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post Apr 18 2012, 12:29 PM, updated 14y ago

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Now that we've discovered the Preve isn't so impressive owing to the factors below:
1) Unresponsive below 2k RPM
2) Loud engine noise
3) Interior quality

Is it still worth the price of RM73k as compared to Peugeot 207 and Vios J Spec?

Or is it better to squeeze my wallet for every drop of blood to get a proven big CC car - Inspira or Forte?

Or just screw anything above RM70k and get the dreaded MyVi?
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post Apr 18 2012, 12:33 PM

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post Apr 18 2012, 12:35 PM

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lol, got vios J voted somemore, 4air bag+esc+EBD VS 1air bag and ripp off safety, lol tongue.gif
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post Apr 18 2012, 12:50 PM

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I want to trust Proton again but upon looking at the welding finish on all 4 doors....it turned me off immediately.
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Go for the godlike myvi.
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post Apr 18 2012, 12:54 PM

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How about honda city? Saga flx?
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:02 PM

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for 73k i think its worth it..but if the price same as forte..nope!
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:15 PM

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have u tried pug 207 TS?
i personally tried at juru. and to make that thing move u got to slam the pedal like crazy.
and four speed 'box. u have got to be kidding me.

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post Apr 18 2012, 01:20 PM

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Preve (RM73k)
Peugeot 207 (RM72k) conventional gearbox, slow like shit
Vios J Spec (RM76k) - apa pun tarak doh.gif
MyVi 1.5 (RM56k) - small car, yet too expensive

Out or price range
Inspira 2.0 (RM92k)
Forte 2.0 (RM98k)

So what do u think?
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM

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vios...
u never go wrong with it...

good features...
excellent handling...
superb chassis...

and best of all, its a toyota... wont have problem at all...
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM

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may i suggest viva. cheap and save the environment some more.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
vios...
u never go wrong with it...

good features...
excellent handling...
superb chassis...

and best of all, its a toyota... wont have problem at all...
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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
vios...
u never go wrong with it...

good features...
excellent handling...
superb chassis...

and best of all, its a toyota... wont have problem at all...
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dunno if trolling or serious. biggrin.gif

but im afraid the preve will be another over-hyped piece of half-hearted work.
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
vios...
u never go wrong with it...

good features...
excellent handling...
superb chassis...

and best of all, its a toyota... wont have problem at all...
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haha.. good features?.. excellent handling?.. superb chassis?.. this is what we called supporting blindly... whistling.gif
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:43 PM

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post Apr 18 2012, 01:44 PM

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how bad is Preve?
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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Apr 18 2012, 01:42 PM)
haha.. good features?.. excellent handling?.. superb chassis?.. this is what we called supporting blindly...  whistling.gif
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or successful trolling..

but i wouldnt risk being the first batch of owners of the Preve, if i were TS.

alot of features, = most likely more problems.
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post Apr 18 2012, 01:45 PM

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Forte 1.6sx only rm78800 . Srsly Preve 73k ?
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QUOTE(Breaktru @ Apr 18 2012, 01:45 PM)
Forte 1.6sx only rm78800 . Srsly Preve 73k ?
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Yes. 73k with 1.6T no plain 1.6
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 18 2012, 12:50 PM)
I want to trust Proton again but upon looking at the welding finish on all 4 doors....it turned me off immediately.
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Diamondbar...is that u?
or u didn't research other car also have this or not??


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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Apr 18 2012, 12:35 PM)
lol, got vios J voted somemore, 4air bag+esc+EBD VS 1air bag and ripp off safety, lol tongue.gif
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i'm suprised to see vios J too
considering he "said" preve isn't worthed...LOL

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Hahahaha, based on votes, Proton Preve + Inspira > all others!
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I will mention again....

Proton Preve looks nice and sound nice on paper. The exact product still clueless but based on pass experience of Proton....


It is wise that u buy the second or third batch of Proton Preve becoz MOST LIKELY they will have some MINOR problem with all their new product.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 02:42 PM)
I will mention again....

Proton Preve looks nice and sound nice on paper. The exact product still clueless but based on pass experience of Proton....
It is wise that u buy the second or third batch of Proton Preve becoz MOST LIKELY they will have some MINOR problem with all their new product.
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i can comment on iafm+, it is fine in saga flx

cfe+cvt, seems fine in exora..

just interior /exterior plastic and other small mechanical stuffs quality are still unknown

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when 2nd batch will come out? thinking of buying WXW198* for her sad.gif
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tebo engine not reliablrle. vios J la best
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QUOTE(cahayamalamku @ Apr 18 2012, 02:50 PM)
when 2nd batch will come out? thinking of buying WXW198* for her sad.gif
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if u book now...or be4 launch...you're entitled to 1st batch
if u book like 3 weeks to 1 month later...thn most probably is 2nd batch
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QUOTE(RayLaguna @ Apr 18 2012, 12:29 PM)
Now that we've discovered the Preve isn't so impressive owing to the factors below:
1) Unresponsive below 2k RPM
2) Loud engine noise
3) Interior quality

Is it still worth the price of RM73k as compared to Peugeot 207 and Vios J Spec?

Or is it better to squeeze my wallet for every drop of blood to get a proven big CC car - Inspira or Forte?

Or just screw anything above RM70k and get the dreaded MyVi?
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mind to elaborate what do u mean by unresponsive? at least the peak torque starts at 2000rpm compared to normal cps at 4500. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 18 2012, 03:04 PM)

mind to elaborate what do u mean by unresponsive? at least the peak torque starts at 2000rpm compared to normal cps at 4500. rclxm9.gif
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Go test drive bro... Everyone have diff feel rclxms.gif
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how to compare vios j(kosong) or outdated peugeot 207 to preve?
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 18 2012, 03:04 PM)
mind to elaborate what do u mean by unresponsive? at least the peak torque starts at 2000rpm compared to normal cps at 4500. rclxm9.gif
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possible due to 1.6 engine.... the turbine not yet spool , and the rubber band effect of CVT, thus unresponsive.
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:08 PM)
possible due to 1.6 engine.... the turbine not yet spool , and the rubber band effect of CVT, thus unresponsive.
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kinda agree with cvt
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post Apr 18 2012, 03:11 PM

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Vios is da best? Eventho i own vios s, feel like cheap tho.. Bad NVH, average handling compare to wira 1.6 and now can consider outdated spec..
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 18 2012, 03:04 PM)
mind to elaborate what do u mean by unresponsive? at least the peak torque starts at 2000rpm compared to normal cps at 4500. rclxm9.gif
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becuz he doesn't know...he just drive
he thought the turbo kicks in once he step on it
he doesn't know...be4 2k RPM, its NA 1.6 after all
if he got see the brochure..already stated 205nM(2k-4k RPM)
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u can buy anything under the sky & on top of the earth BUT PROTON. never have i heard of anyone said its worth owing one.

trust me, the quality of welding is a big let down. engin performance...giosh!!! neither it here nor there
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No way!! Please dont buy Preve....BMW 7 series much more quality than proton!!
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preve only 1.6..should compare with forte 1.6 (Rm85.5K) instead of forte 2.0
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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Apr 18 2012, 01:42 PM)
haha.. good features?.. excellent handling?.. superb chassis?.. this is what we called supporting blindly...  whistling.gif
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You didn't catch him. He is just being sarcastic smile.gif

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 02:00 PM)
Diamondbar...is that u?
or u didn't research other car also have this or not??
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No ler, not him. Take picture is taken by me and posted in my blog

Anyways, coming back to topic, I find the price range to be really huge. It really depends on priority, I feel. Test drive is a definite must before considering the spec sheet.

In terms of sheer value for money, I take the Preve. Since I place comfort as a priority, the large cabin space (more comfort for rear passengers for long distance drives) and superior NVH (you really won't notice the speed you're travelling in unless u look at the meter) wins high marks for me. I don't zip around in high speeds too much but it's good to know overtaking on B roads can be done confidently.

In summary:-

Peugeot 207 - space restriction, heavy steering
Vios J spec - compromised safety
Inspira 2.0 - arguably a good choice too but space and spec wise, Preve wins, not to mention a lot cheaper
Forte 2.0 - Preve trumps rear comfort and space
Myvi 1.5 - Not really a sedan so I won't consider this as an option
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 03:12 PM)
becuz he doesn't know...he just drive
he thought the turbo kicks in once he step on it
he doesn't know...be4 2k RPM, its NA 1.6 after all
if he got see the brochure..already stated 205nM(2k-4k RPM)
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seriously that 1k rpm before turbo spools does it take that long to reach 2k rpm? i haven't go test drive yet but based on my previous (10 years) experiences with turbo cars, 1k rpm of turbo lag / sluggishness isn't THAT bad. but this is just my 2 cents, need to test drive first to see. at least u won't have to suffer the crappy underpowered and unresponsiveness of the vios on ALL the rev range

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Apr 18 2012, 02:49 PM)
i can comment on iafm+, it is fine in saga flx

cfe+cvt, seems fine in exora..

just interior /exterior plastic and other small mechanical stuffs quality are still unknown
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my friends first batch Exora Bold first three months engine suddenly shut down.... send back to service center dunno what happen.... then he regreted.... he said he should not give Proton chance at all... should have listen to me to buy the later batch car instead of becoming the guinea pig or should i said QC OFFICER of Proton.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Apr 18 2012, 03:18 PM)
seriously that 1k rpm before turbo spools does it take that long to reach 2k rpm?  i haven't go test drive yet but based on my previous (10 years) experiences with turbo cars, 1k rpm of turbo lag / sluggishness isn't THAT bad.  but this is just my 2 cents, need to test drive first to see.  at least u won't have to suffer the crappy underpowered and unresponsiveness of the vios on ALL the rev range
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Different expectations, especially for those who are unfamiliar with turbo. Maybe you go test drive one and let us know how it compares to your experience?


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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:20 PM)
my friends first batch Exora Bold first three months engine suddenly shut down.... send back to service center dunno what happen.... then he regreted.... he said he should not give Proton chance at all... should have listen to me to buy the later batch car instead of becoming the guinea pig or should i said QC OFFICER of Proton.
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Your friend might have a lose battery terminal courtesy of lousy dealers, not neccesarily Proton.

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QUOTE(kenso77 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:17 PM)
No ler, not him. Take picture is taken by me and posted in my blog

Anyways, coming back to topic, I find the price range to be really huge. It really depends on priority, I feel. Test drive is a definite must before considering the spec sheet.

In terms of sheer value for money, I take the Preve. Since I place comfort as a priority, the large cabin space (more comfort for rear passengers for long distance drives) and superior NVH (you really won't notice the speed you're travelling in unless u look at the meter) wins high marks for me. I don't zip around in high speeds too much but it's good to know overtaking on B roads can be done confidently.

In summary:-

Peugeot 207 - space restriction, heavy steering
Vios J spec - compromised safety
Inspira 2.0 - arguably a good choice too but space and spec wise, Preve wins, not to mention a lot cheaper
Forte 2.0 - Preve trumps rear comfort and space
Myvi 1.5 - Not really a sedan so I won't consider this as an option
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if u want an inspira...u can take that as well
in paper, its more expensive than preve but inspira can get big discount from SA
making it somewhat very near price to preve
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Apr 18 2012, 03:18 PM)
seriously that 1k rpm before turbo spools does it take that long to reach 2k rpm?  i haven't go test drive yet but based on my previous (10 years) experiences with turbo cars, 1k rpm of turbo lag / sluggishness isn't THAT bad.  but this is just my 2 cents, need to test drive first to see.  at least u won't have to suffer the crappy underpowered and unresponsiveness of the vios on ALL the rev range
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i think its different perception and how we all drive(all different style driving)
i haven't test drive this yet
but for newer gen proton, the min requirement for changing gear is 2k RPM...from what i heard from EB owner also keeping the RPM around 2k as well when pick up
i think its not a problem la..not sure abt others(i dn't see any EB owner complaining abt that also)
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 02:42 PM)
I will mention again....

