaemia. Yes, what your doctor said its true, diabetes type 1 is brought about by the mutation in your gene. By now, I guess you have already adapted to it. To answer your question about the protein powder, I guess you can take any protein powder that does not have any glucose in it? (Not sure whether all of the protein powder contains glucose ingredient or not, sorry). As long as the protein powder does not have any glucose in it to fluctuate your blood glucose level in your body, then probably it's alright to be consumed. (Correct me if I'm wrong anybody).
P.s, stay strong and fit buddy. I'm sure you will cope up with this.

whuffy_aniki
post Jun 11 2013, 04:40 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 10 2013, 11:58 PM)
Yeah most newly diagnosed diabetics were like that initially  smile.gif  I was diagnosed in late 80s' smile.gif That was >24 yrs ago. Your glucose level is almost similar to mine nowadays after going thru insulin treatment since Mar this year. I believe you're also on insulin right now.. What is the type of insulin & dosage you are taking right now?
*
yea,im already on insulin,im using novorapid flexipen(doctor put 8 for this 1,but since i eat rice more than half plate so my injection varies to my food portion,sometimes i inject 10) for short term insulin and glargine for long term(night,20 unit injection)

QUOTE(tusongi @ Jun 11 2013, 05:50 AM)
Hi,
Having diagnosed with diabetes type 1 is really not because of you having binge drinking sweet drinks but rather due to the fact that your immune system is being manipulated. Your pancreas would not produce enough insulin to counteract the exogenous glucose from your dietary intake. Therefore, you might sometimes experience the symptoms of hyperglycaemia. Yes, what your doctor said its true, diabetes type 1 is brought about by the mutation in your gene. By now, I guess you have already adapted to it. To answer your question about the protein powder, I guess you can take any protein powder that does not have any glucose in it? (Not sure whether all of the protein powder contains glucose ingredient or not, sorry). As long as the protein powder does not have any glucose in it to fluctuate your blood glucose level in your body, then probably it's alright to be consumed. (Correct me if I'm wrong anybody).
P.s, stay strong and fit buddy. I'm sure you will cope up with this.
*
ahaha yea,but most malaysian including myself doesnt really have knowledge about diabetes,when i was hospitalized my doctor said my pancreas already stop producing insulin..yea i will try my best to avoid from getting amputated n other complication as kidney disease n etc..
stimix
post Jun 11 2013, 05:03 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 11 2013, 04:40 PM)
yea,im already on insulin,im using novorapid flexipen(doctor put 8 for this 1,but since i eat rice more than half plate so my injection varies to my food portion,sometimes i inject 10) for short term insulin and glargine for long term(night,20 unit injection)

*
Hmnnn u probably with private Hospital because I was told earlier in this thread, govt Hospital only giving the older gen Novo- Insulatard (long acting), mixtard (Mid-acting) and short acting - Actrapid hmm.gif

I was prescribed 8 units each of Insulateard (B4 sleep daily) and 8 unit of actrapid 1/2 hr b4 meals (3 times daily), Just like you, I alo eat >1/2 plate of rice i.e ~ 3/4 plate blush.gif + fruits (apple / Gauva/ pear)..That's why my result also so-so only. I actually increased my actrapid to 9ut per meal instead of 8...I'm going to visit my Doctor again, dunno whether they agreed if I suggest them to increase me to 10ut for each meal hmm.gif biggrin.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 11 2013, 05:11 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


Good News at least for me

My Glucose Tolerance Test results

Fasting blood sugar : 5.3

2 hours after intake of Glucose Solutions : 5.6
stimix
post Jun 11 2013, 06:21 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Wah.. you almost cure???? Most probably you are on borderine previously with your obese sized and now with the weigh reduction & stringent diet + exercise.. you got it controlled.

samuraikacang
post Jun 11 2013, 10:01 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 11 2013, 06:21 PM)
Wah.. you almost cure???? Most probably you are on borderine previously with your obese sized and now with the weigh reduction & stringent diet + exercise.. you got it controlled.
*
when i was diagnosed in 2003, i was 125kg and it wasn't borderline, it was 30+ mmol. possibility of diabetic coma since the meter itself display error because of too high of sugar. immediately admit to ward and hospitalized for 1 week to stabilize the sugar. I was 23 years old.

was put with insulin regime since then.
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 12 2013, 12:30 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 11 2013, 05:03 PM)
Hmnnn u probably with private Hospital because I was told earlier in this thread, govt Hospital only giving the older gen Novo- Insulatard (long acting), mixtard (Mid-acting) and short acting - Actrapid  hmm.gif

I was prescribed 8 units each of Insulateard (B4 sleep daily) and 8 unit of actrapid 1/2 hr b4 meals (3 times daily), Just like you, I alo eat >1/2 plate of rice i.e ~ 3/4 plate blush.gif + fruits (apple / Gauva/ pear)..That's why my result also so-so only. I actually increased my actrapid to 9ut per meal instead of 8...I'm going to visit my Doctor again, dunno whether they agreed if I suggest them to increase me to 10ut for each meal  hmm.gif  biggrin.gif
*
no la,im not that rich kid to follow up in private hospital,all my follow up appointment now in selayang hospital,before this i used humulin R n actrapid but both of it doest suit me well,i ended up around 9-11 glucose reading until doctor prescribe me with novorapid,only glargine never changed,ahh i see,i only eat fruit once per week,same goes to vitamin C supplement,btw have u ever experience 1 weird situation where ur glucose reading kinda go haywire?there`s a situation happened to me,once every 3 months,where my glucose reading goes crazy,like 15,14 sometimes 20,i didnt changed my diet or my insulin injection,not to mention there`s also a time im easily turn hypo,1.8-3.4 kinda weird i never changed my insulin intake unit or my meal,too bad for since im categorized not that serious diabetes patient anymore i seldom meet with head doctor during my appointment only "kid" doctor so they cant give me reasonable explanation..im turning 26 years old this august by the way


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 11 2013, 10:01 PM)
when i was diagnosed in 2003, i was 125kg and it wasn't borderline, it was 30+ mmol. possibility of diabetic coma since the meter itself display error because of too high of sugar. immediately admit to ward and hospitalized for 1 week to stabilize the sugar. I was 23 years old.

was put with insulin regime since then.
*
ahaha,high 5 mate,there`s a time i get HI and LO reading too xD

This post has been edited by whuffy_aniki: Jun 12 2013, 12:33 AM
mushashi87
post Jun 12 2013, 12:45 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
223 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


Hey guys i am also diagnose with diabetic 5 years ago at age 21 heard from doctor it is a genetic since i am getting it in young ages not mistaken reaching 8 above but i did not take any medication because heard lots of people saying that medication will slowly damage our kidney and end up heard attack....etc so i am just cutting down on sweet like drinks, choc, ice cream but not rice...... until last 3 month I got sick and i just reach 12.9 after that I am taking Noni (not sure anyone heard before) Been diagnose last month without medication also but my sugar level came down to 10.9. I have not went for checkup for this month yet so not sure about my sugar level now.

Heard that this noni helps regenerates back your cells. Stlll under testing if anyone interested to give it a try can look for me. Will update once I went for check up for sugar level again.
SUSslimey
post Jun 12 2013, 02:17 AM


*******
Senior Member
6,914 posts

Joined: Apr 2007
QUOTE(mushashi87 @ Jun 12 2013, 12:45 AM)
Hey guys i am also diagnose with diabetic 5 years ago at age 21 heard from doctor it is a genetic since i am getting it in young ages not mistaken reaching 8 above but i did not take any medication because heard lots of people saying that medication will slowly damage our kidney and end up heard attack....etc so i am just cutting down on sweet like drinks, choc, ice cream but not rice...... until last 3 month I got sick and i just reach 12.9 after that I am taking Noni (not sure anyone heard before) Been diagnose last month without medication also but my sugar level came down to 10.9. I have not went for checkup for this month yet so not sure about my sugar level now.

Heard that this noni helps regenerates back your cells. Stlll under testing if anyone interested to give it a try can look for me. Will update once I went for check up for sugar level again.
*
untreated diabetes mellitus cause problem.

a lot of people are stupid. thus most hearsay is full of bs. most probably you have type 1 diabetes mellitus. the drug you need is insulin. and it is normally produced by the human body. if used properly, insulin is very safe, in fact, diabetic people who are pregnant will switch to insulin instead of other diabetic medication.

and this noni sounds like snake oil to me. don't be cheated.
stimix
post Jun 12 2013, 07:18 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 12 2013, 12:30 AM)
no la,im not that rich kid to follow up in private hospital,all my follow up appointment now in selayang hospital,before this i used humulin R n actrapid but both of it doest suit me well,i ended up around 9-11 glucose reading until doctor prescribe me with novorapid,only glargine never changed,ahh i see,i only eat fruit once per week,same goes to vitamin C supplement,btw have u ever experience 1 weird situation where ur glucose reading kinda go haywire?there`s a situation happened to me,once every 3 months,where my glucose reading goes crazy,like 15,14 sometimes 20,i didnt changed my diet or my insulin injection,not to mention there`s also a time im easily turn hypo,1.8-3.4 kinda weird i never changed my insulin intake unit or my meal,too bad for since im categorized not that serious diabetes patient anymore i seldom meet with head doctor during my appointment only "kid" doctor so they cant give me reasonable explanation..im turning 26 years old this august by the way

*
Yeah I got what u mentioned above. There was time when its gone kuku. but that because I tokk starchy food.. for eg, once I took cantonese fried ying yong (big portion) and the reading gone up 18 rclxub.gif There were time my reading touching 12 to 14 too bcos I took bananas, pinneapples or even papaya.. all these with high sugar content blush.gif

stimix
post Jun 12 2013, 07:25 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(mushashi87 @ Jun 12 2013, 12:45 AM)
Hey guys i am also diagnose with diabetic 5 years ago at age 21 heard from doctor it is a genetic since i am getting it in young ages not mistaken reaching 8 above but i did not take any medication because heard lots of people saying that medication will slowly damage our kidney and end up heard attack....etc so i am just cutting down on sweet like drinks, choc, ice cream but not rice...... until last 3 month I got sick and i just reach 12.9 after that I am taking Noni (not sure anyone heard before) Been diagnose last month without medication also but my sugar level came down to 10.9. I have not went for checkup for this month yet so not sure about my sugar level now.

Heard that this noni helps regenerates back your cells. Stlll under testing if anyone interested to give it a try can look for me. Will update once I went for check up for sugar level again.
*
I was diagnosed when I was 18. Just like youm I went on diet without medication until I got married and that was the time my result getting from bad to worse. Thereafter on medication for the past 15 yrs and out of control again in recent years b4 switching to insulin.