Proton Preve looks nice and sound nice on paper. The exact product still clueless but based on pass experience of Proton....
It is wise that u buy the second or third batch of Proton Preve becoz MOST LIKELY they will have some MINOR problem with all their new product.
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Well, it's just like software. The product will be improved/updated in later versions. Hope proton will iron out all the problems in later batch or in Preve hatchback.

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:20 PM)
my friends first batch Exora Bold first three months engine suddenly shut down.... send back to service center dunno what happen.... then he regreted.... he said he should not give Proton chance at all... should have listen to me to buy the later batch car instead of becoming the guinea pig or should i said QC OFFICER of Proton.
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thats NOT proton's problem
its your friend's SA problem...he didn't tighten the battery connector back(when its loosen back at the stockyard)
the fix is simple but mechanic in SC most dn't know how to fix cuz they're not trained to fix this
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Bro! Dont need to consider at all! Buy Vios J spec bro!!!!

Its a Toyota... hence sure super built quality! Dependable! Resale value like GOLD! And instant face with your relatives/friends for driving a TOYOTA!!
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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Apr 18 2012, 03:14 PM)
u can buy anything under the sky & on top of the earth BUT PROTON. never have i heard of anyone said its worth owing one.

trust me, the quality of welding is a big let down. engin performance...giosh!!! neither it here nor there
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HEAR THIS , I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON IN THIS WORLD TO TELL YOU , I FEEL IT IS WORTH TO OWN A PROTON EVEN THOUGH I OWN THE CHEAPEST CAR OF PROTON
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 03:28 PM)
Bro! Dont need to consider at all! Buy Vios J spec bro!!!!

Its a Toyota... hence sure super built quality! Dependable! Resale value like GOLD! And instant face with your relatives/friends for driving a TOYOTA!!
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Vios J is the best don't you think? I rather dump all the money to buy Vios J than getting Proton. Ptui!!
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 03:28 PM)
Bro! Dont need to consider at all! Buy Vios J spec bro!!!!

Its a Toyota... hence sure super built quality! Dependable! Resale value like GOLD! And instant face with your relatives/friends for driving a TOYOTA!!
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QUOTE(Number92 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:32 PM)
HEAR THIS , I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON IN THIS WORLD TO TELL YOU , I FEEL IT IS WORTH TO OWN A PROTON EVEN THOUGH I OWN THE CHEAPEST CAR OF PROTON
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nah, you won't be the first person to tell that, yet won't be the last. those who says that will say invest in property better.

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 03:28 PM)
thats NOT proton's problem
its your friend's SA problem...he didn't tighten the battery connector back(when its loosen back at the stockyard)
the fix is simple but mechanic in SC most dn't know how to fix cuz they're not trained to fix this
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he has already resolve the problem already.

I wont said this is not a problem of PROTON. First of all to us normal consumer will only think that those SA also work for Proton.... no way are they not related or responsible...

second is the SC does not have enough knowledge about the car.... and have no way to help check the problem which i cant accept. Sending a customer back and forth to the SC but cannot solved a small problem on a BRAND NEW car.



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i think Preve is the most value money car, with push button start, rain sensor, light sensor, 4 airbag, ESP, touch screen + GPS for only 73k. If other brand, maybe up to 130k and above.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:38 PM)
he has already resolve the problem already.

I wont said this is not a problem of PROTON. First of all to us normal consumer will only think that those SA also work for Proton.... no way are they not related or responsible...

second is the SC does not have enough knowledge about the car.... and have no way to help check the problem which i cant accept. Sending a customer back and forth to the SC but cannot solved a small problem on a BRAND NEW car.
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Sadly, you are right. stupid SAs reflect poorly on Proton, but what can Proton do? all they can do is educate their customers.

Also, I am assuming your friend send to authorized SC instead of Proton Edar SC, because I think this is a common problem.
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QUOTE(red_dream83 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:38 PM)
i think Preve is the most value money car, with push button start, rain sensor, light sensor, 4 airbag, ESP, touch screen + GPS for only 73k. If other brand, maybe up to 130k and above.
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you so lazy need push start button, rain sensor, light sensor? proton airbag and esp can be trusted? GPS nowadays so cheap can get easily.

might as well get vios J.
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 03:40 PM)
Sadly, you are right. stupid SAs reflect poorly on Proton, but what can Proton do? all they can do is educate their customers.

Also, I am assuming your friend send to authorized SC instead of Proton Edar SC, because I think this is a common problem.
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He send to a few SC.. I also not sure where he send his car to. But took him one one month time to settle the small problem. It was months ago news already but the confident on Proton car to him sure drop a lot.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:38 PM)
he has already resolve the problem already.

I wont said this is not a problem of PROTON. First of all to us normal consumer will only think that those SA also work for Proton.... no way are they not related or responsible...

second is the SC does not have enough knowledge about the car.... and have no way to help check the problem which i cant accept. Sending a customer back and forth to the SC but cannot solved a small problem on a BRAND NEW car.
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the SA is suppose to check the car be4 they give the car to the customer(its their responsibility)
got a check list or not i dn't know but they should have 1 to keep everything in order
i still not sure why SC mechanic dn't know how to fix a simple thing..most probably they're not trained for that(cuz most of them are newbie afterall)...cuz proton mechanic are all newbie mechanic that just graduate if u know....after got experience, thn they jump to other more reputable company
my saga last time also got this problem....newbie mech there standing scratching head, manager came out...1 min done already
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 03:43 PM)
you so lazy need push start button, rain sensor, light sensor? proton airbag and esp can be trusted? GPS nowadays so cheap can get easily.

might as well get vios J.
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as i said it value for money. compare to other... not mention other term.

but it better then never.

j spec, even get steel rim with no ABS. but still want to buy?
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QUOTE(red_dream83 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:47 PM)
as i said it value for money. compare to other... not mention other term.

but it better then never.

j spec, even get steel rim with no ABS. but still want to buy?
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 03:40 PM)
Sadly, you are right. stupid SAs reflect poorly on Proton, but what can Proton do? all they can do is educate their customers.

Also, I am assuming your friend send to authorized SC instead of Proton Edar SC, because I think this is a common problem.
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authorized SC?...proton edar SC not authorized meh?
in my place proton edar SC have better service than their EON SC
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QUOTE(red_dream83 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:47 PM)
j spec, even get steel rim with no ABS. but still want to buy?
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its still a toyota...
at least when i push the buttons, the panel wont drop off..

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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 03:43 PM)
you so lazy need push start button, rain sensor, light sensor? proton airbag and esp can be trusted? GPS nowadays so cheap can get easily.

might as well get vios J.
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At least there is an airbag.

Vios J? during a collision the front passenger better hope the dashboard is soft and seatbelt is tight.


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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 03:49 PM)
authorized SC?...proton edar SC not authorized meh?
in my place proton edar SC have better service than their EON SC
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Proton Edar SC is operated by Proton Edar, authorized SCs are operated by outside companies, such as Sin Siang Hin.

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QUOTE(red_dream83 @ Apr 18 2012, 03:47 PM)
as i said it value for money. compare to other... not mention other term.

but it better then never.

j spec, even get steel rim with no ABS. but still want to buy?
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vios J has ABS.


QUOTE(muslayer @ Apr 18 2012, 03:49 PM)
People want the T Brand and the resell value,.. tongue.gif
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if not, want the P brand? PTUI also starts with P!!!

QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 03:50 PM)
At least there is an airbag.

Vios J? during a collision the front passenger better hope the dashboard is soft and seatbelt is tight.
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fail airbag is as good as no airbag
seatbelt not tight your head can bang the windscreen.


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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 18 2012, 03:50 PM)
its still a toyota...
at least when i push the buttons, the panel wont drop off..

whistling.gif
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quote for the win & LOL.

korek korek...

plus years later i won't need to open and close my door just to get or pay a parking ticket/toll/McD drivethrough.

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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 03:52 PM)
fail airbag is as good as no airbag
seatbelt not tight your head can bang the windscreen.
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Hahahaha you so sure the airbag will fail.

Even if Proton airbag only have 1% chance of deploying in a collision, no airbag = 0%.
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 03:53 PM)
Hahahaha you so sure the airbag will fail.

Even if Proton airbag only have 1% chance of deploying in a collision, no airbag = 0%.
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http://phys.org/news4363.html

Airbags associated with increased probability of death in accidents, study finds

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

You still think airbag is as good as it claims? Not to further mention it's from Ptui company.

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Oh gawd.

Oklah Vios J one airbag = safer. You win icon_rolleyes.gif
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if there is a show like top gear in Malaysia.. The Vios J will be blast like Jeremy did to the Kelisa... laugh.gif

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suddenly no airbag is better? haha.. and very basic spec is better...
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 03:58 PM)
http://phys.org/news4363.html

Airbags associated with increased probability of death in accidents, study finds

You still think airbag is as good as it claims? Not to further mention it's from Ptui company.
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If you really back that article, you should drive straight to toyota and have them disable the driver's airbag.
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QUOTE(rockets @ Apr 18 2012, 04:05 PM)
If you really back that article, you should drive straight to toyota and have them disable the driver's airbag.
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Old Vios J no airbag.
And it's an obvious troll for backing Vios J by the way.
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 04:07 PM)
Old Vios J no airbag.
And it's an obvious troll for backing Vios J by the way.
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So you were trolling? I couldnt tell.

For a moment there I was going ask if you dad drives an Inspira and your mom bought your Savvy last time....
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So many sarcastic remarks, let me contribute some also tongue.gif

Better go for BMW E36, old Honda Civic with big Vtec, plus spare cash for petrol& maintenance

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 03:53 PM)
Hahahaha you so sure the airbag will fail.

Even if Proton airbag only have 1% chance of deploying in a collision, no airbag = 0%.
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1%? Then u have to bang 100 times before the airbag open lor laugh.gif

Go Vios J man!! Toyota will never go wrong! Summore cheaper then those "ero second hand value Proton", you drive Proton your friends all sure ask you "Why buy Proton wor?!"
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 04:09 PM)
So you were trolling? I couldnt tell.

For a moment there I was going ask if you dad drives an Inspira and your mom bought your Savvy last time....
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I am not toyota's fansboy, neither is proton's

But the study is true and make sense.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 04:14 PM)
1%? Then u have to bang 100 times before the airbag open lor  laugh.gif

Go Vios J man!! Toyota will never go wrong! Summore cheaper then those "ero second hand value Proton", you drive Proton your friends all sure ask you "Why buy Proton wor?!"
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 04:15 PM)
I am not toyota's fansboy, neither is proton's

But the study is true and make sense.
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Each to his own, fair enough.

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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 03:43 PM)
you so lazy need push start button, rain sensor, light sensor? proton airbag and esp can be trusted? GPS nowadays so cheap can get easily.

might as well get vios J.
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Ya.. juz pick J lah.. very good one lo... T mah.... got problem... T also got problme what can we complain... still better then othersss... If T got 5 problems others at least 50 problems.... SO don worry.. T is the best.... that is for u.

But for me, I will chose SAGA 1.6 FLX anytime compare to J.
WHY? I choose value not brand, because I am poor. I rather keep RM 25k with me or pay less interest for the bank. Everymonth got extra money for everything. Happy man.

But if really want to spend RM 70k - RM 90k. Preve lah.... value for money. unless u hate P1 so much then no need to say. J compare with Preve??? Except they are in the same price range, they are not in the same class.

If I am not staying in Mereisia, my choice will be difference. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 04:14 PM)
1%? Then u have to bang 100 times before the airbag open lor  laugh.gif

Go Vios J man!! Toyota will never go wrong! Summore cheaper then those "ero second hand value Proton", you drive Proton your friends all sure ask you "Why buy Proton wor?!"
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Damn! If a Toyota is broken, it will even heal itself!
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Apr 18 2012, 04:33 PM)
Damn! If a Toyota is broken, it will even heal itself!
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If proton something wrong = Proton mah! Lousy QC!
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QUOTE(danabu @ Apr 18 2012, 04:31 PM)
Ya.. juz pick J lah.. very good one lo... T mah.... got problem... T also got problme what can we complain... still better then othersss... If T got 5 problems others at least 50 problems.... SO don worry.. T is the best.... that is for u.

But for me, I will chose SAGA 1.6 FLX anytime compare to J.
WHY? I choose value not brand, because I am poor. I rather keep RM 25k with me or pay less interest for the bank. Everymonth got extra money for everything. Happy man.

But if really want to spend RM 70k - RM 90k. Preve lah.... value for money. unless u hate P1 so much then no need to say. J compare with Preve??? Except they are in the same price range, they are not in the same class.

If I am not staying in Mereisia, my choice will be difference.  biggrin.gif
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you want to choose value choose VIVA la. cheapest car in getting you to your final destination. it's same anyway between saga 1.3/1.6/flx whatever shits and viva.

in the end what you get is a car with 4 wheels, 1 engine, and drinks petrol.
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Toyota USB slot missing - 2 pages very polite discussion
Proton USB cannot read pendrive - curse ancestor 18 generation.
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have u tried pug 207 TS?
i personally tried at juru. and to make that thing move u got to slam the pedal like crazy.
and four speed 'box. u have got to be kidding me.

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not to mention the interior of 207 also fugly...and price range almost sam elike preve, sparepart senang cari, murah compare peugeot
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 04:36 PM)
you want to choose value choose VIVA la. cheapest car in getting you to your final destination. it's same anyway between saga 1.3/1.6/flx whatever shits and viva.

in the end what you get is a car with 4 wheels, 1 engine, and drinks petrol.
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Sorry, viva takda buntut..... for auntie.

J and SAGA FLX 1.6 is same class.. pity J boy.... tongue.gif

cheersss... smile.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 04:37 PM)
Toyota USB slot missing - 2 pages very polite discussion
Proton USB cannot read pendrive - curse ancestor 18 generation.
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Dun waste time talk with those fan boy la.

U never change they view.
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Dun waste time talk with those fan boy la.

U never change they view.
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I'm just having fun. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 04:37 PM)
Toyota USB slot missing - 2 pages very polite discussion
Proton USB cannot read pendrive - curse ancestor 18 generation.
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This proves my point.... Toyota owner very civilised mah! Proton owner all very rude/crude/BTC de....

So you wanna hang with good crowd.... buy Toyota!!
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 03:12 PM)
becuz he doesn't know...he just drive
he thought the turbo kicks in once he step on it
he doesn't know...be4 2k RPM, its NA 1.6 after all
if he got see the brochure..already stated 205nM(2k-4k RPM)
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QUOTE(danabu @ Apr 18 2012, 04:40 PM)
Sorry, viva takda buntut..... for auntie.

J and SAGA FLX 1.6 is same class.. pity J boy.... tongue.gif

cheersss... smile.gif
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damn.. go read previous pages.... pity saga-fag
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QUOTE(mynameisjetto @ Apr 18 2012, 04:39 PM)
not to mention the interior of 207 also fugly...and price range almost sam elike preve, sparepart senang cari, murah compare peugeot
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 04:42 PM)
This proves my point.... Toyota owner very civilised mah! Proton owner all very rude/crude/BTC de....

So you wanna hang with good crowd.... buy Toyota!!
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because 2000 p1 owner..2000 kind of attitude. 500 T owners..only 500 kind of attitude. is not abt the car..it is about the number of buyers. smile.gif

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 04:42 PM)
This proves my point.... Toyota owner very civilised mah! Proton owner all very rude/crude/BTC de....

So you wanna hang with good crowd.... buy Toyota!!
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Eh, who you think is cursing Proton 18 generation? hahahaha likely not Potong fanboi lor.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 04:42 PM)
This proves my point.... Toyota owner very civilised mah! Proton owner all very rude/crude/BTC de....

So you wanna hang with good crowd.... buy Toyota!!
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It's suprising how Vios is outselling cars in that list by at least 4:1 yet they always get smashed in polls like this everywhere.

Conclusion:
Vios users are all outdated old phags that barely knows how to use the internetz.
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QUOTE(rockets @ Apr 18 2012, 04:47 PM)
It's suprising how Vios is outselling cars in that list by at least 4:1 yet they always get smashed in polls like this everywhere.

Conclusion:
Vios users are all outdated old phags that barely knows how to use the internetz.
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Conclusion : Vios buyers are too busy working/earning $$ instead of wasting time trolling the forums!
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 18 2012, 04:44 PM)
the cvt 'rubber band' feeling is no doubt. but the power is there..except the feel is no there. hehehehe. even established brand have problem with turbo lag. monstrous evo fq400 have problem with turbo lag. i'm looking fwd to drive a car with wide range of torque peak..sure nicee...  rclxm9.gif
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ya....some other car...their turbo only kick @ 3k RPM or higher which is quite bad
proton's set is @ 2k...consider very good already
if want faster thn can get VW....1.4K RPM already kick in..haha
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godlike Vios J Pawn all tongue.gif
i dont care what what ncap,airbag,what what auto this auto that...as long as long is T..i feel classy inside tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 04:50 PM)
ya....some other car...their turbo only kick @ 3k RPM or higher which is quite bad
proton's set is @ 2k...consider very good already
if want faster thn can get VW....1.4K RPM already kick in..haha
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On top of the turbocharger, VW adds a supercharger to 'fix' that lower end rpm. I tihnk if preve add something like that need to tambah another $10k and it's probably too high tech an undertaking for proton.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 18 2012, 04:50 PM)
ya....some other car...their turbo only kick @ 3k RPM or higher which is quite bad
proton's set is @ 2k...consider very good already
if want faster thn can get VW....1.4K RPM already kick in..haha
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 04:49 PM)
Conclusion : Vios buyers are too busy working/earning $$ instead of wasting time trolling the forums!
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Kesian...kerja kuat dpt gaji beli vios underspec sad.gif
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Apr 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
Kesian...kerja kuat dpt gaji beli vios underspec sad.gif
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Specs not important.... useless Proton car got all the specs in the world but in 1 day buttons all came off, so what next? 1 week later cannot start? If car cannot move how much specs also useless lor!

Toyota dependable.... when u have a Toyota you know it will perform its function as a car! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Apr 18 2012, 04:44 PM)
damn.. go read previous pages.... pity saga-fag
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Even a new T kamry chamber can be out for more then 1.5 Deg... why should I trust T?? Do u read this in any thread?? No. Noboy will share this... T kamry break also got lots of problem. Masuk kilang 3 kali sebab break. Real story as well. I only know fews T kamry owners nia.. but seem most of them are "the unluckly" one...

Every car got problem lah... not because of T it is the best lah.... H also used to have GB problem. The car won be bad because it is P, and won be good because it is T. This is my point. Cheer a bit ya... smile.gif

Alot of T owners feel shy to share their problmesss because they condem too much on P1 but a lot of problme that they are facing actually is about the same with P1... this is real case, happen to friends of mine. They dare not share until need me to pick them up when they send their car in workshop.

where P1 owner are very open to share all the problem coz it is p1 got problem nothing shy to share.... coz nothing to loose... smile.gif


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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Apr 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
mitsubishi colt kicks in @ 1.2k rpm...1.5 mivec turbo....1.2k all the way till 4k rpm...after 4k rpm mivec kicks in
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My point of view is early kick in "makan minyak". When Turbo kick in, fuel consumption will go up. In city driving, if we control our foot, most of the time we no need to go till 2k rpm, so fuel save abit. If in H/way, where we want to "pecut" then Turbo kick in..... Vroom...

Correct me if I am wrong. smile.gif

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QUOTE(rockets @ Apr 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
On top of the turbocharger, VW adds a supercharger to 'fix' that lower end rpm. I tihnk if preve add something like that need to tambah another $10k and it's probably too high tech an undertaking for proton.
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that would have to wait until 2015 where proton introduce new engine
if not wrong...the campro cannot stand supercharger
they did buy a few unit to test previously and is supposedly for satria neo
but after that no news...i think fail
wait new engine better
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QUOTE(danabu @ Apr 18 2012, 05:05 PM)
My point of view is early kick in "makan minyak". When Turbo kick in, fuel consumption will go up. In city driving, if we control our foot, most of the time we no need to go till 2k rpm, so fuel save abit. If in H/way, where we want to "pecut" then Turbo kick in..... Vroom...

Correct me if I am wrong.  smile.gif
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That's the idea behind the "pay-as-you-go" concept Proton has been pimping. Tame city driving, drives like a 1.6. On highway or after turtle potong you, your car transform into a 2.0 by pressing the pedal just a bit harder.

Sound concept, not sure how well it works in real world driving.


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that would have to wait until 2015 where proton introduce new engine
if not wrong...the campro cannot stand supercharger
they did buy a few unit to test previously and is supposedly for satria neo
but after that no news...i think fail
wait new engine better
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So, many voters now, later, after 3 years, Turbo engine problem, also still so many voters still...hehe..no lah just kidding, enjoy your ride.
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Y U NO HAVE FORTE 1.6 ??
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I counter a bit... Preve show Room car.. button koyak....


"aaiyer.. basher ... Rival send a team to proton show room to make the button koyak.."...


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QUOTE(BuFung @ Apr 18 2012, 05:43 PM)
I counter a bit...  Preve show Room car..  button koyak.... 
"aaiyer..  basher ...  Rival send a team to proton show room to make the button koyak.."... 
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Should be "Preve so in demand until tens of thousands of peopel go see the car and push until rosak!"
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dont spend so much on cars.
just get flx as long can drive is ok.

even its prius or insight. overtime u'll get bored with it
it's just a car.
but diff people diff preferences. don't listen to me
i'm just trolling

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QUOTE(ungka @ Apr 18 2012, 05:48 PM)
dont spend so much on cars.
just get flx as long can drive is ok.

even its prius or insight. overtime u'll get bored with it
it's just a car.
but diff people diff preferences. don't listen to me
i'm just trolling

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gosh.. luckily i didn't put tiara..
how much the 2nd hand price now? reach 1k?
or give free oso no onw wan?


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QUOTE(ungka @ Apr 18 2012, 05:48 PM)
dont spend so much on cars.
just get flx as long can drive is ok.

even its prius or insight. overtime u'll get bored with it
it's just a car.
but diff people diff preferences. don't listen to me
i'm just trolling

*btw flx above just example. i can put tiara there, it's still a car tongue.gif
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wrong.. the Vios J is not even qualify as a car in FnF... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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randomly saw one pervert with this welding.

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godlike Vios J Pawn all tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 18 2012, 05:56 PM)


randomly saw one pervert with this welding.

credits to aieou228 for the blue car.
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nothing impressive bout preve..
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nothing impressive bout preve..
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at least its more impressive than the Vios
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Is the reliability as good as the vios?

Is the resale value as good as the vios?

No, right? You do know that.
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

randomly saw one pervert with this welding.

credits to aieou228 for the blue car.
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Bro... u failed to realise that is Proton's special secret.. its the Cabin Crumple Zone Welding (CCZW)!! laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 18 2012, 06:06 PM)
Is the reliability as good as the vios?

Is the resale value as good as the vios?

No, right? You do know that.
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Apr 18 2012, 06:07 PM)
only time will tell.
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then how can u say its more impressive than a vios when its not even proven?


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randomly saw one pervert with this welding.

credits to aieou228 for the blue car.
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1st the buttons, now this? global car my a$s..

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then how can u say its more impressive than a vios when its not even proven?


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1st the buttons, now this? global car my a$s..
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Yalor....

U buy a Proton, all yoru friends will ask "Why buy proton? Why didnt buy T/H/N??"

U buy a Toyota, no one will ask you why u didnt buy a Proton instead laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Johnix @ Apr 18 2012, 06:08 PM)
then how can u say its more impressive than a vios when its not even proven?


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1st the buttons, now this? global car my a$s..
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safety features, specs, feel, ride and handling, value for money.

test drove one just now and went all the way up to 190kmh on old airport road. Car feels steady and NVH was very, very good. Test drive it yourself smile.gif
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Yalor....

U buy a Proton, all yoru friends will ask "Why buy proton? Why didnt buy T/H/N??"

U buy a Toyota, "only sohai buy over price crap "...  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Johnix @ Apr 18 2012, 06:08 PM)
then how can u say its more impressive than a vios when its not even proven?