I have tried all kinds of alternative medications, noni, spirulina, OMX, all kind of algaes, and even into negative Ion therapy. Most of it is a joke. well except few alternatives like bitter gourds seeds that have good result.
Play safe..go for insulin or exercise + super strict diet like samuraikachang... His control is something unbelievable shocking.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 09:29 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


go for insulin if you are young. really. it works for me. ask your doctor about victoza if you are type 2. yeah victoza comes with side effects but the good its bring at least for me is worth more than the side effect which by the way i haven't experience any since i started using and stopped using it last march.

also discuss with your doctor type of insulin that don't promote appetite. Levemir would be a good choice for weight control.
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 11:20 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


A Type 1 diabetic of 5 (I can't remember the date now) years or so here, an expensive hobby being a diabetic sad.gif

Using Levemir + Novorapid here
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 11:22 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 09:29 AM)
also discuss with your doctor type of insulin that don't promote appetite. Levemir would be a good choice for weight control.
*
Most important is to get the basal insulin dosage correct - if you're taking too much and always going low, having to snack to top-up will for sure make you increase weight
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 11:31 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 12 2013, 11:22 AM)
Most important is to get the basal insulin dosage correct - if you're taking too much and always going low, having to snack to top-up will for sure make you increase weight
*
Yes. Always discuss with doctor any incident of lows and his. so he can adjust your insulin. But for veteran diabetic, they should be able to figure out which food to be avoided so the sugar don't goes up suddenly.
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 11:34 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 11:31 AM)
Yes. Always discuss with doctor any incident of lows and his. so he can adjust your insulin. But for veteran diabetic, they should be able to figure out which food to be avoided so the sugar don't goes up suddenly.
*
Yup, but no matter how - sometimes highs / lows are unavoidable unless you stick to the same routine day in day out (with regards to food, sleep, excersize)

I'm going to be investing in a CGMS (constant glucose monitor) soon to help me improve control, especially overnight levels which are the trickiest ones for me.

http://www.dexcom.com/dexcom-g4-platinum

This post has been edited by rjb123: Jun 12 2013, 11:37 AM
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 11:40 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 12 2013, 11:34 AM)
Yup, but no matter how - sometimes highs / lows are unavoidable unless you stick to the same routine day in day out (with regards to food, sleep, excersize)

I'm going to be investing in a CGMS (constant glucose monitor) soon to help me improve control, especially overnight levels which are the trickiest ones for me.

http://www.dexcom.com/dexcom-g4-platinum
*
Insulin pump?
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 11:42 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 11:40 AM)
Insulin pump?
*
Nope, it's like your normal glucose monitor - but you attach a sensor to your arm and it reads your BGs 24 hours per day. Although it does still need to be calibrated a few times per day with a standard reader.

I'm on injections and not planning to change to a pump - I think being able to read BGs 24 hours per day will be of more advantage to me than a pump

Also the constant monitoring system is expensive enough, not sure how much adding a pump into the mix will add.
save and well
post Jun 12 2013, 11:45 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
1 posts

Joined: Jun 2013
Intresting to know people are too health concious these days....





mushashi87
post Jun 12 2013, 12:03 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
223 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 12 2013, 02:17 AM)
untreated diabetes mellitus cause problem.

a lot of people are stupid. thus most hearsay is full of bs. most probably you have type 1 diabetes mellitus. the drug you need is insulin. and it is normally produced by the human body. if used properly, insulin is very safe, in fact, diabetic people who are pregnant will switch to insulin instead of other diabetic medication.

and this noni sounds like snake oil to me. don't be cheated.
*
Well I am not been cheated lots my mom friends uncle is curing even from a really damage leg which need to be cut soon it recover back shocking.gif shocking.gif which is so freaking fake if you ask me and I don't think anyone will trust since there are few testomoni from my mom friends so I just test it since i am not on medication or insulin. I am not trying to sell anything here just sharing what i seen and what i am testing. smile.gif I am now giving myself a hope to recover. Everyones know how bad diabetes can be.
mushashi87
post Jun 12 2013, 12:12 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
223 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 12 2013, 07:25 AM)
I was diagnosed when I was 18. Just like youm I went on diet without medication until I got married and that was the time my result getting from bad to worse. Thereafter on medication for the past 15 yrs and out of control again in recent years b4 switching to insulin.

I have tried all kinds of alternative medications, noni, spirulina, OMX, all kind of algaes, and even into negative Ion therapy. Most of it is a joke. well except few alternatives like bitter gourds seeds that have good result.
Play safe..go for insulin or exercise + super strict diet like samuraikachang... His control is something unbelievable  shocking.gif
*
Same bro I tried alot of health product too like yours with have so many brands and name bitter gourds i heard it really help but sorry I can't take it + Super strict diet might be killing me. I rather enjoy my life even it is shorter than having medication & strict diet on my whole life and wait for cutting my limbs.
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 12:20 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(mushashi87 @ Jun 12 2013, 12:12 PM)
Same bro I tried alot of health product too like yours with have so many brands and name bitter gourds i heard it really help but sorry I can't take it + Super strict diet might be killing me. I rather enjoy my life even it is shorter than having medication & strict diet on my whole life and wait for cutting my limbs.
*
I enjoy my life by exercising and joining running competition. I restricted what I eat but then there is plenty things to eat. Salmon, fresh vegetables, chapati etc. Don't believe what's people telling you that you need to be in hunger just to control your diabetes.
mushashi87
post Jun 12 2013, 02:02 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
223 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 12:20 PM)
I enjoy my life by exercising and joining running competition. I restricted what I eat but then there is plenty things to eat. Salmon, fresh vegetables, chapati etc. Don't believe what's people telling you that you need to be in hunger just to control your diabetes.
*
Nahh of course we won't die from hunger but its difficult sometimes family are eating normal meal but I am eating special meal. Just example that I drink kopi c kosong and also teh c kosong for drinks in mamak.
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 03:02 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(mushashi87 @ Jun 12 2013, 02:02 PM)
Nahh of course we won't die from hunger but its difficult sometimes family are eating normal meal but I am eating special meal. Just example that I drink kopi c kosong and also teh c kosong for drinks in mamak.
*
Count the calories and the carbohydrate, Carbo is matter most in diabetic management. Have you seen the dietitian. Using the exchange system really helps me but then I don't take that much of carbs anyway.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-diet/DA00077 read it up here.

oh I do go out and eat with friends but I choose my meal carefully. You have to understand and knows that you are not as normal people.

This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Jun 12 2013, 03:03 PM
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 12 2013, 03:26 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



well i`ve been eating the same meal everyday fix meal,vege soup with 1/4 plate rice,steam/fried chicken,lunch n dinner everyday,3 piece of cream cracker in the morning @__@ teh/kopi o kosong when i hang with friends at mamak,even at chatime xD puyu black tea,no sugar no ice lol owh well cant live to eat nowadays eating everything that i want,its more eat to live..only on monday i`ll take vit C once per 2 weeks,a supplement from GNC megamen(this 1 daily since i read on net there`s no harm for diabetic patients)..
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 04:53 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


That's one upside of being a Type 1 on insulin is you can get away with eating some things as you can bolus / inject for it extra smile.gif

Just checked the price of the CGMS unit I mentioned (needs to be bough from UK)- damn expensive cry.gif but probably a worthwhile investment to give more detailed information on BG readings
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 05:09 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


its worthwhile investment of course. I am lucky because my medical benefits cover test strip for gluco meter so I can test frequently every time I consume foods. Found out that I can actually eat durian without having effects on my blood glucose compare to eating grapes.
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 05:21 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 05:09 PM)
its worthwhile investment of course. I am lucky because my medical benefits cover test strip for gluco meter so I can test frequently every time I consume foods. Found out that I can actually eat durian without having effects on my blood glucose compare to eating grapes.
*
When living in the UK all my test strips etc. were free, since moving to Malaysia nothing more for free - I buy them in bulk in UK and send them by courier.

I tried to get a medical card here but as you can imagine , none are interested in covering existing conditions (understandably!)

The cost for CGMS comes to (in RM) 4600 for initial unit, 950 for 4 sensors , one sensor guaranteed to last 1 week but can often last up to 2, transmitter 1560 guaranteed for 6 months but works up to 12.

So total for a year excluding the initial cost is around 12-13k shocking.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 05:23 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 12 2013, 05:21 PM)
When living in the UK all my test strips etc. were free, since moving to Malaysia nothing more for free - I buy them in bulk in UK and send them by courier.

I tried to get a medical card here but as you can imagine , none are interested in covering existing conditions (understandably!)

The cost for CGMS comes to (in RM) 4600 for initial unit, 950 for 4 sensors , one sensor guaranteed to last 1 week but can often last up to 2, transmitter 1560 guaranteed for 6 months but works up to 12.

So total for a year excluding the initial cost is around 12-13k  shocking.gif
*
The pros of having diabetes is that once an insurance agent hears that you have diabetes, he won't push anymore health insurance to you.
rjb123
post Jun 12 2013, 05:45 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 05:23 PM)
The pros of having diabetes is that once an insurance agent hears that you have diabetes, he won't push anymore health insurance to you.
*
Yep that's one benefit

But means (for me at least) all the strips + insulin have to be paid out of my own pocket.

This post has been edited by rjb123: Jun 12 2013, 05:45 PM
stimix
post Jun 12 2013, 05:46 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 12 2013, 05:45 PM)
Yep that's one benefit

But means (for me at least) all the strips + insulin have to be paid out of my own pocket.
*
Switch to Govt Hospital..FOC biggrin.gif Well almost exept the RM1 registration fee & the needles blush.gif

This post has been edited by stimix: Jun 12 2013, 05:47 PM
jaclynjac
post Jun 12 2013, 06:11 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
297 posts

Joined: Mar 2010


Hi there, just want to ask all the gurus here, my late grandpa and my father get diabetes at the later stage of their life , like after 60 yrs old, so will i get it later?? at the moment don't feel anything yet, but i'm afraid will get it later in my life, is it inherited or something....
mushashi87
post Jun 12 2013, 07:32 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
223 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 03:02 PM)
Count the calories and the carbohydrate, Carbo is matter most in diabetic management. Have you seen the dietitian. Using the exchange system really helps me but then I don't take that much of carbs anyway.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-diet/DA00077 read it up here.

oh I do go out and eat with friends but I choose my meal carefully. You have to understand and knows that you are not as normal people.
*
Thanks for the advice bro. Since the noni i am taking is giving me some good effect so I din really bother going on normal food. Infact i am enjoying with my friend taking stuff with coke....... Yet it is still coming down slowly. Will probably go and check my sugar level end of this month and lets see what is my choice gonna be. Either continue taking the noni or strict diet like what you are having if i want to live longer tongue.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 12 2013, 07:50 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(mushashi87 @ Jun 12 2013, 07:32 PM)
Thanks for the advice bro. Since the noni i am taking is giving me some good effect so I din really bother going on normal food. Infact i am enjoying with my friend taking stuff with coke....... Yet it is still coming down slowly. Will probably go and check my sugar level end of this month and lets see what is my choice gonna be. Either continue taking the noni or strict diet like what you are having if i want to live longer  tongue.gif
*
Carbonated drink is a definitely a NO la. Do you have a gluco meter to check your blood?
stimix
post Jun 12 2013, 09:38 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



This thread getting hot today haha.