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1st the buttons, now this? global car my a$s..
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its called spot weld.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_welding

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Spot welding (RSW)[1] is a process in which contacting metal surfaces are joined by the heat obtained from resistance to electric current flow. Work-pieces are held together under pressure exerted by electrodes. Typically the sheets are in the 0.5 to 3 mm (0.020 to 0.12 in) thickness range. The process uses two shaped copper alloy electrodes to concentrate welding current into a small "spot" and to simultaneously clamp the sheets together. Forcing a large current through the spot will melt the metal and form the weld. The attractive feature of spot welding is a lot of energy can be delivered to the spot in a very short time (approximately ten milliseconds).[2] That permits the welding to occur without excessive heating to the rest of the sheet.

bla bla bla

Applications


Perhaps the most common application of spot welding is in the automobile manufacturing industry, where it is used almost universally to weld the sheet metal to form a car. Spot welders can also be completely automated, and many of the industrial robots found on assembly lines are spot welders (the other major use for robots being painting).
and for those not familiar with the automotive scene, spot welding your chasis is a way to increase chasis rigidity.

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last 2 pics taken by me personally when viewing a proton satria on sale which the owner spent 1~2k to spot weld the whole chassis himself. Looks like shit, but its alot stronger than you think.
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 18 2012, 06:06 PM)
Is the "engine" reliability as good as the vios?

Is the resale value as good as the vios?

No, right? You do know that.
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u forgot something...fixed
the engine...not the car itself


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1st the buttons, now this? global car my a$s..
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haha...the welding is quite shitty but did u know that many other car also have weldings like that
lol...lol!

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suddenly make me feel like the japanese shit story applicable to proton car also.. smell nice... laugh.gif
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hahah 50% voted PREVE...
TT in trouble.. must work harder n smarter
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suddenly make me feel like the japanese shit story applicable to proton car also..  smell nice...  laugh.gif
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Wrong. Malaysia shit is not good shit.

It is cheap and cheerful shit.
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its normal la, some will like it, some will band even with tiny miny defects.. still i think its a good car... nicely done proton..
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I have nothing against Vios. Just the J spec is really too empty. At least get the proper one.
Anyway according to this poll, even don't consider Preve, more people suggest TS top up and get Inspira or Forte. It's a fact yo....
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I have nothing against Vios. Just the J spec is really too empty. At least get the proper one.
Anyway according to this poll, even don't consider Preve, more people suggest TS top up and get Inspira or Forte. It's a fact yo....
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Agree.

Vios J is just like a normal Saga. Or even worst?
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Why not change the forte to 1.6sx?

i think for 85k, it will get more vote than other

proton is a proton forever, proton wira also proton, no one care and if you ask some old aunty and uncle, they still look down on you say you ''just buy proton only''

it is like never gonna go out this country

preve is nothing good except for the fuel consumption

what do you needs for a turbo engine in street like KL or Penang? and if in highway, you get some ticket to PDRM

Give me 3.0 turbo v12 also i say thanks you and don want , better get a prius c instead or fiesta

more power no use at all with the traffic jam like shit

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QUOTE(alan1123 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:16 PM)
Why not change the forte to 1.6sx? 

i think for 85k, it will get more vote than other

proton is a proton forever, proton wira also proton, no one care and if you ask some old aunty and uncle, they still look down on you say you ''just buy proton only''

it is like never gonna go out this country

preve is nothing good except for the fuel consumption

what do you needs for a turbo engine in street like KL or Penang?  and if in highway, you get some ticket to PDRM

Give me 3.0 turbo v12 also i say thanks you and don want , better get a prius c instead or fiesta

more power no use at all with the traffic jam like shit
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Do you know really know the purpose to introduce low boost turbocharger into Campro engine series?
It isn't turbo engine like those Mitsubishi Evolution and Subaru Imprezza WRX.

Good low end torque gives users better experience driving in town. I wonder if you really know the purpose of low boost turbocharger introduction?

Besides keep bashing, perhaps u can do more in contributing to the forum.
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QUOTE(alan1123 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:16 PM)
Why not change the forte to 1.6sx? 

i think for 85k, it will get more vote than other

proton is a proton forever, proton wira also proton, no one care and if you ask some old aunty and uncle, they still look down on you say you ''just buy proton only''

it is like never gonna go out this country

preve is nothing good except for the fuel consumption

what do you needs for a turbo engine in street like KL or Penang?  and if in highway, you get some ticket to PDRM

Give me 3.0 turbo v12 also i say thanks you and don want , better get a prius c instead or fiesta

more power no use at all with the traffic jam like shit
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buying preve got present? if no, then maybe don need to consider d ....lol
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is forte 1.6sx or even forte 2.0 faster then proton 1.6 campro (no CPS, no turbo shit whatever)
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wht not put SAGA FLX SE 1.6 ?? same kategory wif myvi LBLP
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wht not put SAGA FLX SE 1.6 ?? same kategory wif myvi LBLP
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QUOTE(alan1123 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:16 PM)
Why not change the forte to 1.6sx? 

i think for 85k, it will get more vote than other

proton is a proton forever, proton wira also proton, no one care and if you ask some old aunty and uncle, they still look down on you say you ''just buy proton only''

it is like never gonna go out this country

preve is nothing good except for the fuel consumption

what do you needs for a turbo engine in street like KL or Penang?  and if in highway, you get some ticket to PDRM

Give me 3.0 turbo v12 also i say thanks you and don want , better get a prius c instead or fiesta

more power no use at all with the traffic jam like shit
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Vios J la.
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lol

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QUOTE(rockets @ Apr 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
On top of the turbocharger, VW adds a supercharger to 'fix' that lower end rpm. I tihnk if preve add something like that need to tambah another $10k and it's probably too high tech an undertaking for proton.
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actually it depends on the turbo setup itself. pug 1.6thp dont use supercharger but they use twinscroll turbine..so the turbo kick in at 1.4k too. cars like evo or subaru they prefer to use bigger turbo..more power but higher rpm to achieve peak torque. smile.gif
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i jz test drove preve jz nw, awesome car, the interior is stunningly awesome, the design is very sporty,.....

the handling is superb, i previously drove a vios j n i cn tell u the vios j sux like hell when compared to preve, preve is 100000000000000x better than vios j,

n the CFE engine is awesome too, i drove it at LDP n i jz smoked every single car i pass by........fucukin fast car

overall i cn say that preve is a great car, definitely worth every cent u pay for!
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Get preve Ada present... U get all the praise n hoo haa from LYN...woooo...waaa... U get the best money can buy in this planet..
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QUOTE(alan1123 @ Apr 18 2012, 08:50 PM)
buying preve got present? if no, then maybe don need to consider d ....lol
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newly released car always no present and discount one ...unless u personally know the SA la
then will have present but that present he use his money to buy....this one i know personally
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For a near c-segment car at 73K i think can consider...

But test drive the car, feel it, like it, only order.

As MR_alien says, the downside is there no discount thou.
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 18 2012, 09:27 PM)
i jz test drove preve jz nw, awesome car, the interior is stunningly awesome, the design is very sporty,.....

the handling is superb, i previously drove a vios j n i cn tell u the vios j sux like hell when compared to preve, preve is 100000000000000x better than vios j,

n the CFE engine is awesome too, i drove it at LDP n i jz smoked every single car i pass by........fucukin fast car

overall i cn say that preve is a great car, definitely worth every cent u pay for!
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So Fucuking difficult to sense which 1 is trolling or what...  doh.gif
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true la, my dads fren is a former engineer at proton, so i cn get easy access n special permission to fully test drive the car

wat i cn say is the car is superb
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 19 2012, 11:26 AM)
true la, my dads fren is a former engineer at proton, so i cn get easy access n special permission to fully test drive the car

wat i cn say is the car is superb
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Yeah i heard your dad knew steve jobs too.

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QUOTE(torres09 @ Apr 19 2012, 08:55 AM)
after reading all the welding issue, button issue, proton make expensive car, i think i gonna reconsider Vios J which is in the range of wat i m prepared to pay for a sedan. practical considerations such as below really make me doubt my choice on Preve:
1. less electronic and features on J. no need worry will spoil. this is very important because anyway i also dunno wat for need traction control, ESC, KFC, ETC...
2. only 1 airbag. my baby can sit safely in the front passenger seat with his car seat.
3. side mirror manual adjust. sometimes i find it really hard cos in auto the button too sensitive.
4. no sport rims. in malaysia road so many potholes, no need worry rim damage.
5. shorter warranty. so i no need go service center service for 5 years.
6. dugong look. bash it all u want but i am a nature lover.
7. if ever need to set foot in Toyota SC, got nasi lemak and teh tarik.
8. i will level up cos driving a CBU car. pity u guys still drive local car. business partners will give me bigger contracts cos they more confident in a person who drives imported car.
9. japanese frens will butthurt cos they no chance to own this awesome toyota in JDM.
10. lastly, if both J and Preve turn out to be shit, japanese shit is still smell nicer than local shit.
pls dont bash me if i change to J. its really tempting.
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Excellent summary above!!! See... clearly we should NOT buy ANY Proton cars!! Toyota brand rules!! Vios J is an excellent car!!! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(koh_424 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:15 PM)
Agree.

Vios J is just like a normal Saga. Or even worst?
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 18 2012, 09:27 PM)
i jz test drove preve jz nw, awesome car, the interior is stunningly awesome, the design is very sporty,.....

the handling is superb, i previously drove a vios j n i cn tell u the vios j sux like hell when compared to preve, preve is 100000000000000x better than vios j,

n the CFE engine is awesome too, i drove it at LDP n i jz smoked every single car i pass by........fucukin fast car

overall i cn say that preve is a great car, definitely worth every cent u pay for!
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Proton salesman perhaps? Haha
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smoke every single car he pass by.... omg tat preve might have some engine problem.... how come letting out so many smoke.


LOL
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Apr 19 2012, 12:50 PM)
smoke every single car he pass by.... omg tat preve might have some engine problem.... how come letting out so many smoke.
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Test drive the Preve last nite. Basically Proton still live up to its name as the worst car manufacturer .....

Below are my personal feel on the test drive;

Pros;
1. Looks original and considerably big for a compact sedan
2. CVT transmission is smooth
3. Big booth space
4. Value for money

Cons;
1. Steering too heavy for a car that size and weight
2. Pick up slow considering with CFE and turbocharged
3. Dash board and meters look cheap, like a slightly upgraded Proton Saga dash board and meter
4. Suspension too hard, maybe due to big rims and lower profile tyres
5. Internal finishing are cheap plasticky and too thin
6. Reliability of equipments are questionable. The test drive unit's traction control cannot be turn on. Only a few days after launching.... blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif

Conclusion definately not buying. Price and feature wise is very tempting but after trying out ..... very disappointed.
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QUOTE(mikro @ Apr 18 2012, 10:01 PM)
For a near c-segment car at 73K i think can consider...

But test drive the car, feel it, like it, only order.

As MR_alien says, the downside is there no discount thou.
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:32 PM)
its called spot weld.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_welding
and for those not familiar with the automotive scene, spot welding your chasis is a way to increase chasis rigidity.

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last 2 pics taken by me personally when viewing a proton satria on sale which the owner spent 1~2k to spot weld the whole chassis himself. Looks like shit, but its alot stronger than you think.
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LOL! You call that spot welding?!? That is call Plug Weld (Search for pictures)! Hahahah.. Talk like some welding expert..

The welding is totally off for a Global car.. Most of the welding are done by robot arm which the welding should be precision & not have such excessive welding bit.. I think P1 want to cut cost until have to ask ppl manually weld and no grind flush?!? tongue.gif

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LOL! You call that spot welding?!? That is call Plug Weld (Search for pictures)! Hahahah.. Talk like some welding expert..

The welding is totally off for a Global car.. Most of the welding are done by robot arm which the welding should be precision & not have such excessive welding bit.. I think P1 want to cut cost until have to ask ppl manually weld and no grind flush?!?  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kkljason @ Apr 19 2012, 01:03 PM)
Test drive the Preve last nite. Basically Proton still live up to its name as the worst car manufacturer .....