ExpZero
post Jun 12 2013, 10:34 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,522 posts

Joined: Mar 2007
From: Kuala Lumpur
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 05:23 PM)
The pros of having diabetes is that once an insurance agent hears that you have diabetes, he won't push anymore health insurance to you.
*
Life and Saving still applicable brows.gif
mushashi87
post Jun 12 2013, 11:44 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
223 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 12 2013, 07:50 PM)
Carbonated drink is a definitely a NO la. Do you have a gluco meter to check your blood?
*
Nope bro i did not usually will go to clinic and check when i am sick...... there is when i am actually fasting because of no mood to eat.
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 12 2013, 11:56 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



QUOTE(jaclynjac @ Jun 12 2013, 06:11 PM)
Hi there, just want to ask all the gurus here, my late grandpa and my father get diabetes at the later stage of their life , like after 60 yrs old, so will i get it later?? at the moment don't feel anything yet, but i'm afraid will get it later in my life, is it inherited or something....
*
usually female is the carrier of the genetic disease,which side grandpa is that,but if ur father u will carry it possibly ur kids/grandchildren will get it..but there`s a percentage u can get it too if u dont take precaution measures to prevent it..my ex biology teacher told me about genetic diseases inheritance,n i kinda think its a bit accurate,since i got both of diseases from my late grandma(my late mother side)there`s few more she told me,1st child/2nd child usually didnt get it,especially female becoz their genetic is dominant unlike male..
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 12 2013, 11:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 12 2013, 05:46 PM)
Switch to Govt Hospital..FOC  biggrin.gif  Well almost exept the RM1 registration fee & the needles  blush.gif
*
yea thumbup.gif only strips and needle arent covered by the govt hospitals,but strips kinda killing my pocket tho~ needles isnt that much since its 60cent for 1..

This post has been edited by whuffy_aniki: Jun 12 2013, 11:58 PM
rjb123
post Jun 14 2013, 12:59 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 12 2013, 05:46 PM)
Switch to Govt Hospital..FOC  biggrin.gif  Well almost exept the RM1 registration fee & the needles  blush.gif
*
I'm not Malaysian so I don't think will be eligible to discounts / using gov. hospital.

QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 12 2013, 11:58 PM)
yea  thumbup.gif  only strips and needle arent covered by the govt hospitals,but strips kinda killing my pocket tho~ needles isnt that much since its 60cent for 1..
*
I import my strips from UK - cost is approx RM60 for a pack of 50, most pharmacies I see here are selling at this price for only 25 pcs. The meter I use isn't available here but can buy it in UK too for cheap (RM70 around only)

Needles I buy a few hundred at a time - normally RM40-45 per box of 100

My Dexcom G4 is due to be delivered on Monday by DHL (unless it gets held up at customs) rclxm9.gif
stimix
post Jun 14 2013, 10:37 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Oh. Now I got it.

Btw, just came back from govt clinic this morning. As usual the whole process took me ~2.5 hrs. No complain since getting free insulin and metformin. The doctor increased my insulin level to 10 ut for each jab dy. with this I scare going into hypo again... Monitoring soon.
samuraikacang
post Jun 14 2013, 11:03 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 14 2013, 10:37 AM)
Oh. Now I got it.

Btw, just came back from govt clinic this morning. As usual the whole process took me ~2.5 hrs. No complain since getting free insulin and metformin. The doctor increased my insulin level to 10 ut for each jab dy.  with this I scare going into hypo again... Monitoring soon.
*
need to monitor your bg level after food to see if the insulin increase is too much.
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 14 2013, 04:05 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



wahhhh strips only rm60 for 50?thats cheap,im using the yellow box of optium exceed T_T 50pcs=rm105 after i become member of the pharmacy i only get rm10 discount

QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 14 2013, 10:37 AM)
Oh. Now I got it.

Btw, just came back from govt clinic this morning. As usual the whole process took me ~2.5 hrs. No complain since getting free insulin and metformin. The doctor increased my insulin level to 10 ut for each jab dy.  with this I scare going into hypo again... Monitoring soon.
*
aha,2.5hours?i really jelly..yeah hypo is really a bother,suddenly vision becomes blur,very weak sensitivity too doh.gif

This post has been edited by whuffy_aniki: Jun 14 2013, 04:08 PM
rjb123
post Jun 16 2013, 11:53 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 14 2013, 04:05 PM)
wahhhh strips only rm60 for 50?thats cheap,im using the yellow box of optium exceed T_T 50pcs=rm105 after i become member of the pharmacy i only get rm10 discount
aha,2.5hours?i really jelly..yeah hypo is really a bother,suddenly vision becomes blur,very weak sensitivity too  doh.gif
*
Yep, I'm using the Accu Chek Aviva Nano meter from UK - you can buy the meter there for less than RM50 as they make the money from the strips (NHS in UK will give a Type 1 1 box of 50 per week FOC). Unfortunately the model is different to the ones available in Asia so I also have another meter I bought here for emergency.

Now I'm using the same meter, and buy strips from eBay in UK - last time purchased 30 boxes or so and send over all together by courier smile.gif

Looks like my CGMS should be arriving by tomorrow, will need less strips and get a reading every 5 minutes drool.gif
stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 11:27 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Shocking news that I found this Morning.

Due to the current durian season, my family keeps on asking me out for a durian lunch...So I did a quick google search and found this: rclxm9.gif

http://healthylifecarenews.com/durian-bett...lon-and-papaya/
http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/Volu.../35-39-1017.pdf

Will reserve this weekend for Durian lunch at SS2 liao rclxm9.gif beh tahan blush.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 18 2013, 11:31 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 18 2013, 11:27 AM)
Shocking news that I found this Morning.

Due to the current durian season, my family keeps on asking me out for a durian lunch...So I did a quick google search and found this:  rclxm9.gif

http://healthylifecarenews.com/durian-bett...lon-and-papaya/
http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/Volu.../35-39-1017.pdf

Will reserve this weekend for Durian lunch at SS2 liao  rclxm9.gif  beh tahan  blush.gif
*
always in moderation right.

still will increase you blood sugar if eat a basket of durian.
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 11:32 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


Durian has a lot of carbs actually - Low GI or High GI, still a lot of carbs sad.gif

user posted image
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 11:35 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


And I've fitted my first sensor just now - approximately 2 hours before I'll start to get first readings / calibrate biggrin.gif

user posted image
stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 11:36 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 18 2013, 11:31 AM)
always in moderation right.

still will increase you blood sugar if eat a basket of durian.
*
Not-lah.. just moderate.. Will not eat any food thereafter and check my glucose level 2-3 hrs thereafter... wait for weekend biggrin.gif
stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 11:38 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 11:32 AM)
Durian has a lot of carbs actually - Low GI or High GI, still a lot of carbs sad.gif

user posted image
*
27g / 100gm total is consider superb already rclxms.gif ..Even rolled oats that I taken every Morning also having Carbo reading of 60g/100gm! smile.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 18 2013, 11:38 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


I am going to eat the most expensive durian I can get.
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 11:42 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 18 2013, 11:38 AM)
27g / 100gm total is consider superb already  rclxms.gif ..Even rolled oats that I taken every Morning also having Carbo reading of 60g/100gm!  smile.gif
*
Yeah but you don't eat crabs dry biggrin.gif - I mean 100g of Durian isn't much

Cooked rice has around 25g / 100G, raw rice 70-75g / 100G, 100G cooked isn't enough for a meal biggrin.gif


stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 11:46 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 11:42 AM)
Yeah but you don't eat crabs dry  biggrin.gif - I mean 100g of Durian isn't much

Cooked rice has around 25g / 100G, raw rice 70-75g / 100G, 100G cooked isn't enough for a meal biggrin.gif
*
huh cooked rice having low carbo? ohmy.gif Shocking weh.. What I know rice is one of the worst effect on my BS reading. Even brown rice is slightly better but still high if takes full plate biggrin.gif

BTW, do update us on your new meter...Dun you feel pain having needle (?) sitting under the skin all the time? How about taking shower?

This post has been edited by stimix: Jun 18 2013, 11:47 AM
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 11:58 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 18 2013, 11:46 AM)
huh  cooked rice having low carbo?  ohmy.gif Shocking weh.. What I know rice is one of the worst effect on my BS reading. Even brown rice is slightly better but still high if takes full plate  biggrin.gif

BTW, do update us on your new meter...Dun you feel pain having needle (?) sitting under the skin all the time? How about taking shower?
*
Well in effect cooked / raw is the same , just the cooked one has water inside hence less carbs / 100g

If I eat brown rice I normally have a 100g raw portion, equates to around 300g cooked - for me 5-7U of Novorapid depending on time of day / activity level

The insertion needle on the meter is fairly long , after that the needle that goes inside is tiny (don't even get to see it, as it's inside the insertion needle) although the tool looks a bit scary at first - it's the packet on the left

user posted image

You keep the sensor / transmitter on the whole time - it's waterproof. Once taken off you need to replace with a new sensor - sensor guaranteed for 7 days - although some people report getting up to 4 weeks out of it, hope I get as long as possible as they're not cheap to say the least.

Will update over the next few days how I get on ... today not the best start as woke up with a high BG (10.2) sad.gif Unfortunately the first sensor I inserted had an error, so need to get that replaced sad.gif

This post has been edited by rjb123: Jun 18 2013, 12:00 PM
stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 12:07 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



How about the feeling of needle permanently attached to the body.. I really having phobia on this.. Anyway.. can't afford this gadget for sure haha..
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 12:09 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 18 2013, 12:07 PM)
How about the feeling of needle permanently attached to the body.. I really having phobia on this.. Anyway.. can't afford this gadget for sure haha..
*
I can only feel the adhesive / tape sticking the transmitter / sensor on to be honest - don't even notice the needle inside

Then again being a Type 1 I've injected myself so many times over the years I don't really feel those either anymore blush.gif

It does feel a bit unsual to have something stuck to you though - I'm sure I'll get used to that part soon ...

This post has been edited by rjb123: Jun 18 2013, 12:10 PM
samuraikacang
post Jun 18 2013, 12:18 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:09 PM)
I can only feel the adhesive / tape sticking the transmitter / sensor on to be honest - don't even notice the needle inside

Then again being a Type 1 I've injected myself so many times over the years I don't really feel those either anymore  blush.gif

It does feel a bit unsual to have something stuck to you though - I'm sure I'll get used to that part soon ...
*
I know that feeling of not feeling anything after 10 years sticking needle for insulin and blood check.

thank Allah, I already passed that phase. not needing any needles and frequent Blood sugar check.
stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 12:19 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



BTW, just to update my BS reading both fasting & random (2.5-3hrs after last meal b4 I jab my last insulin) These were after the Doctor increased my dosage from 9ut every meals & 8 ut b4 bed to 10ut each time since last Friday:

Fasting - Avg 7.2 to 8.5
B4 bed random: 7.5-9.5

cry.gif Sad actually.. Probably due to lack of exercise & weekend food hunt blush.gif
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 12:21 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 18 2013, 12:18 PM)
I know that feeling of not feeling anything after 10 years sticking needle for insulin and blood check.

thank Allah, I already passed that phase. not needing any needles and frequent Blood sugar check.
*
Yep, you get used to it blush.gif

Good on you, but as a T1 unless there's a major breakthrough I'll be stuck on needles for a long time - or I invest in a pump but that is REALLY expensive cry.gif
stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 12:30 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:21 PM)
Yep, you get used to it  blush.gif

Good on you, but as a T1 unless there's a major breakthrough I'll be stuck on needles for a long time - or I invest in a pump but that is REALLY expensive  cry.gif
*
Insulin pump is not wide spread yet in M'sia. But I did read bit & pieces from UK diabetes forum. Yeah no cheap unless we have the superb insurance scheme like those in UK & US cry.gif


samuraikacang
post Jun 18 2013, 12:30 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:21 PM)
Yep, you get used to it  blush.gif

Good on you, but as a T1 unless there's a major breakthrough I'll be stuck on needles for a long time - or I invest in a pump but that is REALLY expensive  cry.gif
*
I was wrongly diagnosed as T1 back then because they saw me as a juvenile IDDM. Probably for the good since I was on insulin day one.
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 12:33 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 18 2013, 12:30 PM)
Insulin pump is not wide spread yet in M'sia. But I did read bit & pieces from UK diabetes forum. Yeah no cheap unless we have the superb insurance scheme like those in UK & US  cry.gif
*
US coverage is more likely - but I doubt you'd get insured as a pre-existing condition unfortunately.