Below are my personal feel on the test drive;

Pros;
1. Looks original and considerably big for a compact sedan
2. CVT transmission is smooth
3. Big booth space
4. Value for money

Cons;
1. Steering too heavy for a car that size and weight
2. Pick up slow considering with CFE and turbocharged
3. Dash board and meters look cheap, like a slightly upgraded Proton Saga dash board and meter
4. Suspension too hard, maybe due to big rims and lower profile tyres
5. Internal finishing are cheap plasticky and too thin
6. Reliability of equipments are questionable. The test drive unit's traction control cannot be turn on. Only a few days after launching.... blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif

Conclusion definately not buying. Price and feature wise is very tempting but after trying out ..... very disappointed.
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traction control is always on, when u wanna crash, then u will see the light blinking ,means TC working to prevent you crash.


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say what u wan.. but Preve still leading the poll with 46%!!
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 19 2012, 01:06 PM)
LOL! You call that spot welding?!? That is call Plug Weld (Search for pictures)! Hahahah.. Talk like some welding expert..

The welding is totally off for a Global car.. Most of the welding are done by robot arm which the welding should be precision & not have such excessive welding bit.. I think P1 want to cut cost until have to ask ppl manually weld and no grind flush?!?  tongue.gif
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i think need to quote back what i said coz still many professional welders here, hu...hu...

erm, if not mistaken, prtn already used one piece door stamping gen2, tailor welded blanks door saga,exora, and preve i think, door sash + doorpanel, using double spot, robotic plasma welding, new n latest for prtn, better weight, better design for sash n better strength.

I thinkla :-), dengor2 khabar anginla, ingress corp supply the door to prtn preve. So, better ask them lah, ha...ha...

The door sash is made using roll forming method, only using this method, u can used advance high strength steel(ahss) aka ultra high tensile steel(uhss) as the material coz in cold forming method, its really hard to shape ahss to complex shape coz of its rigidity.

Then the door structure is normally used high strength steel low alloy(hsla), and the trapezoidal impact beam, unique to proton n lotus, start in satria neo n upward(not tabular impact beam as some others using) inside the door also ahss using roll forming.

So, combining the door sash n door panel is using robotic(not human, unless humanoid :-)) plasma welding, double spot, for strength n better corrosion resistant. Ops, forget to mentioned, all high strength steel using in car are galvanised steel(corrosion resistant coating steel), yup, the whole body n panel, deep into pool, electro charged, the pool is in tanjung malim, maybe u can visit for swimming n diving training :-). Plus, its painted in white(thats why they called it body in white as the preve chasis during power of one event), then another layers of colors paint.

So, in other words, using this method, the door will enhance its strength by combining two type of steels(ahss for door sash n hsla for door structure), n door sash is stronger than before as in using tailor welded blanks. Coz previously, only being protected by ahss impact beam inside the door, but door sash still not as strong as ahss(trip or dp), but now, the whole door has the same strength. Yup, i think better they (prtn)conceal with rubber or plastics next time, so that people will not do their own professional analysis coz they only familiar with house grill welding, not robotic plasma welding.

I think better those who curious just google for image using plasma welding, spot, how is it look like, the marks from plasma welding.


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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 19 2012, 11:15 AM)
Excellent summary above!!! See... clearly we should NOT buy ANY Proton cars!! Toyota brand rules!! Vios J is an excellent car!!!  thumbup.gif
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so many city and dugong owners butthurt here..
these owners come to proton showroom and damage the preve.
later claim proton quality issue.
So fucuk attitude.
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the mark of the spot is known as plasma spot braze.


Added on April 19, 2012, 1:49 pmthe mark of the spot is known as plasma spot braze.

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QUOTE(kkljason @ Apr 19 2012, 01:03 PM)
Test drive the Preve last nite. Basically Proton still live up to its name as the worst car manufacturer .....

Below are my personal feel on the test drive;

Pros;
1. Looks original and considerably big for a compact sedan
2. CVT transmission is smooth
3. Big booth space
4. Value for money

Cons;
1. Steering too heavy for a car that size and weight
2. Pick up slow considering with CFE and turbocharged
3. Dash board and meters look cheap, like a slightly upgraded Proton Saga dash board and meter
4. Suspension too hard, maybe due to big rims and lower profile tyres
5. Internal finishing are cheap plasticky and too thin
6. Reliability of equipments are questionable. The test drive unit's traction control cannot be turn on. Only a few days after launching.... blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif

Conclusion definately not buying. Price and feature wise is very tempting but after trying out ..... very disappointed.
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55 series and 16 inch is call lower profile and big rims?

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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 19 2012, 01:49 PM)
55 series and 16 inch is call lower profile and big rims?

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Some people used to driving with 13" rims mah.... for them my 35 profile tyre is consider a strip of rubber only lor tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 19 2012, 02:04 PM)
Some people used to driving with 13" rims mah.... for them my 35 profile tyre is consider a strip of rubber only lor  tongue.gif
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no la, when they see your 35 profile, they will say, got tyres meh?

HAHAHAHAHA
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QUOTE(kkljason @ Apr 19 2012, 01:03 PM)
Test drive the Preve last nite. Basically Proton still live up to its name as the worst car manufacturer .....

Below are my personal feel on the test drive;

Pros;
1. Looks original and considerably big for a compact sedan
2. CVT transmission is smooth
3. Big booth space
4. Value for money

Cons;
1. Steering too heavy for a car that size and weight
2. Pick up slow considering with CFE and turbocharged
3. Dash board and meters look cheap, like a slightly upgraded Proton Saga dash board and meter
4. Suspension too hard, maybe due to big rims and lower profile tyres
5. Internal finishing are cheap plasticky and too thin
6. Reliability of equipments are questionable. The test drive unit's traction control cannot be turn on. Only a few days after launching.... blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif

Conclusion definately not buying. Price and feature wise is very tempting but after trying out ..... very disappointed.
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talking abt your cons
no.1 it is suppose to be heavy...what?..u expect soft like toyota and perodua?...toyota and perodua's steering is too soft and bad
if u driven european car be4..you'll know their steering is hard compare to toyota...it provides stability..especially during high speed...if u move from toyota to proton...of course u will say why so hard cuz u dn't understand

no.2 pickup slow is be4 2k RPM or after 2k RPM rev?...as stated the turbo only kicks in after 2K RPM
and as said by other people, insulation is done well, so u would feels you're moving very fast
same with other european car like BMW and merc...u move 160KM/H but it feels nothing

others can't comment but the suspension part should be fine considering they're using kayaba absorber and multilink
and the traction control(correct me if i'm wrong)...u cannot turn on becuz its always ON...u can only turn it off
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Preve definitely smile.gif 2k rpm is no problem!
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Preve 47%

I guess there is a lot silent supporter.. and a few very LOUD basher...
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 19 2012, 02:04 PM)
Some people used to driving with 13" rims mah.... for them my 35 profile tyre is consider a strip of rubber only lor  tongue.gif
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35 profile? no need tyre la, direct use rim better.

put 21 inches rims.
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Buy a vios, people will think that it is a mercedes or bmw. Trust me, coz very high tech & quality superbly cool. (dis is what vios driver thinks)

**Trolling**

Dont buy vios la, too many on the road already.. got get urself a polo/golf or a mazda. If no budget, got a preve, at least it economical & with a turbo with same gizmo like in golf, all is auto..


Added on April 19, 2012, 4:25 pmsee one preve on the road today, test drive edition. cruising nicely right beside me & design... very, very nice.. other than dat, go & test it urself.. see for urself, then decide..

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Is absolutely non-sense to compare cars that are heavily taxed with potong car.

We should be comparing imported car of the same price minus the tax.
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All the cars in the poll are OK...even the 207, so it depends on the individual on what we wants out of it. Even if the poll is 48% for Preve, ppl will still buy Myvi and Vios....some might even buy the 207...so go test drive all of them a few times, do some homework about the resale, reliability and maintenance cost and then decide yourself.
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to be ignorance is ok coz its consider as ill inform or layman, but too ignorance sometimes can lead to brainless thought.

Check civic 1.8 price in thai n compare with exora h-line price in thai which is nearly same as preve. So, which cheaper, which expensive.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 19 2012, 01:06 PM)
LOL! You call that spot welding?!? That is call Plug Weld (Search for pictures)! Hahahah.. Talk like some welding expert..

The welding is totally off for a Global car.. Most of the welding are done by robot arm which the welding should be precision & not have such excessive welding bit.. I think P1 want to cut cost until have to ask ppl manually weld and no grind flush?!?  tongue.gif
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even if it is plug weld, whats the harm in that? Honestly those 2 looks pretty damn close but according to mat79, its plasma welding.

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Plug Welding

Plug welding is an alternative to spot welding used by vehicle manufacturers where there is insufficient access for a spot welder. For DIY car restoration it's generally used instead of spot welding on panels flanges that would have originally been spot welded.

Plug welds when done properly tend to be stronger than the original spot welds. Rally car builders often use the technique, and it is acceptable in a UK MOT test as an alternative to spot welds where repairing older cars (it would not be suitable for modern high tensile steels).

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Apr 19 2012, 01:34 PM)
i think need to quote back what i said coz still many professional welders here, hu...hu...

erm, if not mistaken, prtn already used one piece door stamping gen2, tailor welded blanks door saga,exora, and preve i think, door sash + doorpanel,  using double spot, robotic plasma welding, new n latest for prtn, better weight, better design for sash n better strength.

I thinkla :-), dengor2 khabar anginla, ingress corp supply the door to prtn preve. So, better ask them lah, ha...ha...

The door sash is made using roll forming method, only using this method, u can used advance high strength steel(ahss) aka ultra high tensile steel(uhss) as the material coz in cold forming method, its really hard to shape ahss to complex shape coz of its rigidity.

Then the door structure is normally used high strength steel low alloy(hsla), and the trapezoidal impact beam, unique to proton n lotus, start in satria neo n upward(not tabular impact beam as some others using) inside the door also ahss using roll forming.

So, combining the door sash n door panel is using robotic(not human, unless humanoid :-)) plasma welding, double spot, for strength n better corrosion resistant. Ops, forget to mentioned, all high strength steel using in car are galvanised steel(corrosion resistant coating steel), yup, the whole body n panel, deep into pool, electro charged, the pool is in tanjung malim, maybe u can visit for swimming n diving training :-). Plus, its painted in white(thats why they called it body in white as the preve chasis during power of one event), then another layers of colors paint.

So, in other words, using this method, the door will enhance its strength by combining two type of steels(ahss for door sash n hsla for door structure), n door sash is stronger than before as in using tailor welded blanks. Coz previously, only being protected by ahss impact beam inside the door, but door sash still not as strong as ahss(trip or dp), but now, the whole door has the same strength. Yup, i think better they (prtn)conceal with rubber or plastics next time, so that people will not do their own professional analysis coz they only familiar with house grill welding, not robotic plasma welding.

I think better those who curious just google for image using plasma welding, spot, how is it look like, the marks from plasma welding.
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such a good info from you. thx for clarifying. we need this kind of guy in lyn. talk knowledge more than rubbish smile.gif
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QUOTE(joehan @ Apr 19 2012, 07:40 PM)
such a good info from you. thx for clarifying. we need this kind of guy in lyn. talk knowledge more than rubbish  smile.gif
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apa kata kita ambil roti sebagai umpama

Preve (RM73k) = roti canai telur + cheese + planta + gula
Peugeot 207 = roti canai kosong dah masak lama
Vios J Spec = roti canai kosong
Inspira 2.0 = roti canai telur
Forte 2.0 = roti canai telur
MyVi 1.5 = roti canai kosong belum masak
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at the first place ...myvi n vios shouldnt be put in the list .


myvi n vios should be put together with City, Persona and Saga Flx

hihi

preve,, civic, peugeot, inspira, forte

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If inspira cekek minyak, jsut take preve
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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ May 1 2012, 07:33 AM)
apa kata kita ambil roti sebagai umpama

Preve (RM73k) = roti canai telur + cheese + planta + gula
Peugeot 207 = roti canai kosong dah masak lama
Vios J Spec  = roti canai kosong
Inspira 2.0  = roti canai telur
Forte 2.0    = roti canai telur
MyVi 1.5  = roti  canai kosong belum masak
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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
vios...
u never go wrong with it...

good features...
excellent handling...
superb chassis...

and best of all, its a toyota... wont have problem at all...
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 1 2012, 07:41 AM)
at the first place ...myvi n vios shouldnt be put in the list .
myvi n vios should be put together with City, Persona and Saga Flx

hihi

preve,, civic, peugeot, inspira, forte
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but the irony is, proton fans love to compare proton with myvi..
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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 09:18 AM)
but the irony is, proton fans love to compare proton with myvi..
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Where's mazda2? can consider what..
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If TS complain so much on Preve, don't buy Preve.

This thread is just to bash Preve.

a waste of time. Better you find time looking for cars you want.
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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 09:18 AM)
but the irony is, proton fans love to compare proton with myvi..
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i tot the other way around... perodua fans and salesman love to compare `her` myvi sales to proton..hihi
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i tot the other way around... perodua fans and salesman love to compare `her` myvi sales to proton..hihi
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hahah..u go proton thread,including the previous version, just search the word myvi, turtle, see what will come out..and u go to perodua thread, search blm, flx, persona, u will know which owner is more matured..

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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 10:00 AM)
hahah..u go proton thread,including the previous version, just search the word myvi, turtle, see what will come out..and u go to perodua thread, search blm, flx, persona, u will know which owner is more matured..
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and u go myvi thread... word like.. un like us.,.. japanese QC, and see perodua salesman highlighted preve got timing chain like myvi or not...
hahahha
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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 10:00 AM)
hahah..u go proton thread,including the previous version, just search the word myvi, turtle, see what will come out..and u go to perodua thread, search blm, flx, persona, u will know which owner is more matured..
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hey, stop ponder a good car, ok? they always have to tell ppl they got a good car. i wonder why.
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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 10:00 AM)
hahah..u go proton thread,including the previous version, just search the word myvi, turtle, see what will come out..and u go to perodua thread, search blm, flx, persona, u will know which owner is more matured..
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 1 2012, 10:26 AM)
and u go myvi thread... word like.. un like us.,.. japanese QC, and see perodua salesman highlighted preve got timing chain like myvi or not...
hahahha
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Stop the pot calling kettle black exchange.

Just look at our streets at night, how those Saga and Myvis behave on a relatively empty road, you'll see many both owners are equally immature.

QUOTE(stinger82 @ May 1 2012, 10:37 AM)
hey, stop ponder a good car, ok? they always have to tell ppl they got a good car. i wonder why.
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So you got kicked out of the other thread, you decide to come and troll in this one? Changed you avatar just to prove a point...get a life, man.

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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 1 2012, 10:26 AM)
and u go myvi thread... word like.. un like us.,.. japanese QC, and see perodua salesman highlighted preve got timing chain like myvi or not...
hahahha
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link?..haha..which version of thread?..

example from proton owner overtaking a myvi: brows.gif

Wanted to test and see how far can my car go but still too many cars on the road plus a vios and Myvi went and join in. Myvi got smoked flex.gif while the vios using all kinds of ways to overtake me sadly this other myvi came into my lane and blocked me. He then went and exit down to the connaught highway while I went all the way straight to grand saga. And thats the story of my journey back home biggrin.gif


Jz now tapau a Turtle Extreme 1.5 at MRR2 whistling.gif Cucuk Cucuk me damn kurang ajar, but when I press till 160 he dun dare to come close. Pickup also tapau him. I'm not sure but I think it's manual cos the turtle pick up not bad..

example of matured p2 owner
But this is really hard to get, 85% highway, 15% B-road(simpang ampat toll to tampin n then into genting plantation's area) with twisties, so that one i cannot tahan, i also becomes hooligan abit play2 with this one Saga FL... Hehehe3, it was fun though n the Saga driver was a very sporting guy, he didnt block when i about to passed him, n hes also very skillful, cuz he manage to go in n out of this 1 tight bend while skidding all the way... Damn good car control on the limit... But, back to the question on how i can manage this FC... never did i once go past 100kmh(during highway that is, but during the B-road with Saga, cannot tahan but still never pass 120kmh cuz there jalan so narrow n no long straight) n very gentle to the throtle pedal... I on purpose drive slowly at highway because wan to make 1 whole day trip, otherwise need to go back office brows.gif

for me, it is okay to talk about other cars in this forum, as long as it is not trolling and insulting others..

-run away-

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QUOTE(dares @ May 1 2012, 10:47 AM)

So you got kicked out of the other thread, you decide to come and troll in this one? Changed you avatar just to prove a point...get a life, man.
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er, no i didnt get kicked out. i left the thread because all i can see is myvi photo in a preve vs inspira thread. and there is no point for me to keep posting the same photo and he keep posting the myvi photo right? do i sound like myvi owner? rclxub.gif

i changed my avatar just to piss off the myvi-drive-shaft-posting-guy. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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hey, stop ponder a good car, ok? they always have to tell ppl they got a good car. i wonder why.
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Simplistic like you can never understand good car or bad car.
You don't like that car, just move on. Go get some life la brother or just move to your k/ area.
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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 10:58 AM)
link?..haha..which version of thread?..

example from proton owner overtaking a myvi: brows.gif

Wanted to test and see how far can my car go but still too many cars on the road plus a vios and Myvi went and join in. Myvi got smoked flex.gif while the vios using all kinds of ways to overtake me sadly this other myvi came into my lane and blocked me. He then went and exit down to the connaught highway while I went all the way straight to grand saga. And thats the story of my journey back home biggrin.gif
Jz now tapau a Turtle Extreme 1.5 at MRR2 whistling.gif Cucuk Cucuk me damn kurang ajar, but when I press till 160 he dun dare to come close. Pickup also tapau him. I'm not sure but I think it's manual cos the turtle pick up not bad..

example of matured p2 owner
But this is really hard to get, 85% highway, 15% B-road(simpang ampat toll to tampin n then into genting plantation's area) with twisties, so that one i cannot tahan, i also becomes hooligan abit play2 with this one Saga FL... Hehehe3, it was fun though n the Saga driver was a very sporting guy, he didnt block when i about to passed him, n hes also very skillful, cuz he manage to go in n out of this 1 tight bend while skidding all the way... Damn good car control on the limit... But, back to the question on how i can manage this FC... never did i once go past 100kmh(during highway that is, but during the B-road with Saga, cannot tahan but still never pass 120kmh cuz there jalan so narrow n no long straight) n very gentle to the throtle pedal... I on purpose drive slowly at highway because wan to make 1 whole day trip, otherwise need to go back office  brows.gif

for me, it is okay to talk about other cars in this forum, as long as it is not trolling and insulting others..

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wahh work so hard googling.. must be desperate perodua salesman

well myvi compete with others middle income n below like saga, VIVA, persona only... thats fact
whereas preve compete with civic, forte, altis,

fiif league,, diff level diff targeted customer

preve wont kacau ah soos budak sekolah myvi buyers...


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QUOTE(dares @ May 1 2012, 10:47 AM)
Stop the pot calling kettle black exchange.

Just look at our streets at night, how those Saga and Myvis behave on a relatively empty road, you'll see many both owners are equally immature.
So you got kicked out of the other thread, you decide to come and troll in this one? Changed you avatar just to prove a point...get a life, man.
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Yes myvi n saga owners= childish n immature

so it is funny to hear preve to be compared with childish myvi

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Seriously , what's the purpose of bashing each other?

Myvi and Preve is not even in the same category.

Myvi is a city car, Getting you from point A-B, Good FC and decent safety

Preve is a car for people who travel more, wants to have more comfort, more performance and also better safety (4 Airbags, ESC & Others).

So yea, No point bashing.

Want good FC, Decent safety , Easy parking..Just a car getting from A-B...By all means go for Myvi

Want more gadgets, performance, better safety...By all means go for Preve.

This 2 cars wasn't suppose to be compared actually.

FYI, I own a Myvi and also Booked a Preve. So yea, I'm not not a P1 nor P2 supporter / basher, Just telling what I feel
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 1 2012, 11:50 AM)
wahh work so hard googling.. must be desperate perodua salesman

well myvi compete with others middle income n below like saga, VIVA, persona only... thats fact
whereas preve compete with civic, forte, altis,

fiif league,, diff level diff targeted customer

preve wont kacau ah soos budak sekolah myvi buyers...


Added on May 1, 2012, 11:55 am
Yes myvi n saga owners= childish n immature

so it is funny to hear preve to be compared with childish myvi
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er.......u started to compared with myvi. memory lost?

rm50k to rm70k car makes u feel so much better? oh man, good for you. its alwyas good to lower your expectation on cars. let me guess, vios is out of reach for you?

and i wonder why u posted so many myvi photo but din get warning. hmmm.a preve photo in preve thread is troll, myvi photo in preve thread is not troll. double standard or what....ah nvm. i dont own a 70k car that has publicity crisis, lol
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i choose Preve over listed cars coz PREVE got 4 airbags,multilink suspension, CFE and rear disc brake

full stop

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QUOTE(Area51SE @ May 1 2012, 12:11 PM)
FYI, I own a Myvi and also Booked a Preve. So yea, I'm not not a P1 nor P2 supporter / basher, Just telling what I feel
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personally i do think the car is acceptable after test drive

not a perfect car but the chassis design is much better than any cars in the price range
forget bout the broken wheel incident which din happen to me YET
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For reference only ..

http://www.motortrader.com.my/Cars/NewsHea...s-in-March.aspx


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Watch this.... Preve vs Vios

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViG_UclhVcU
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go for 2nd hand forte 2.0
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 18 2012, 04:37 PM)
Toyota USB slot missing - 2 pages very polite discussion
Proton USB cannot read pendrive - curse ancestor 18 generation.
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I am surprised why nobody bash city and vios e spec. E and j spec doesn't make much different too what.
Performance, comfort go for preve
Second hand car value go for dugong
As easy as that, why 11 pages? Lol
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 1 2012, 11:50 AM)
wahh work so hard googling.. must be desperate perodua salesman

well myvi compete with others middle income n below like saga, VIVA, persona only... thats fact
whereas preve compete with civic, forte, altis,

fiif league,, diff level diff targeted customer

preve wont kacau ah soos budak sekolah myvi buyers...


Added on May 1, 2012, 11:55 am
Yes myvi n saga owners= childish n immature

so it is funny to hear preve to be compared with childish myvi
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I tot u are the 1st to post myvi with broken wheels when other forumer posted about the broken preve..proton fans love to compare most things with myvi..dunno whats so special about that city car..

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Vios award best structur welding on body and it's definitely better than proton any car
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lol, end of this thread now comparing myvi and preve' why so much talk about myvi? weird lor
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QUOTE(kcng @ Apr 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
vios...
u never go wrong with it...

good features...
excellent handling...
superb chassis...

and best of all, its a toyota... wont have problem at all...
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Yeah, like that Avanza thread where the handbrake knob broke. And it's a common problem. Toyota eh?

Vios is not worth it. Tin box compared to other B segment cars, IMHO. Peugeot 207 is a 206 in a fancy dress (and the original 206 is so much better looking!), so it's basically Toyota strategy. Extremely outdated car with a facelift. Wait for the 208 if you want a Peugeot.

Myvi... well, no. I don't think it is competition. Competing cars are much more expensive...

Let's wait for crash tests for the Preve, then we'll see if it is good or not.

(http://aseancap.org/index.php?pg=news&id=uitkto31eb Preve?)
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It is unfair to compare a RM70K++ Potong car with a RM70K++ imported car i.e Toyota and the like.

The price for imported cars have been hiked up close to a 100% of their original price and they have to compromise many features and specs just to compete with the local trash Potong.

RM70K++ for a piece of local junk is considered very expensive especially for the quality that they are providing.

Elsewhere in the world, RM70k++ can get you quality of a VW Golf and the like.
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RM70K Toyota car is imported?
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ May 9 2012, 06:30 PM)
RM70K Toyota car is imported?
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Do you know what imported car means?
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QUOTE(RayLaguna @ Apr 18 2012, 12:29 PM)
Now that we've discovered the Preve isn't so impressive owing to the factors below:
1) Unresponsive below 2k RPM
2) Loud engine noise
3) Interior quality

Is it still worth the price of RM73k as compared to Peugeot 207 and Vios J Spec?