UK coverage only in some cases you'd get a pump - I was only ever eligible for the needles / insulin / strips , normally you'd only get a pump if your control wasn't that good as far as I know, or you had a phobia of needles. Same with CGMS like I just got, you'd only be eligible in UK if you were hypo - unaware.

I checked with Animas UK the cost of their Vibe pump (with built in monitor) - the unit comes to RM15K (double this price in US) and of course excluding all the consumables.
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 12:35 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 18 2013, 12:30 PM)
I was wrongly diagnosed as T1 back then because they saw me as a juvenile IDDM. Probably for the good since I was on insulin day one.
*
In the first year after initial diagnosis I thought the same too (although I wasn't overweight at all) as the BG levels seemed to control themselves pretty well, even if I forgot to inject after a meal by accident

Turns out it was just the "honeymoon period" unfortunately.
samuraikacang
post Jun 18 2013, 12:35 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:33 PM)
US coverage is more likely - but I doubt you'd get insured as a pre-existing condition unfortunately.

UK coverage only in some cases you'd get a pump - I was only ever eligible for the needles / insulin / strips , normally you'd only get a pump if your control wasn't that good as far as I know, or you had a phobia of needles. Same with CGMS like I just got, you'd only be eligible in UK if you were hypo - unaware.

I checked with Animas UK the cost of their Vibe pump (with built in monitor) - the unit comes to RM15K (double this price in US) and of course excluding all the consumables.
*
In Malaysia, once you have diabetes, you are not eligible for any health insurance.

QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 18 2013, 12:35 PM)
In the first year after initial diagnosis I thought the same too (although I wasn't overweight at all) as the BG levels seemed to control themselves pretty well, even if I forgot to inject after a meal by accident

Turns out it was just the "honeymoon period" unfortunately.
*
Since I'm T2, honeymoon period don't apply to me hehe.

This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Jun 18 2013, 12:37 PM
rjb123
post Jun 18 2013, 12:45 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 18 2013, 12:35 PM)
In Malaysia, once you have diabetes, you are not eligible for any health insurance.
Since I'm T2, honeymoon period don't apply to me hehe.
*
I noticed - I tried to apply for a medical card once which was rejected , they won't cover me at all.

There's a company called Interglobal that do offer insurance and include pre-existing conditions but the cost is high. Around 8-9K per year, and of course that would only cover emergencies etc. and not medication/supplies for ongoing conditions sad.gif
whuffy_aniki
post Jun 18 2013, 01:33 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



have u guys heard about quinoa?its a good food to replace rice,a lot of protein as well,try googling it biggrin.gif


stimix
post Jun 18 2013, 05:06 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ Jun 18 2013, 01:33 PM)
have u guys heard about quinoa?its a good food to replace rice,a lot of protein as well,try googling it biggrin.gif
*
With almost similar gm/100gm to oats for sure it's a good substitute. However, is this easily available in supermarkets? pricing similar to rice/brown rice hmm.gif biggrin.gif Otherwise, much easier to stick to Asian staple food - rice..

Honestly, I even tried oats as a substitute for rice but really yucks... Does not taste right wth asian dishes.. Oats only for breakfast - just normal cooked oats smile.gif blush.gif
rjb123
post Jun 19 2013, 11:04 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


First full day (well nearly, in 1 hour) of using CGMS - and it's proving to be useful.

Not missed a single measurement (12 per hour) and plots them all on a graph on the device / syncs to PC when connected

Woke me up beeping at 9AM this morning as BG was high (11.1 sad.gif) - it seems from looking at the graph my basal insulin drops me too low first which makes me have to top up before sleep ... then keeps rising from around 5-6 AM or so

Time for changing that - main reason I got this biggrin.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 20 2013, 09:56 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


stress do increase bg
stimix
post Jun 20 2013, 10:47 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 19 2013, 11:04 PM)
First full day (well nearly, in 1 hour) of using CGMS - and it's proving to be useful.

Not missed a single measurement (12 per hour) and plots them all on a graph on the device / syncs to PC when connected

Woke me up beeping at 9AM this morning as BG was high (11.1 sad.gif) - it seems from looking at the graph my basal insulin drops me too low first which makes me have to top up before sleep ... then keeps rising from around 5-6 AM or so

Time for changing that - main reason I got this biggrin.gif
*
Hmnn interesting reading wth your new device.. Now I know why my BS can be nasty gigh if I woke up late & did my test 2 hrs from my usual time.. rclxms.gif

If I'm not mistaken you're on levenir which suppose to be a better long acting insulin hmm.gif
rjb123
post Jun 21 2013, 04:21 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 20 2013, 10:47 PM)
Hmnn interesting reading wth your new device.. Now I know why my BS can be nasty gigh if I woke up late & did my test 2 hrs from my usual time..  rclxms.gif

If I'm not mistaken you're on levenir which suppose to be a better long acting insulin  hmm.gif
*
Yep I'm on Levemir - it used to be perfect for me , 12U per day at first, and hardly any highs or lows - I guess that was my honeymoon period making things easier. A lot of people report having to split their dose in 2, in some cases even 3 during the day. If I take only a single larger dose either it drops me too much after a few hours, or will rise like crazy for the last 6-7 hours before the next dose is due

Due to that rise I decided to increase Levemir by 2U and move it along 3 hours earlier to 9PM so the initial low BG comes on earlier - that plan didn't work - got woken up to Low BG alarm at 4AM (around 3.4 or so) mad.gif

Today going to reduce to 10U and see how I get on overnight. Very useful being able to see on a graph exactly what your BG has been doing , in the past was always guesswork!

This post has been edited by rjb123: Jun 21 2013, 04:22 PM
rjb123
post Jun 22 2013, 12:35 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


Reduced to 10U, no going low but again rising in the morning mad.gif

Time to adjust again today whistling.gif
stimix
post Jun 22 2013, 06:07 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Having my durian lunch this Afternoon with family of 3. We ate 3 X 1.8kg fruits i.e ~1.8kg of durian/pax. My BS 2 hrs after that lunch = 10. Not bad...
rjb123
post Jun 22 2013, 09:57 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


Other than waking up with a high (>10) BG today has been good.

user posted image

I believe my morning rise is due to Dawn Phenomenon, or Levemir running out? Either way frustrating

It looks high as of end of the graph but I just ate then (9:10) so hasn't come down yet - should resolve itself by 11PM-Midnight
stimix
post Jun 23 2013, 08:16 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 22 2013, 09:57 PM)
Other than waking up with a high (>10) BG today has been good.

user posted image

I believe my morning rise is due to Dawn Phenomenon, or Levemir running out? Either way frustrating

It looks high as of end of the graph but I just ate then (9:10) so hasn't come down yet - should resolve itself by 11PM-Midnight
*
Your short acting insulin is working well but not the long acting hmm.gif Probably need to increase your levemir further?

This post has been edited by stimix: Jun 23 2013, 08:17 AM
rjb123
post Jun 23 2013, 12:26 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 23 2013, 08:16 AM)
Your short acting insulin is working well but not the long acting  hmm.gif  Probably need to increase your levemir further?
*
Yep, the long acting drops me overnight sometimes though like the night before .. I'm going to try eat something fatty (ie cheese or so) before sleep to keep it up when increasing Levemir, see if that helps.
stimix
post Jun 23 2013, 05:23 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Interesting thread about this almost zero calorie noodle:

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2572057
samuraikacang
post Jun 23 2013, 05:35 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 23 2013, 05:23 PM)
Interesting thread about this almost zero calorie noodle:

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2572057
*
nice finding.
kMichelle
post Jun 24 2013, 10:02 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
10 posts

Joined: Jun 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 3 2013, 08:33 PM)
Huh, diabetes where can cure want..
*
It can. I have a personal sharing. My father got into an accident last year with broken leg bone and diabetes complication with blood glucose reading of 20.9. His surgery wound is able to heal within 1 month.

4 months later, his blood glucose level is able to be reversed to healthy level of 5.6 and no longer need to take diabetic medication and insulin shot smile.gif
stimix
post Jun 24 2013, 10:13 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(kMichelle @ Jun 24 2013, 10:02 AM)
It can. I have a personal sharing. My father got into an accident last year with broken leg bone and diabetes complication with blood glucose reading of 20.9. His surgery wound is able to heal within 1 month.

4 months later, his blood glucose level is able to be reversed to healthy level of 5.6 and no longer need to take diabetic medication and insulin shot  smile.gif
*
More like well control or your father was on border line case earlier almsot similar to those pregnant women having diabetes condition but after delivered..gone.

However once you are confirmed and no longer border line.. whatever medication also useless except insulin. Even those diebetic medication also won't works well!! biggrin.gif
kMichelle
post Jun 24 2013, 10:33 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
10 posts

Joined: Jun 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 24 2013, 10:13 AM)
More like well control or your father was on border line case earlier almsot similar to those pregnant women having diabetes condition but after delivered..gone.

However once you are confirmed and no longer border line.. whatever medication also useless except insulin. Even those diebetic medication also won't works well!!  biggrin.gif
*
Probably you can enlighten us your definition of borderline? smile.gif
My father is a confirmed diabetic prior to the accident. Just out of curiosity, do you know how insulin or diabetic medication actually works to lower blood glucose? tongue.gif
stimix
post Jun 24 2013, 10:42 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(kMichelle @ Jun 24 2013, 10:33 AM)
Probably you can enlighten us your definition of borderline?  smile.gif
My father is a confirmed diabetic prior to the accident. Just out of curiosity, do you know how insulin or diabetic medication actually works to lower blood glucose?  tongue.gif
*
Just to recap. I am a diebetic since 18 i.e that was 26yrs ago. smile.gif I have tried whatever alternative medications & etc and all not working for me.. So do u think wth >25 yrs of experience I dunno how insulin & diebetic mediction works brows.gif
kMichelle
post Jun 24 2013, 11:07 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
10 posts

Joined: Jun 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 24 2013, 10:42 AM)
Just to recap. I am a diebetic since 18 i.e that was 26yrs ago.  smile.gif  I have tried whatever alternative medications & etc and all not working for me.. So do u think wth >25 yrs of experience I dunno how insulin & diebetic mediction works  brows.gif
*
Stimix, which type are you? smile.gif
stimix
post Jun 24 2013, 11:23 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(kMichelle @ Jun 24 2013, 11:07 AM)
Stimix, which type are you?  smile.gif
*
Unknown. at 1st diagnosed as type 2. Thereafter Type 1 during my Mar 2013 visit when they started me on insulin..and latest visit to replenish latest insulin stock..The doc told me type 2 again rclxub.gif
ANyway, from my own observation, I'm more on type 1.5 smile.gif
kMichelle
post Jun 25 2013, 03:06 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
10 posts