Or is it better to squeeze my wallet for every drop of blood to get a proven big CC car - Inspira or Forte?

Or just screw anything above RM70k and get the dreaded MyVi?
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Forte 1.6sx beats everything you listed in the poll there.best price : features. As for preve, only if you trusted proton only gofor it.
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QUOTE(ron c @ May 9 2012, 08:54 PM)
Do you know what imported car means?
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Not build/assemble in Malaysia, I guess?
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ May 9 2012, 09:00 PM)
Not build/assemble in Malaysia, I guess?
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Any foreign car is an imported car, regardless of it being CKD or CBU.



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QUOTE(megat89 @ May 1 2012, 08:41 PM)
I tot u are the 1st to post myvi with broken wheels when other forumer posted about the broken preve..proton fans love to compare most things with myvi..dunno whats so special about that city car..
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No laa.. Preve broken whell come out firstnornally proton haters just inly myvi fanboy whi cant afford jdm n believe they are driving jdm
Hahaha
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QUOTE(ron c @ May 9 2012, 05:53 PM)
It is unfair to compare a RM70K++ Potong car with a RM70K++ imported car i.e Toyota and the like.

The price for imported cars have been hiked up close to a 100% of their original price and they have to compromise many features and specs just to compete with the local trash Potong.

RM70K++ for a piece of local junk is considered very expensive especially for the quality that they are providing.

Elsewhere in the world, RM70k++ can get you quality of a VW Golf and the like.
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dude, vios is ckd'ed in malaysia, so it will only get imposed extra 10% tax only compared to proton, total tax for proton car is 85% & vios is 95%http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm, and yet these empty can toyota price so high here, get your fact right before u type
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 9 2012, 09:08 PM)
No laa.. Preve broken whell come out firstnornally proton haters just inly myvi fanboy whi cant afford jdm n believe they are driving jdm
Hahaha
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i do believe.. TS just another perodua salesman or fanboy...
suddenly got myvi 1.5 dlm poll..


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QUOTE(h4dRi @ May 9 2012, 09:09 PM)
dude, vios is ckd'ed in malaysia, so it will only get imposed extra 10% tax only compared to proton, total tax for proton car is 85% & vios is 95%http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm, and yet these empty can toyota price so high here, get your fact right before u type
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Hello fren, Potong is a local car. Why should it be subjected to those taxes in the table http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm
Under Local Taxes CBU and CKD, Potong is not subject to these taxes.
If a Vios is taxed only 10% more than a Potong, the latter would have gone into administration a long time ago.
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QUOTE(ron c @ May 9 2012, 09:36 PM)
Hello fren, Potong is a local car. Why should it be subjected to those taxes in the table http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm
Under Local Taxes CBU and CKD, Potong is not subject to these taxes.
If a Vios is taxed only 10% more than a Potong, the latter would have gone into administration a long time ago.
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Potong is subjected to the same excise duty and sales tax like vios. Vios is subjected to an additional 10% import duty.

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At 70k above price..others. Non local car like forte n peugeot can give better spec like 6 airbag .. But toyota got 1 airbag .. Both got tax..
So who to blame?
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QUOTE(dares @ May 9 2012, 09:42 PM)
Potong is subjected to the same excise duty and sales tax like vios. Vios is subjected to an additional 10% import duty.
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Thanks for clarifying.
Anyhow, to me, Potong doesn't exist because it is a combination of "bought" technology tweaked a lil' here and there and claiming it as their own. I will not even consider it if I am getting a new car.
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 9 2012, 09:49 PM)
At 70k above price..others. Non local car like forte n peugeot can give better spec like 6 airbag .. But toyota got 1 airbag .. Both got tax..
So who to blame?
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Wrongly quote Tim...Sorry.

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QUOTE(ron c @ May 9 2012, 09:54 PM)
Thanks for clarifying.
Anyhow, to me, Potong doesn't exist because it is a combination of "bought" technology tweaked a lil' here and there and claiming it as their own. I will not even consider it if I am getting a new car.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 9 2012, 09:42 PM)
Potong is subjected to the same excise duty and sales tax like vios. Vios is subjected to an additional 10% import duty.
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R u sure ah?
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u shd buy ford.. henry ford invented combusion engine.. other manufacture borrow his technology
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I dont like preve coz they copy auto start button tech from forte..
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 9 2012, 10:13 PM)
I dont like preve coz they copy auto start button tech from forte..
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Bro preve is ok....

My inspira lagi worse.... Photocopy-.-" sad.gif like how many percent?

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QUOTE(ron c @ May 9 2012, 09:54 PM)
Thanks for clarifying.
Anyhow, to me, Potong doesn't exist because it is a combination of "bought" technology tweaked a lil' here and there and claiming it as their own. I will not even consider it if I am getting a new car.
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QUOTE(ron c @ May 9 2012, 09:54 PM)
Thanks for clarifying.
Anyhow, to me, Potong doesn't exist because it is a combination of "bought" technology tweaked a lil' here and there and claiming it as their own. I will not even consider it if I am getting a new car.
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Well, you guys can laugh all you want but deep down we all know what "bought" technology is and we all know how original Potongs are.
G'day mates. All the best with your Potongs.
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QUOTE(alan1123 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:16 PM)
Why not change the forte to 1.6sx? 

i think for 85k, it will get more vote than other

proton is a proton forever, proton wira also proton, no one care and if you ask some old aunty and uncle, they still look down on you say you ''just buy proton only''

it is like never gonna go out this country

preve is nothing good except for the fuel consumption

what do you needs for a turbo engine in street like KL or Penang?  and if in highway, you get some ticket to PDRM

Give me 3.0 turbo v12 also i say thanks you and don want , better get a prius c instead or fiesta

more power no use at all with the traffic jam like shit
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 18 2012, 06:10 PM)
Yalor....

U buy a Proton, all yoru friends will ask "Why buy proton? Why didnt buy T/H/N??"

U buy a Toyota, no one will ask you why u didnt buy a Proton instead  laugh.gif
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Toyota Vios being use as taxis in Indonesia. So not a big deal buying Vios ( toyota's cheapest shit )

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ppl wont ask u question when u buy REAL TOYOTA ( Alphard, Camry)

but ppl will ask u why buy TOYOTA 2nd class ASEAN made (VIOS, AVANZA< UNSER) instead of PREVE...

hahaha
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QUOTE(BuFung @ May 9 2012, 10:01 PM)
R u sure ah?
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ya lor, i also wonder.. if vios tax is only 10% extra, why langkawi price for vios drop 20k vs only 3k for preve..? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ May 11 2012, 06:12 AM)
ya lor, i also wonder.. if vios tax is only 10% extra, why langkawi price for vios drop 20k vs only 3k for preve..? hmm.gif
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or maybe you shoud think this way
others non local cars ,ford, Korean (less than 100K) also got tax yet can give better spec n features 6 airbags etc

VIOS (less than 100k) got tax.. give what?? 1 airbags??
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haishhh, still people dont understand how tax sytems work. Under afta, any asean car is subjected to excise duty aka local taxes regardless local made, locally assemble or even cbu using atleast 40% of local components(local components means asean made components).

Under customs act, for excise duty, they used 2 diff terms, but same rate, that is import excise duty, n local excise duty. U need to download n read on excise duty under customs act n under the documentation, it shows how to calculate tax on import product n tax for local product.

Prtn is local product, so, under customs acts, it deems to excise duty even selling at malaysian free trade area coz it is not an import product. It is local. U shud read also under free trade area under customs act.

If other cars being imposed exice duty not as local means malaysia is not abide to afta rules n its been rule out since 2009, malaysia already following afta rules means any asean made has the same tax brackets as local one, meaning no tax barrier. N malaysia has been prnalised by thais because not abide to afta by thais gov, n people think that malaysia g has to pay money for it, but it is not. Actually the punishment is that prtn being tax 20% more on local tax in thai compare to toyota, honda n etc that is asean made.

Lazy to give link coz so many times people being giving out links n people still being ignorance. The table in maa is just tables to simplify things. If want to know more, read on customs act which available in customs website.
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proton is a scapegoat, gomen is the culprit biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 11 2012, 07:12 AM)
or maybe you shoud think this way
others non local cars ,ford, Korean (less than 100K) also got tax yet can give better spec n features 6 airbags etc

VIOS (less than 100k) got tax.. give what?? 1 airbags??
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I thought vios have 2 airbags?

ps : Pls note "1" is singular, therefore its "1 airbag" instead of "1 airbags"
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QUOTE(MeToo @ May 11 2012, 11:57 AM)
I thought vios have 2 airbags?

ps : Pls note "1" is singular, therefore its "1 airbag" instead of "1 airbags"
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Vios got only 2 airbags... Non local car can give 6 airbags.. Even local car preve can give 4 airbags..
So .. Blame tax causing vios cant provide more than 2 airbags?? Btw vios j spec give u 1 airbagsssss
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QUOTE(Az prevay @ May 11 2012, 12:02 PM)
Vios got only 2 airbags... Non local car can give 6 airbags.. Even local car preve can give 4 airbags..
So .. Blame tax causing vios cant provide more than 2 airbags?? Btw vios j spec give u 1 airbagsssss
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ps : I believe those that do not exercise their right to vote, does not have the right so say a single word against the govt. They deserve what they get.
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Malaysia car got 65% tax okay.
Toyota I am no sure.
Go and google it thx.
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QUOTE(Ah hao @ Apr 18 2012, 02:43 PM)
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ya lor, i also wonder.. if vios tax is only 10% extra, why langkawi price for vios drop 20k vs only 3k for preve..? hmm.gif
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Simple. They want people to think it's so expensive because of tax. smile.gif When the tax rates were lowered they didn't give the saved money to the customers, but kept it to themselves.

@Az prevay:
I disagree. If you buy a Camry I ask why Camry? Competitors are much more interesting. Better, safer, faster cars. Camry is ASEAN spec. If you buy Alphard I ask why Alphard, you can only get a second hand one. Buy a VW Sharan instead, or buy a commercial van and modify it into a luxury vehicle.

The Prius is ok though. The price is somewhat fair, the specs are good. After all it is JDM.

I think the Vios has 2 airbags now because they are forced to. Not allowed to sell with only 1...

Toyota has 65% tax for cars (fully?) made in the ASEAN countries, like the Vios. If it is CKD in Malaysia, then 75%. The CBU ones, like Alphard, Wish (?) are 105% IIRC. Prius is 0% (?) because it is a hybrid.

Btw. I think it is a good move to subsidize hybrids and electric vehicles, but what about enforcing high standards in terms of clean cars? Make sure all cars have catalytic converters, test the cars and tax them accordingly. Those with a real stinker get some sort of support when they scrap their old stinker and buy a very clean car. The air in Malaysia just isn't as good as it is in Europe for example, and I believe it has a lot to do with the cars they drive, which in turn is steered by such policies.
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what?? u r comparing preve wit vios j..pgt 207?? myvii??! srrioussly.....u r so demn funny...fonzy...
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QUOTE(amercortezz @ May 14 2012, 01:04 AM)
what?? u r comparing preve wit vios j..pgt 207?? myvii??! srrioussly.....u r so demn funny...fonzy...
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True. Vios is no competition. Outdated B segment deathtrap car. 207... it's not a 207, it's a 206. From 14 years ago. Also B segment. Myvi... again B segment, again no proper competition. The main competitor is the Forte, as both are budget C segment cars. Other competitors would be Altis, Civic, Focus, Golf/Jetta, ...

I'm curious how the first reviews from Europe etc. will be.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 14 2012, 12:36 AM)
Simple. They want people to think it's so expensive because of tax. smile.gif When the tax rates were lowered they didn't give the saved money to the customers, but kept it to themselves.

@Az prevay:
I disagree. If you buy a Camry I ask why Camry? Competitors are much more interesting. Better, safer, faster cars. Camry is ASEAN spec. If you buy Alphard I ask why Alphard, you can only get a second hand one. Buy a VW Sharan instead, or buy a commercial van and modify it into a luxury vehicle.