Joined: Jun 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 24 2013, 11:23 AM)
Unknown. at 1st diagnosed as type 2. Thereafter Type 1 during my Mar 2013 visit when they started me on insulin..and latest visit to replenish latest insulin stock..The doc told me type 2 again  rclxub.gif
ANyway, from my own observation, I'm more on type 1.5  smile.gif
*
hmm.gif As what I know, T1 is due to some people were born with pancreas that is not able to produce insulin (heredity). While T2, the pancreas is able to produce insulin but not all insulin were used/or not enough. Thus, insulin shot is given to people with T2 diabetes. But if this continues, the working pancreas will not produce normally since there are supplies from outside. I believe this is why your doctor not able to diagnose your type. Sometimes tell you T1 sometimes T2. Doesn't sound reliable to me tongue.gif blush.gif

For my father case, luckily we managed to get good reliable consulltation. Instead of depending on insulin shot for whole life, my dad opted for supplementation for healing (using complimentary therapy). So his T2 diabetes was reversed in just 4 months and now even without insulin shot/mediation, his blood glucose reading is 5.6 rclxms.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 25 2013, 03:17 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(kMichelle @ Jun 25 2013, 03:06 PM)
hmm.gif As what I know, T1 is due to some people were born with pancreas that is not able to produce insulin (heredity). While T2, the pancreas is able to produce insulin but not all insulin were used/or not enough. Thus, insulin shot is given to people with T2 diabetes. But if this continues, the working pancreas will not produce normally since there are supplies from outside. I believe this is why your doctor not able to diagnose your type. Sometimes tell you T1 sometimes T2. Doesn't sound reliable to me  tongue.gif  blush.gif

For my father case, luckily we managed to get good reliable consulltation. Instead of depending on insulin shot for whole life, my dad opted for supplementation for healing (using complimentary therapy). So his T2 diabetes was reversed in just 4 months and now even without insulin shot/mediation, his blood glucose reading is 5.6  rclxms.gif
*
Stimix case is the same with me.

Diagnose with Diabetes on 2003, Doctor can decide what type but since I'm young, they decided that I'm a type 1 so they prescribe me insulin. been living with insulin up till dec 2012.

In july 2012, after change of doctor, new doctor prescribe Victoza, cancel Novomix and Novorapid since both promotes appetite and maintain Levemir. My blood glucose was in control after 3 month of this new medicine regime couple with following diabetic diet. I only starts to exercise on October 2012.

by december 2012, doctor stops the Levemir since I'm having hypos.

by march 2013, stop on victoza and by april stop on metformin.

right now I don't take any medication for diabetes and my GTT shows that I'm no longer diabetic.

Preprandial 5.3
Postprandial 5.6

This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Jun 25 2013, 03:18 PM
ykl
post Jun 27 2013, 02:49 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
211 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 25 2013, 03:17 PM)
Stimix case is the same with me.

Diagnose with Diabetes on 2003, Doctor can decide what type but since I'm young, they decided that I'm a type 1 so they prescribe me insulin. been living with insulin up till dec 2012.

In july 2012, after change of doctor, new doctor prescribe Victoza, cancel Novomix and Novorapid since both promotes appetite and maintain Levemir. My blood glucose was in control after 3 month of this new medicine regime couple with following diabetic diet. I only starts to exercise on October 2012.

by december 2012, doctor stops the Levemir since I'm having hypos.

by march 2013, stop on victoza and by april stop on metformin.

right now I don't take any medication for diabetes and my GTT shows that I'm no longer diabetic.

Preprandial  5.3
Postprandial 5.6
*
means that diabetes can actually be healed if we maintain a healthy lifestyle and diet?
samuraikacang
post Jun 27 2013, 04:23 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(ykl @ Jun 27 2013, 02:49 PM)
means that diabetes can actually be healed if we maintain a healthy lifestyle and diet?
*
Some people in this forum will be fuming mad at the notion of healed but truth be told, my hb1ac tells it all. My endocrinologist reminds me that I need to keep doing what I have done, Exercise and Diabetic diet.
ykl
post Jun 27 2013, 04:30 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
211 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 27 2013, 04:23 PM)
Some people in this forum will be fuming mad at the notion of healed but truth be told, my hb1ac tells it all. My endocrinologist reminds me that I need to keep doing what I have done, Exercise and Diabetic diet.
*
at least you are back in healthy condition, congrats!
samuraikacang
post Jun 27 2013, 04:33 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(ykl @ Jun 27 2013, 04:30 PM)
at least you are back in healthy condition, congrats!
*
I'll be glad to share my diet and exercise plan and the medication regime if anyone interested.
ykl
post Jun 27 2013, 04:42 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
211 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 27 2013, 04:33 PM)
I'll be glad to share my diet and exercise plan and the medication regime if anyone interested.
*
just share it here for the benefit of all rclxms.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 27 2013, 04:45 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


can read through all the pages. I wrote before ehe

my previous medication prior to change of doctor

Novomix
Levemir
Metformin
Aspirin
Statins
Micardis

new doctor since july 2012

Levemir stopped in december 2012
Metformin stopped in April 2013
Aspirin stopped in November or October 2012 if I can recall
Statins stopped in January 2013 if I'm not mistak
Micardis stopped in December 2012
Victoza stopped in March 2013

Meal plan

July 2012 until September 2012

Change all rice diet to bread gardenia breakthru and oats
add more vege
protein intake minimal
September 2012 until now
no carbo intake thru grain
vegetables, 5 types, fruits and salmon fish 200g daily, olive oil too breakfast and lunch, dinner usually drinks milk or glucerna or fruits

exercise plan
daily 30 minutes jog X 2 morning and evening
weekend between 8km to 10km runs
weight training interval between biceps, triceps and chest
sleep early around 10 pm and wakes up at 5.30 am.
approach to life more simplistic, learn to control anger and ignore small mistakes people do like pushing u in the lrt, bumping u while walking etc.

plenty of SMILE and LAUGH with friends, family and your partner.



This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Jun 27 2013, 04:54 PM
stimix
post Jun 27 2013, 05:03 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 27 2013, 04:45 PM)
can read through all the pages. I wrote before ehe


Change all rice diet to bread gardenia breakthru and oats
add more vege
protein intake minimal
September 2012 until now
no carbo intake thru grain
vegetables, 5 types, fruits and salmon fish 200g daily, olive oil too breakfast and lunch, dinner usually drinks milk or glucerna or fruits

exercise plan
daily 30 minutes jog X 2 morning and evening
weekend between 8km to 10km runs
weight training interval between biceps, triceps and chest
sleep early around 10 pm and wakes up at 5.30 am.
approach to life more simplistic, learn to control anger and ignore small mistakes people do like pushing u in the lrt, bumping u while walking etc.

plenty of SMILE and LAUGH with friends, family and your partner.
*
Aiyooo.. Now I know why u heal liao.. SUper strict no rice diet biggrin.gif If I switch to this + exercise, I think I also can reverse liao because this type of diet & exercise was what I practised during early 20 and I yes.. my BS was normal during this strict diet + exercise for sure haha.

I cannot stand on this diebetic style lifestyle and switch back to Asian diet and once working, less exercise & once married -eat more & exercise getting lesser... So BS also gone up blush.gif

To really confirm cure or not, you must eat normally- no diebetic diet & recheck brows.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 27 2013, 05:33 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 27 2013, 05:03 PM)
Aiyooo.. Now I know why u heal liao.. SUper strict no rice diet  biggrin.gif  If I switch to this + exercise, I think I also can reverse liao because this type of diet & exercise was what I practised during early 20 and I yes.. my BS was normal during this strict diet + exercise for sure haha.

I cannot stand on this diebetic style lifestyle and switch back to Asian diet and once working, less exercise & once married -eat more & exercise getting lesser... So BS also gone up  blush.gif

To really confirm cure or not, you must eat normally- no diebetic diet & recheck  brows.gif
*
this is eat normal la

why do i need to eat like malaysia do. pagi2 makan nasi lemak tengahari 1000 kalori malam some more 1000 kalori. doesn't made sense.

i prefer to live longer healthy than have my fingers/toes/kaki/tangan amputated or worst be like my late mom have to go for dialysis every 3 times in a week.

my not normal eating last time was plate ful of rice, chicken egg less vege and another protein fish or meat. drink sweet stuff like plain water four times daily and no exercise at all. mad.gif mad.gif

itu confirm la dpt diabetes. thumbup.gif
stimix
post Jun 27 2013, 08:45 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 27 2013, 05:33 PM)
this is eat normal la

why do i need to eat like malaysia do. pagi2 makan nasi lemak tengahari 1000 kalori malam some more 1000 kalori. doesn't made sense.

i prefer to live longer healthy than have my fingers/toes/kaki/tangan amputated or worst be like my late mom have to go for dialysis every 3 times in a week.

my not normal eating last time was plate ful of rice, chicken egg less vege and another protein fish or meat. drink sweet stuff like plain water four times daily and no exercise at all. mad.gif  mad.gif

itu confirm la dpt diabetes.  thumbup.gif
*
But for really normal ppl, eating all this also will maintained at 5-6 mmol wan liao lor biggrin.gif But for diebetic esp type 2.. you eat like those normal ppl sure gone crazy wan.. Your strict diet & exercise are controlling your diabetes not that you are 100% heal laugh.gif brows.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 27 2013, 09:29 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Jun 27 2013, 08:45 PM)
But for really normal ppl, eating all this also will maintained at 5-6 mmol wan liao lor  biggrin.gif  But for diebetic esp type 2.. you eat like those normal ppl sure gone crazy wan.. Your strict diet & exercise are controlling your diabetes not that you are 100% heal  laugh.gif  brows.gif
*
ehem i did the glucose tolerance test which is what normal people drink and diabetic people would shot the Blood sugar to double digit figure. my BLOOD SUGAR remain at 5.6.


samuraikacang
post Jun 27 2013, 09:37 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


beside my vastly experience endocrinologist confirms that technically i'm no longer diabetic. rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif
stimix
post Jun 27 2013, 10:10 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Well probably by now the western trained doctors now have to agree that diabetes can be cured...hmnnnn
rjb123
post Jun 28 2013, 12:33 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


Type 2 can be cured (reversed - by diet + excersize) , as I know there is no cure for Type 1 yet (properly diagnosed Type 1 at least)

samurai, how high was your mmo//l on diagnosis?

This post has been edited by rjb123: Jun 28 2013, 12:33 AM
samuraikacang
post Jun 28 2013, 09:39 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 28 2013, 12:33 AM)
Type 2 can be cured (reversed - by diet + excersize) , as I know there is no cure for Type 1 yet (properly diagnosed Type 1 at least)

samurai, how high was your mmo//l on diagnosis?
*
the meter at the clinic display error for too high blood sugar and hospital was around 25 - 30 mmol if i can remember correctly.
rjb123
post Jun 28 2013, 04:48 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 28 2013, 09:39 AM)
the meter at the clinic display error for too high blood sugar and hospital was around 25 - 30 mmol if i can remember correctly.
*
Similar to my case - meter just read "HI" , blood measured at 38 mmol/l yawn.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 28 2013, 05:16 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 28 2013, 04:48 PM)
Similar to my case - meter just read "HI" , blood measured at 38 mmol/l  yawn.gif
*
I was obese and taking carbonated water and kopi susu like plain water
rjb123
post Jun 28 2013, 10:02 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 28 2013, 05:16 PM)
I was obese and taking carbonated water and kopi susu like plain water
*
My weight was fine (185cm, 75kg around) but damn thirsty + peeing a lot, so was drinking quite a few fruit juices / soft drinks also ... not knowing I was diabetic of course , if I had that many carbs now god knows how high my BG would go cry.gif
rjb123
post Jun 29 2013, 01:46 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


Looks like my first CGMS sensor has given up it's ghost - guaranteed for 7 days but some users reported getting up to 21 days out of one.

Got 10 days out of it and since around 10PM no readings, looks like a new one needs to go in tomorrow morning sad.gif
samuraikacang
post Jun 30 2013, 09:39 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 28 2013, 10:02 PM)
My weight was fine (185cm, 75kg around) but damn thirsty + peeing a lot, so was drinking quite a few fruit juices / soft drinks also ... not knowing I was diabetic of course , if I had that many carbs now god knows how high my BG would go  cry.gif
*
yeah same with me

i feel lethargic and drinking sweet drink makes me feel better. never thought it was diabetes symptom.
ExpZero
post Jul 1 2013, 11:11 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,522 posts

Joined: Mar 2007
From: Kuala Lumpur
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 30 2013, 09:39 PM)
yeah same with me

i feel lethargic and drinking sweet drink makes me feel better. never thought it was diabetes symptom.
*
shit....by looking at your post...I'm worry now...

Within half a year I have gain about 5-10kg, I drink a lot of sweet drink and carbohydrate to make me feel better this half year...
samuraikacang
post Jul 1 2013, 11:32 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jul 1 2013, 11:11 AM)
shit....by looking at your post...I'm worry now...

Within half a year I have gain about 5-10kg, I drink a lot of sweet drink and carbohydrate to make me feel better this half year...
*
just go to a clinic. make a quick blood glucose test. if you take lunch at 1 pm go to a clinic 2 hour after that.
ExpZero
post Jul 1 2013, 12:20 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,522 posts

Joined: Mar 2007
From: Kuala Lumpur
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jul 1 2013, 11:32 AM)
just go to a clinic. make a quick blood glucose test. if you take lunch at 1 pm go to a clinic 2 hour after that.
*
Random glucose test accurate?

Any suggestion to prevent it to happen? Stop all sugar drink? I'm scare now ohmy.gif
samuraikacang
post Jul 1 2013, 12:25 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jul 1 2013, 12:20 PM)
Random glucose test accurate?

Any suggestion to prevent it to happen? Stop all sugar drink? I'm scare now ohmy.gif
*
random glucose will be accurate to know whether you have high sugar now.

reduce sugar intake if you can but still you have to check with doctor.

don't procrastinate since any glucose level above 33 mmol can result in diabetic coma
rjb123
post Jul 1 2013, 11:46 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 30 2013, 09:39 PM)
yeah same with me

i feel lethargic and drinking sweet drink makes me feel better. never thought it was diabetes symptom.
*
Sweet drink didn't make me feel better , just didn't know I was diabetic so was drinking all sorts including many sweet drinks to keep hydrated.

I kind of diagnosed myself online and thought I might be diabetic, the doctor thought I was wrong and didn't want to test for it until I suggested.

She thought I'd been on drugs as my pupils weren't reacting to change of light (ie large pupils even when shining torch) blink.gif
samuraikacang
post Jul 2 2013, 10:13 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jul 1 2013, 11:46 PM)
Sweet drink didn't make me feel better , just didn't know I was diabetic so was drinking all sorts including many sweet drinks to keep hydrated.

I kind of diagnosed myself online and thought I might be diabetic, the doctor thought I was wrong and didn't want to test for it until I suggested.

She thought I'd been on drugs as my pupils weren't reacting to change of light (ie large pupils even when shining torch) blink.gif
*
probably old school GP who doesn't listen to patient suggestion.
60t5
post Jul 4 2013, 09:29 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
97 posts

Joined: Feb 2009


well to diagnose it is easier these days.
do a 10 -12 hours fasting sugar test, and the range should be 4-5.6mmol/L
and do another one 2 hours right after your usual meal and that should not be more than 8.8mmol/L


60t5
post Jul 4 2013, 09:30 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
97 posts

Joined: Feb 2009


other than that, u could probably do a HbA1C test every 3-6 months to get the average blood sugar for the past 90 days.

rjb123
post Jul 7 2013, 01:10 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,820 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Kuala Lumpur


Been nearly 3 weeks using CGMS so far - really think it helps me -, although my overnight patterns still seem to be a bit dodgy - think I need to try some days of eating exactly the same thing / routine to get things into check.

Sometimes the high BG alert can be annoying an hour or so after a meal as that's expected , but waking me up at night when sugar is low/dropping has definitely come in useful!

So overall happy, but at RM300 a week just for the sensors, it's expensive sad.gif
whuffy_aniki
post Jul 8 2013, 04:56 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
104 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: After Colony 197



QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 28 2013, 12:33 AM)
Type 2 can be cured (reversed - by diet + excersize) , as I know there is no cure for Type 1 yet (properly diagnosed Type 1 at least)

samurai, how high was your mmo//l on diagnosis?
*
i was reading 1 article back in 2010,they said western doctor`s are working on artificial panchreas for diabetic patient type 1,as they said normally type 1 patients problem is jez their pancreas stop working,thats why they`re using insulin pen to control the sugar within the body..

and btw,back in 2008.i get the symptom,frequently pee,until 2009,i peed every 30 minutes,very hard to go long distance places,n i get perfect ending by diabetic comma n admitted in hospital while i was in kuching in disember 2009 biggrin.gif
samuraikacang
post Aug 23 2013, 02:20 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


Had my tri monthly blood profile.

HB1AC at 5.4
Total Cholesterol 4.7
HDL 2.0
LDL 2.5
Triglycerides 0.4
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 2.4
Fasting Glucose 4.8
stimix
post Aug 25 2013, 12:31 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Aug 23 2013, 02:20 PM)
Had my tri monthly blood profile.

HB1AC at 5.4
Total Cholesterol 4.7
HDL 2.0
LDL 2.5
Triglycerides 0.4
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 2.4
Fasting Glucose 4.8
*
Wah your sugar level really damn good for the so called ex- diabetic biggrin.gif For record here's mine done in May this Year...U mean you do 3 times monthly ..walao eh.. shocking.gif

HB1AC at 7.2%
Total Cholesterol 4.6
HDL 1.17
LDL 2.96
Triglycerides 1.03
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 3.9
Fasting Glucose 7.4
popice2u
post Aug 25 2013, 12:41 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Apr 2011
go and eat lady finger (bendi)
samuraikacang
post Aug 25 2013, 08:55 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 25 2013, 12:31 PM)
Wah your sugar level really damn good for the so called ex- diabetic  biggrin.gif  For record here's mine done in May this Year...U mean you do 3 times monthly ..walao eh.. shocking.gif

HB1AC at 7.2%
Total Cholesterol 4.6
HDL 1.17
LDL 2.96
Triglycerides 1.03
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 3.9
Fasting Glucose 7.4
*
and best thing is that I dont really follow strict diet of mine.

now can eat durian without feeling guilty or drink starbucks or ais kacang but I always exercise now.

yeah i do every 3 month since the company policy cover it.
samuraikacang
post Nov 8 2013, 03:35 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


My latest blood test

HB1AC at 5.3%
Total Cholesterol 4.3
HDL 2.0
LDL 2.1
Triglycerides 0.4
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 2.2
Fasting Glucose 4.3

my haemoglobin and red blood cell has since touch normal compare to previous result since i started taking iron supplement. side effect of not taking that much of red meat.
stimix
post Nov 8 2013, 09:59 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



whoa.. that's super low...almost hypo everyday...Sure u stable throughtout the day?
samuraikacang
post Nov 9 2013, 10:27 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Nov 8 2013, 09:59 PM)
whoa.. that's super low...almost hypo everyday...Sure u stable throughtout the day?
*
yeah quite stable since I exercise everyday. no issue with hypoglycemia. energetic throughout the day.
Mr7077
post Nov 9 2013, 11:07 AM

ARsenALEternaL
******
Senior Member
1,684 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Nov 8 2013, 03:35 PM)
My latest blood test

HB1AC at 5.3%
Total Cholesterol 4.3
HDL 2.0
LDL 2.1
Triglycerides 0.4
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 2.2
Fasting Glucose 4.3

my haemoglobin and red blood cell has since touch normal compare to previous result since i started taking iron supplement. side effect of not taking that much of red meat.
*
rclxms.gif very good man !! keep it up !!...I m also taking less animal product...encourage ur friends to eat a healthy diet and exercise....Msians are extremely overweight icon_question.gif ...focus on reducing body fat and visceral fat....there are some scales that can measure that...
samuraikacang
post Nov 9 2013, 11:11 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(Mr7077 @ Nov 9 2013, 11:07 AM)
rclxms.gif very good man !! keep it up !!...I m also taking less animal product...encourage ur friends to eat a healthy diet and exercise....Msians are extremely overweight icon_question.gif ...focus on reducing body fat and visceral fat....there are some scales that can measure that...
*
if diabetic patient can reduce visceral fat, they can actually reverse their diabetic condition especially true for type 2 like myself. type 1 definitely depend on medication and whatever hopes and research they are doing now on pancreas transplant and genetic modification.
samuraikacang
post Mar 10 2014, 10:32 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


A while since this thread got update but anyhow I would like to share my latest blood test report

HB1AC at 5.1%
Total Cholesterol 4.3
HDL 1.7
LDL 2.4
Triglycerides 0.5
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 2.5
Fasting Glucose 4.1

This post has been edited by samuraikacang: Mar 10 2014, 10:32 AM
stimix
post Aug 25 2014, 11:26 AM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



Hmnn.. Got a shock this Morning while replenishing my insuling from nearby Govt clinic.

They have changed the supplier.. Previously Novo - Insulatard (Basal- night) & Actrapid (daytime) to Sanofi- Insuman Basal & Insuman rapid...same dosage..

Now looking for more info.. & indeed not easy to get
samuraikacang
post Aug 25 2014, 01:22 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 25 2014, 11:26 AM)
Hmnn.. Got a shock this Morning while replenishing my insuling from nearby Govt clinic.

They have changed the supplier.. Previously Novo - Insulatard (Basal- night) & Actrapid (daytime) to Sanofi- Insuman Basal & Insuman rapid...same dosage..

Now looking for more info.. & indeed not easy to get
*
Kinda weird since Government hospital has been using Novo Nordisk Insulin since 90's
stimix
post Aug 25 2014, 01:26 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Aug 25 2014, 01:22 PM)
Kinda weird since Government hospital has been using Novo Nordisk Insulin since 90's
*
Yeah.. Entirely new Basal & Rapid insulin.. Not much info except in sanofi websites & those brochures from those drugs info sites sad.gif ..No forum discussion found on this Ïnsuman" Seems like 1 step lower than the high end sanofi-Lantus
samuraikacang
post Aug 25 2014, 01:39 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 25 2014, 01:26 PM)
Yeah.. Entirely new Basal & Rapid insulin.. Not much info except in sanofi websites & those brochures from those drugs info sites  sad.gif ..No forum discussion found on this Ïnsuman" Seems like 1 step lower than the high end sanofi-Lantus
*
Insuman and Insulatard/Atrapid should be on par since both have the Isophane ingredient making them human insulin which is cheaper i guess than analogue insulin.