The Prius is ok though. The price is somewhat fair, the specs are good. After all it is JDM.

I think the Vios has 2 airbags now because they are forced to. Not allowed to sell with only 1...

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no such thing..

my in law has a vios j. it comes with driver side airbag only. he got it 72k (mt). i double chevk at toyota website. confirm single airbag.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 14 2012, 12:36 AM)
Simple. They want people to think it's so expensive because of tax. smile.gif When the tax rates were lowered they didn't give the saved money to the customers, but kept it to themselves.

@Az prevay:
I disagree. If you buy a Camry I ask why Camry? Competitors are much more interesting. Better, safer, faster cars. Camry is ASEAN spec. If you buy Alphard I ask why Alphard, you can only get a second hand one. Buy a VW Sharan instead, or buy a commercial van and modify it into a luxury vehicle.

The Prius is ok though. The price is somewhat fair, the specs are good. After all it is JDM.

I think the Vios has 2 airbags now because they are forced to. Not allowed to sell with only 1...

Toyota has 65% tax for cars (fully?) made in the ASEAN countries, like the Vios. If it is CKD in Malaysia, then 75%. The CBU ones, like Alphard, Wish (?) are 105% IIRC. Prius is 0% (?) because it is a hybrid.

Btw. I think it is a good move to subsidize hybrids and electric vehicles, but what about enforcing high standards in terms of clean cars? Make sure all cars have catalytic converters, test the cars and tax them accordingly. Those with a real stinker get some sort of support when they scrap their old stinker and buy a very clean car. The air in Malaysia just isn't as good as it is in Europe for example, and I believe it has a lot to do with the cars they drive, which in turn is steered by such policies.
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no, u got me wrong.. someone said vios is taxed 10% more compare to local brand car, so i wonder y langkawi price dropped such figure, no 10% IMO.. and for Prius, dun think it is 100% tax exemption..

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ May 14 2012, 06:45 AM)
no, u got me wrong.. someone said vios is taxed 10% more compare to local brand car, so i wonder y langkawi price dropped such figure, no 10% IMO.. and for Prius, dun think it is 100% tax exemption..
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You'll be suprise vios price at dock. It is much lower than what in Langkawi. Even drop 20k, they still untung like crazy.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 14 2012, 04:10 AM)
no such thing..

my in law has a vios j. it comes with driver side airbag only. he got it 72k (mt). i double chevk at toyota website. confirm single airbag.
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http://paultan.org/2011/07/26/airbags-a-mu...-by-jan-1-2012/

Maybe Toyota is trying to stretch it... cause they are unable to offer the car with 2 airbags! (hmm... in other countries it comes with 6...). Maybe offer the responsible guy a Camry or too so they can make more profit a little longer.

The Vios shouldn't be taxed more than local brand, because it is ASEAN made AFAIK, and they have a trade agreement which forbids such behavior. As to why in certain regions it is cheaper or more expensive than in others... they try to squeeze as much money out of the customers as they can. Which is what every company will and should do. It is up to the consumer to accept it or not.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 15 2012, 12:32 AM)
http://paultan.org/2011/07/26/airbags-a-mu...-by-jan-1-2012/

Maybe Toyota is trying to stretch it... cause they are unable to offer the car with 2 airbags! (hmm... in other countries it comes with 6...). Maybe offer the responsible guy a Camry or too so they can make more profit a little longer.

The Vios shouldn't be taxed more than local brand, because it is ASEAN made AFAIK, and they have a trade agreement which forbids such behavior. As to why in certain regions it is cheaper or more expensive than in others... they try to squeeze as much money out of the customers as they can. Which is what every company will and should do. It is up to the consumer to accept it or not.
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proton still selling their saga without airbag..
i believe viva also
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 15 2012, 12:36 AM)
proton still selling their saga without airbag..
i believe viva also
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Saga has airbag but at driver side only. Look at the link below.
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/Experience/M...gSpecs-(1).aspx

Viva memang tak ada airbag, ada seat belt tensioner
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Saga has airbag but at driver side only. Look at the link below.
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/Experience/M...gSpecs-(1).aspx

Viva memang tak ada airbag, ada seat belt tensioner
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im talking about the no airbag version obviously ..

Saga Spec No Air Bag

and yet .. viva does have AIRBAG too .. (obviously im talking about the NO AIR BAG version)

Viva Elite EZi Dual Air Bag

Im trying to says .. G insist all car should have airbag.. but they still selling without airbag one ..

btw, the saga executive actually comes with dual airbag .. not just driver side... (my fren have one .. colleague .. lunch time we car pool with it one)
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ May 15 2012, 03:45 PM)
im talking about the no airbag version obviously ..

Saga Spec No Air Bag

and yet .. viva does have AIRBAG too .. (obviously im talking about the NO AIR BAG version)

Viva Elite EZi Dual Air Bag

Im trying to says .. G insist all car should have airbag.. but they still selling without airbag one ..

btw, the saga executive actually comes with dual airbag .. not just driver side... (my fren have one .. colleague .. lunch time we car pool with it one)
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All this comes down to enforcement from government and on manufacturer whether want to provide air bag or not. In other countries, air bag is standard but sadly in this country, human lives are less important than cost for car manufacturer. It should be standard in all car segments, both local and foreign made.
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how bout the pug207? is it good? the price for a conti car was quite with worth.. and the spec are quite worth for the price.. other than the space...
any recommendation bout this car? i am interested in this car.. any 207 driver would give me some advice?
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QUOTE(nicgoh @ May 18 2012, 09:35 PM)
how bout the pug207? is it good? the price for a conti car was quite with worth.. and the spec are quite worth for the price.. other than the space...
any recommendation bout this car? i am interested in this car.. any 207 driver would give me some advice?
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this morning I went to Alamanda Putrjaya where few cars on display at the mall center. I went to see the Preve and then saw Pug207. So many people looking at the Preve while almost no one bother at the Pug. Very sad indeed. I went to the Pug, look inside at sit on the driver's side. With the price tag slightly higher than the Preve, really not worth it unless the 5 years unlimited mileage fancy you. I tell you, better off with Vios if you insist on getting non-local brand cos I can't live with the look shakehead.gif if the dugong is fugly, 207 is double fugly.. lol Didn't check the spec list but I believe, as other el cheapo conti, should be generous compare with kosong Japanese milo tin.

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QUOTE(nicgoh @ May 18 2012, 10:35 PM)
how bout the pug207? is it good? the price for a conti car was quite with worth.. and the spec are quite worth for the price.. other than the space...
any recommendation bout this car? i am interested in this car.. any 207 driver would give me some advice?
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QUOTE(nicgoh @ May 18 2012, 09:35 PM)
how bout the pug207? is it good? the price for a conti car was quite with worth.. and the spec are quite worth for the price.. other than the space...
any recommendation bout this car? i am interested in this car.. any 207 driver would give me some advice?
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The 207 in Malaysia (!) is a facelifted 206 (and not for the better). So yeah, tech is probably reliable by now, but it's a car that was introduced in the late 90s. I'd give it a pass. Be aware of this when you read reviews, the 207 most other countries (especially in Europe) get is a totally different car.

http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/peug...-206-gti-06.jpg This is the real 206... I like it. Also frequently modified, and those (often) also look good. They should have simply continued selling it, if they don't want to introduce the new model.

The Kia Forte only has 2 airbags unless you go for the 2.0! The 2.0 has 6 airbags, and probably that's the one they have tested. So for frontal airbags the rating is probably still true, but side impacts... nope.
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guys.. thx for giving so many opinions.. truly appreciate it.. will reconsider another car... thx!
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Most of my friend who bought forte before want to sell their car and the reason is to buy preve

So what is this signal
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Preve >> Inspira >> Forte >> All >> Vios Dugong?
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Most of my friend who bought forte before want to sell their car and the reason is to buy preve

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means your fren are not make financial sense and they are stupid enough to keep buying rm70k-80k range car and forever in car debt. their forte is less than 2 years old? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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i drive 207...i think its worth it ...nice to be different than the H and T worshippers
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means your fren are not make financial sense and they are stupid enough to keep buying rm70k-80k range car and forever in car debt. their forte is less than 2 years old?  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Maybe forte is crap car
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I just test drove Preve CFE from my perspective:

Pros
1) Paddle shift changes relatively short and fast compare with City and Forte both have paddle shift, Preve more faster
2) Roomy cabin suitable for 178cm height
3) The interior material cabin is soft not plasticky
4) The suspension is soft so it's good absorbing vibration such as hitting potholes
5) Boot or trunk is spacious even can fit in 3 adults and 1 child in one time for rough measurement
6) Front view seem compact even the car is big so it gives more confidence to drive

Cons
1) Steering control is light (for my preferences I want more heavy steering control)
2) Eyes strain for the front interior and outdated design
3) The touchscreen audio system look kind a cheap and relatively small
4) Engine quite noisy for a new car
5) Side mirrors are small so the rear view is not fully covered.

Other perspective : 1)Full tank is RM90 can cover up 550km (50% city and 50% highway).
2) For Proton standard Preve it is vastly improvement compare with previous cars( Gen2, Wira and Waja)

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Most of my friend who bought forte before want to sell their car and the reason is to buy preve

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Sell forte to buy preve?? already???
If not, please ask them to sell it quick!
With their way of thinking, prove that they are not match to drive forte................preve suits them better..........
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maybe their forte is 1.6? laugh.gif
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Got my Proton Preve 1.6(M) IAFM+ 3 weeks ago. Travelled to Alor Setar and back to Ampang. Experienced KL highways and drivers, traffic jams, heavy rains, extremely hot days... I am quite happy with it, and so does my pregnant wife (she loves rally driving).

Previously I tested Forte, Vios, PriusC, City, Civic, MyV. I can vouch for Proton Preve, it feels better than the ones I mentioned above. I will not condemn these cars, as they are worthy to others as well.

Proton Preve driving and handling beats the rest. I would dare say that it is better and more comfortable than Honda Civic. Can carry 3 big guys at the back, no problem.

I believe Proton Preve (at least mine is) is a fuel economic car. Fill up the tank, drove back from KLCC to Ampang, then packs things up, drove to Alor Setar, go around Alor Setar. Second day in Alor Setar, I fill up the tank again, only paying RM65. That is quite good. Came back to Ampang, and my car is ready for its first 1000KM service.

Then only issue I have were:
1. Brake sounded like helicopter, but dissappear while on my way back to Alor Setar (1st day).
2. Steering was a bit to the right side, immediately rectified when I sent for the first service.

Other than those 2, alhamdulillah, I have no other issue with My Preve.

The braking is good. Had to put pedal to the floor on one occasion on AKLEH at 100kmH.

The player can play CD, MP3, have USB connecter for thumbdrive and AUX connector for iPOD as well. Can play MP3 over Bluetooth from phones. Also, can call/answer phone calls.

The soft plastic feels good when you put your arm to rest while driving. It feels better than fabric put by other car makers.

Got stabilizer bar, sound proofing is quite good. No intruding wind sound. Got free GPS unit, free YES portable wifi modem. Proton even pay RM60 per months, for the next 12 months. Plus the car is 5 years warranty.

Driver windows Anti Trap Power Windows. All power windows comes with 10 years warranty.

Nowadays I can say some other manufacturer cars as tin milo car, but not Proton Preve. The body is strong. The seat fabric is water resistance. The boot is huge. 16" rim with GT Radial tyre.

The remote key feels heavy, almost identical to VW ones. Got three buttons on it, one to lock, one to unlock (press long enough to open boot) and another one for sound alarm.

Mine comes with 2 airbags, ABS and EBD. CFE version got 4 airbags (2 front, 2 sides), ESC, TC and BA.

I bought it for only RM59500. In 5 years can finish pay. Maintenance is on every 10,000KM if use fully synthetic oil.

So, I truly recommends a Preve. It is good car, economical and affordable. Please don't compare it with the other cars that cost 4 times it's price. Those are on a different level. But Proton is getting there starting with Proton Preve.


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