Lantus is analogue insulin which is more expensive(?) and on par with Novo nordisk Novorapid, Levemir and government hospital don't carry them. I guess we can only get cheap insulin at government hospital.
stimix
post Aug 25 2014, 01:48 PM

Dunno
Group Icon
Moderator
3,542 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Puchong, Selangor



QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Aug 25 2014, 01:39 PM)
Insuman and Insulatard/Atrapid should be on par since both have the Isophane ingredient making them human insulin which is cheaper i guess than analogue insulin.

Lantus is analogue insulin which is more expensive(?) and on par with Novo nordisk Novorapid, Levemir and government hospital don't carry them. I guess we can only get cheap insulin at government hospital.
*
Haha. Probably novo also increase their price that resulted in the sudden switch. Nevertheless almost free drugs from govt.. and since it's works on me should complain much. I will only be using the new insulin in 1.5 mth time bcos still having old stocks of novo smile.gif
Better Life
post Aug 27 2014, 05:35 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
44 posts

Joined: Aug 2013
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Jun 27 2013, 04:45 PM)
Meal plan

July 2012 until September 2012
Change all rice diet to bread gardenia breakthru and oats
add more vege
protein intake minimal

September 2012 until now
no carbo intake thru grain
vegetables, 5 types, fruits and salmon fish 200g daily, olive oil too breakfast and lunch, dinner usually drinks milk or glucerna or fruits
*
Your story is very inspiring notworthy.gif

I've also read of cases in the West where diabetes type 2 can be reversed thru diet and exercise.

Mind sharing what types of vegetables and fruits do you take and in what amount?

Regarding the oats that u took earlier, is it instant, quick cook or rolled? And is the milk you drink low fat?

A sample menu will be helpful.
samuraikacang
post Aug 27 2014, 07:59 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(Better Life @ Aug 27 2014, 05:35 PM)
Your story is very inspiring  notworthy.gif

I've also read of cases in the West where diabetes type 2 can be reversed thru diet and exercise.

Mind sharing what types of vegetables and fruits do you take and in what amount?

Regarding the oats that u took earlier, is it instant, quick cook or rolled? And is the milk you drink low fat?

A sample menu will be helpful.
*
Romaine Lettuce 6 Leaves X 2 meals
Yellow capsicum 1 handful chopped X 2 meals
Brocolli 1 handful X 2 meals
Cherry Tomato 6 X 2 meals
Cucumber 10 slices X 2 meals
Button Mushroom 2 medium size X 2 meals
Salmon 55g X 2 meals


2 meals for breakfast and lunch

I eat 2 boiled eggs and 1 cup of chick peas with extra virgin olive oil as dressing

rolled oat preferably and fresh milk since fat or not fat doesn't affect me much.
Better Life
post Aug 28 2014, 03:00 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
44 posts

Joined: Aug 2013
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Aug 27 2014, 07:59 PM)
Romaine Lettuce 6 Leaves X 2 meals
Yellow capsicum 1 handful chopped X 2 meals
Brocolli 1 handful X 2 meals
Cherry Tomato 6 X 2 meals
Cucumber 10 slices X 2 meals
Button Mushroom 2 medium size X 2 meals
Salmon 55g X 2 meals
2 meals for breakfast and lunch

I eat 2 boiled eggs and 1 cup of chick peas with extra virgin olive oil as dressing

rolled oat preferably and fresh milk since fat or not fat doesn't affect me much.
*
I see. Thanks for the info. So the menu is the same every day?

May I know what fruits do you take and in what amount?

Personally I'm wary of fruits since some like bananas and mangoes are high in carbs and sugars. Occasionally I take an apple or a guava, and am toying with trying out grapefruit.

I'm not a diabetic but several 6 months ago, a blood test showed my blood sugar (HB1AC and fasting) is right at the border between "normal" and "pre-diabetic". Since then, with diet changes (cut down on white rice by 50% and replace it with veggies, and avoid all desserts and sweet drinks and most fruits) and moderate exercise, fasting is 4.8-5.4 range and 2 hours post-meal is 4.7-6.4 (with one exception of one carb-heavy meal of vietnamese rice paper rolls, fish bites fried in thick batter and mee goreng sotong which spiked it to 7.2 for several hours).

My doctor said my blood sugar is "normal" and fluctuations do occur, but personally I'm not so sure hmm.gif
samuraikacang
post Aug 28 2014, 12:16 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(Better Life @ Aug 28 2014, 03:00 AM)
I see. Thanks for the info. So the menu is the same every day?

May I know what fruits do you take and in what amount?

Personally I'm wary of fruits since some like bananas and mangoes are high in carbs and sugars. Occasionally I take an apple or a guava, and am toying with trying out grapefruit.

I'm not a diabetic but several 6 months ago, a blood test showed my blood sugar (HB1AC and fasting) is right at the border between "normal" and "pre-diabetic". Since then, with diet changes (cut down on white rice by 50% and replace it with veggies, and avoid all desserts and sweet drinks and most fruits) and moderate exercise, fasting is 4.8-5.4 range and 2 hours post-meal is 4.7-6.4 (with one exception of one carb-heavy meal of vietnamese rice paper rolls, fish bites fried in thick batter and mee goreng sotong which spiked it to 7.2 for several hours).

My doctor said my blood sugar is "normal" and fluctuations do occur, but personally I'm not so sure  hmm.gif
*
I usually take kiwi fruit, apple and bananas. Yeah I know bananas is considered bad fruit for diabetes but since I exercise daily and frequent, eating bananas doesn't affect my blood sugar. Kiwi is a good fruit and it has lower Glycaemic Index but it is expensive so a bit of luxury in eating them.

I've been eating the same thing for the last two years and it works for me. I can't guarantee it will work for others. I do sometimes eat other than my usual diet but I don't binge. Just eat them to satisfy the taste bud.
SUSTham
post Sep 1 2014, 10:19 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007



A molecular connection of Pterocarpus marsupium, Eugenia jambolana and
Gymnema sylvestre with dipeptidyl peptidase-4 in the treatment of diabetes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24074231



Alzheimer's has been called ''Type 3 Diabetes''.

Dipeptidyl peptidase-4 inhibition by Pterocarpus marsupium and
Eugenia jambolana ameliorates streptozotocin induced Alzheimer's disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24667360



Antidiabetic and antiulcer effects of extract of Eugenia jambolana seed in
mild diabetic rats: study on gastric mucosal offensive acid-pepsin secretion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20112817



Natural Remedies for Diabetes.

http://www.healthkhazana.com/natural-remedies-diabetes/




Health Benefits of Eugenia Jambolana.

http://www.healthbenefitstimes.com/health-...enia-jambolana/




A pharmacological appraisal of medicinal plants with antidiabetic potential.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3283954/




Indian herbs and herbal drugs used for the treatment of diabetes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2275761/




Traditional Indian Medicines Used for the Management of Diabetes Mellitus

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jdr/2013/712092/





ngaisteve1
post Sep 2 2014, 10:43 AM

Software Engineer
*******
Senior Member
6,779 posts

Joined: Dec 2005
From: Kuala Lumpur


In short, I would say that aim for low Glycemic Index (GI) food.

The glycemic index, or GI, measures how a carbohydrate-containing food raises blood glucose. Foods are ranked based on how they compare to a reference food — either glucose or white bread.

A food with a high GI raises blood glucose more than a food with a medium or low GI.

Meal planning with the GI involves choosing foods that have a low or medium GI. If eating a food with a high GI, you can combine it with low GI foods to help balance the meal.

Examples of carbohydrate-containing foods with a low GI include dried beans and legumes (like kidney beans and lentils), all non-starchy vegetables, some starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes, most fruit, and many whole grain breads and cereals (like barley, whole wheat bread, rye bread, and all-bran cereal).

Meats and fats don’t have a GI because they do not contain carbohydrate.

Below are examples of foods based on their GI.

Low GI Foods (55 or less):

- 100% stone-ground whole wheat or pumpernickel bread
- Oatmeal (rolled or steel-cut), oat bran, muesli
- Pasta, converted rice, barley, bulgar
- Sweet potato, corn, yam, lima/butter beans, peas, legumes and lentils
- Most fruits, non-starchy vegetables and carrots

Medium GI (56-69):

- Whole wheat, rye and pita bread
- Quick oats
- Brown, wild or basmati rice, couscous

High GI (70 or more):

- White bread or bagel
- Corn flakes, puffed rice, bran flakes, instant oatmeal
- Shortgrain white rice, rice pasta, macaroni and cheese from mix
- Russet potato, pumpkin
- Pretzels, rice cakes, popcorn, saltine crackers
- melons and pineapple

For more info: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/f...h.zIxPCUyT.dpuf

SUStlts
post Sep 3 2014, 06:51 AM

pee poo pee poo
******
Senior Member
1,891 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
From: Cheras
hi.would like to ask....can we use a novafine needle thats written 4/2014 (not sure is manufacturing date or expire date)
do needle got expired?or still safe to use?

user posted image

just come back from clinic....docter advice can use but only ONCE them discard it (just to share icon_rolleyes.gif )

This post has been edited by tlts: Sep 3 2014, 01:39 PM
SUSTham
post Sep 4 2014, 12:33 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007


Syzygium cumini and the regeneration of
insulin positive cells from the pancreatic duct.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1413-...ipt=sci_arttext



Vanadyl Sulfate Treatment Stimulates Proliferation and
Regeneration of Beta Cells in Pancreatic Islets.

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jdr/2014/540242/



Therapeutic potential of pterostilbene against pancreatic
beta-cell apoptosis mediated through Nrf2.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24417315



A review of pterostilbene antioxidant activity and disease modification.

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2013/575482/




The other herb with a reputaton of regenerating the pancrea's
beta islet cells is Pterocarpus marsupium, the Indian Kino tree,
commonly used in Ayurvedic diabetic formulations, such as
that by Himalaya.

Pterostilbene is a component of Pterocarpus marsupium.




nikita zuleica
post Sep 20 2014, 10:00 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010




user posted image
nikita zuleica
post Sep 20 2014, 11:07 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010




GI way to managing diabetes

25 August 2014

By Meena Sreenivasan


QUOTE
An endocrinologist tells Meena Sreenivasan how to manage low blood sugar through balanced carbohydrate consumption

IF you have diabetes, the glycaemic index (GI) is one tool to note when determining your diet. People with diabetes commonly use the GI as a guide for selecting foods, especially carbohydrates.

The GI measures how quickly blood sugar levels rise after eating a particular type of food.

Although diabetes control programmes are available, there is still lack of awareness about hypoglycaemia and weight gain — the two most common barriers for diabetic patients when achieving optimum glycaemic control.

“Many people are unaware that they have diabetes until a complication develops. Diabetes complications are numerous, sometimes extremely frightening and life-threatening,” says senior consultant endocrinologist Dr Zanariah Hussein during a recent media workshop aimed at educating type-2 diabetes patients on blood sugar levels and weight gain.

“Early detection of symptoms can significantly reduce the risk of developing complication from diabetes, so, it is important to provide diabetes prevention education.”

Adverse Effects

For those with type-2 diabetes, hypoglycaemia is a common adverse effect of some oral anti-hyperglycemic agents, principally the insulin treatment. It occurs when the level of glucose in the blood drops too low for the body’s needs.

While some hypoglycaemic episodes are mild, others can be severe and costly. If left untreated, it can lead to serious medical problems including loss of consciousness, convulsions or seizures.

“GI measures how a carbohydrate-containing food raises blood glucose. Foods are ranked based on how they compare to a reference food like white bread or white rice,”

“Food with a high GI raises blood glucose more than a food with a medium or low GI,” she says.

Patients are advised to consume more foods with lower GI as it won’t stress the pancreas to produce more insulin.

Theoretically, she says, it is a difficult concept to teach patients to count carbohydrates when they consume food.

“For one thing, although some food labels give a general idea if they have lower GI, most foods are not ranked by GI.

Packaged foods don’t generally list their GI ranking on the label and it can be hard to estimate what it might be. Still, the basic principles of GI may help you better manage and control your blood sugar,” says Dr Zanariah who adds that meal planning with GI involves choosing foods that have a low or medium GI.

High GI food should be combined with low GI ones to balance blood glucose levels.

“Many nutritious foods have a higher GI than foods with little nutritional value. For example, oatmeal has higher GI than chocolate,” she says.

“Other low GI foods include high-fibre foods such as dried beans, lentils, and legumes like kidney beans, non-starchy vegetables and some starchy vegetable, most fruits, whole grain breads, whole wheat bread, rye bread and all-bran cereal.”

Insulin Resistance

According to the World Health Organisation, weight gain may result in insulin resistance.

So progressive weight gain in diabetics may contribute to eventual deterioration of glycaemia control over time as many diabetics are already overweight, if not obese, and are prone to obesity-related cardiovascular risks.

“One way in which we get patients to control their glucose levels is through higher consumption of fibre. For example, if you take high fibre bread, in one hour, your glucose level rises but not to the point that it stresses the system. The higher the fibre, the lesser the glucose elevation.” she says.

“As you get older, the risk of diabetes increases. We need to educate the public that if certain people have risk factors, it is advisable to be screened,” she says.

“There is a high rate of undetected diabetes which has doubled in five years. More active screening programmes need to be planned as the diabetes prevalence in Malaysia has almost doubled in the last decade, and reached the international estimates for 2030 already (which is 19 years earlier)”.

Glycaemic Index Diet

Possible benefits
Lowers blood sugar level.
Helps regulate blood sugar level throughout the day, which may reduce the risk of insulin resistance.
Reduces the need for diabetes medication.
Controls appetite and delays hunger pangs. This may help with weight management.

Potential problems
Focuses on single food items rather than food combinations which can impact blood sugar differently.
Doesn’t consider all variables that affect blood sugar, such as how food is prepared or how much is eaten.
Only includes foods that contain carbohydrates.
Doesn’t rank food based on nutrient content — food with a low GI ranking may be high in calories, sugar or saturated fat.

Source: www.mayoclinic.com

Factors that affect GI

Ripeness and storage duration: The more ripe a fruit or vegetable, the higher the GI.
Processing: Juices have higher GI than whole fruit, mashed potato rather than whole baked potato have higher GI, stone ground whole wheat bread has lower GI than whole wheat bread.
Variety: Long-grain white rice has a lower GI than brown rice but short-grain white rice has a higher GI than brown rice.

Tips for GI Diet

Choose high-fibre foods such as whole grains, legumes, fruit and vegetables.
Choose fresh foods over processed foods.

GI or Carbohydrate Counting?

There is no single diet or meal plan that works for all diabetics. The important thing is to follow a meal plan that is tailored to personal preferences and lifestyle and helps achieve goals for blood glucose, cholesterol and triglycerides levels, blood pressure, and weight management.
Research shows that both the amount and the type of carbohydrate in food affect blood glucose levels. Studies also show that the total amount of carbohydrate in food, in general, is a stronger predictor of blood glucose response than the GI.

Based on research, for most people with diabetes, the first tool for managing blood glucose is some type of carbohydrate counting.

Balancing total carbohydrate intake with physical activity and diabetes pills or insulin is key to managing blood glucose levels.

Because the type of carbohydrate does have an effect on blood glucose, using GI may be helpful in fine-tuning blood glucose management.

In other words, combined with carbohydrate counting, the GI may provide an additional benefit for achieving blood glucose goals for individuals who can and want to put extra effort into monitoring their food choices.

Source: www.diabetes.org
rmage
post Feb 5 2015, 02:54 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: May 2009
Hi,

Anyone using the insulin pump, Medtronic Paradigm Veo model? Am thinking of switching to the pump due to my blood glucose is getting hard to control even not taking sugar and limited carbo.
plumberly
post Feb 23 2015, 01:53 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,761 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: My house


Can one lose one's medical insurance once one is confirmed as a diabetes?

My wife's annual lab result showed a higher glucose level and doctor says it is type II.

Anyone here has recovered or knows someone who has, with better food control and exercise, especially in the early stage?

Thanks.
samuraikacang
post Feb 23 2015, 02:22 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 23 2015, 01:53 PM)
Can one lose one's medical insurance once one is confirmed as a diabetes?

My wife's annual lab result showed a higher glucose level and doctor says it is type II.

Anyone here has recovered or knows someone who has, with better food control and exercise, especially in the early stage?

Thanks.
*
I managed to reverse my type II diabetes by watching my diet and exercising regularly. If you wife is obese or overweight, a good time to lose some weight. Weight loss promotes better blood circulation and reduce visceral fat.
plumberly
post Feb 23 2015, 02:34 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,761 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: My house


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Feb 23 2015, 02:22 PM)
I managed to reverse my type II diabetes by watching my diet and exercising regularly. If you wife is obese or overweight, a good time to lose some weight. Weight loss promotes better blood circulation and reduce visceral fat.
*
Good to hear that.

My wife's BMI is on the lower end of the healthy range. So not over weight.

How long did it take for you to get out of this type II race?

What are your 3 must do things for recovery (type of food to eat, exercise duration, etc)?

Many thanks.
samuraikacang
post Feb 23 2015, 02:41 PM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 23 2015, 02:34 PM)
Good to hear that.

My wife's BMI is on the lower end of the healthy range. So not over weight.

How long did it take for you to get out of this type II race?

What are your 3 must do things for recovery (type of food to eat, exercise duration, etc)?

Many thanks.
*
i basically take less carbohydrate, more good fats and adequate protein based on optimum weight calculation.

I exercise daily. mostly doing cardio exercise like brisk walking or jogging/running.

my diet loosely based on Dr Rosedale diet

http://drrosedale.com/
plumberly
post Feb 23 2015, 03:15 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,761 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: My house


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Feb 23 2015, 02:41 PM)
i basically take less carbohydrate, more good fats and adequate protein based on optimum weight calculation.

I exercise daily. mostly doing cardio exercise like brisk walking or jogging/running.

my diet loosely based on Dr Rosedale diet

http://drrosedale.com/
*
Noted and many thanks.

SUSTham
post Feb 24 2015, 10:20 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,576 posts

Joined: May 2007
QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Feb 23 2015, 06:41 AM)
i basically take less carbohydrate, more good fats and adequate protein based on optimum weight calculation.

I exercise daily. mostly doing cardio exercise like brisk walking or jogging/running.

my diet loosely based on Dr Rosedale diet

http://drrosedale.com/
*
Barry Sear's Zone Diet, or the 40/30/30 diet, is also an anti-diabetic diet.


Since it reduces insulin resistance, it is also considered an anti-aging diet.

Quite a number of celebrities - Madonna, Martin Sheen,
Jennifer Anniston, Sandra Bullock - are following it.


http://www.zonediet.com/





Mechanisms of Aging: The Central Aging Clock


'' In one study, glucose tolerance and insulin action were investigated in Italian
centenarians (persons over 100 years old). It was found that in centenarians
both these parameters were at the same level as in adults under 50, and better
than in elderly under 75. This indicates that centenarians had only a minimal
shift in their energy homeostasis (i.e. a very slow central aging clock), which
may have contributed to their longevity. ''



Acceleration of the central aging clock is associated with : Insulin excess

Slow down of the central aging clock is associated with : Optimal insulin release


http://www.smartskincare.com/aging/aging-m...tral-clock.html




'' ..... insulin directs all the biochemical processes that
lead to plaque formation in arteries. ''


'' Since insulin resistance is connected to degenerative diseases, and since
insulin resistance occurs naturally in the aging process, degenerative
diseases of aging have to be linked to the aging process. ''


'' ..... the degenerative diseases of aging (which are the end result of insulin resistance) ....''


http://www.schwarzbeinprinciple.com/pgs/dr...sp_I_intro.html





This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 24 2015, 10:41 PM
samuraikacang
post Feb 24 2015, 11:54 AM

You tak suka You Keluar
*****
Senior Member
710 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
From: Kuala Lumpur


QUOTE(Tham @ Feb 24 2015, 10:20 AM)
Barry Sear's Zone Diet, or the 40/30/30 diet is also
an anti-diabetic diet.
*
I believe it is based on Mediterranean Diet
ngaisteve1
post Mar 4 2015, 12:37 PM

Software Engineer
*******
Senior Member
6,779 posts

Joined: Dec 2005
From: Kuala Lumpur


Extract from my blog on how Lingzhi as effective anti-diabetic agent :

After a clinical test, Lingzhi shown to be effective antidiabetic agent by enhancing insulin secretion and decreasing hepatic glucose output along with increase of adipose and skeletal muscle glucose disposal in the late stage of diabetes [1].

In another clinical test, it was concluded that ganoderma have an antihyperglycemic effect. The possible mechanism of this antihyperglycemic effect is that Gl-PS might increase the renewal of beta cells in the pancreas or permit the recovery of partially destroyed beta cells and stimulates pancreatic insulin secretion [2].

Lingzhi also inhibits alpha-glucosidase, the chief enzyme responsible for digesting starches into sugars [3]. This prevents the sharp after-meal spike of blood glucose [4].

The interesting and amazing part is it can treat Type 1 Diabetes too.

For more info you can check it out at http://www.akusihat.com/diabetes-mellitus-...-kencing-manis/


g0ldeneye
post Dec 29 2020, 02:02 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
45 posts

Joined: Oct 2004


Hi, Been 6 years since your last post, would be good to know how has your progress been.


QUOTE(samuraikacang @ Feb 23 2015, 02:22 PM)
I managed to reverse my type II diabetes by watching my diet and exercising regularly. If you wife is obese or overweight, a good time to lose some weight. Weight loss promotes better blood circulation and reduce visceral fat.
*
Skylinestar
post Jan 7 2024, 09:36 PM

Mega Duck
********
All Stars
10,469 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Sarawak
Below is my HbA1c reading:

Jan 2023:
5.8 % in NGSP units
40 mmol/mol in SI units

Dec 2023:
5.2 % in NGSP units
33 mmol/mol in SI units

Diagnostic values in Malaysian adults:
< 5.7 or <39 Normal
5.7-6.2 or 39-44 *Prediabetes
>6.3 or >45 T2DM

I was extremely worried in Jan. Should I worry now? Should I worry in the long run?

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0896sec    0.41    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 27th November 2025 - 12:45 PM